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Thread: The Big SPOT Theory (a unique idea behind the old age question... What happened before the Big Bang

  1. #1 The Big SPOT Theory (a unique idea behind the old age question... What happened before the Big Bang 
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    I have my own "silly" idea of how the Big Bang started and that is why I am using this forum, SO YOU CAN HELP ME DISPROVE IT. So, perhaps our universe is like a new spot. A zit that appears on a 14yr old boys face one morning. It wasn't there yesterday but its definitely there today. Using this analogy, perhaps the bacteria and the spot can be considered to have existed before The Big Bang and our universe it what is left on the mirror in the bathroom, after being squeezed into existence. My quest for knowledge continues... However I would love to hear your thought on my "silly" idea. One thing I do know is the answers to the universe and everything is not 42. So long a nd thanks for all the fish!


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    Please elaborate because I have no time for Trolls
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    *shakes head and walks away from stupid*

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    This is certainly not astronomy or cosmology. I'll move it to new hypothesis and ideas. That's being extremely generous. It isn't science, and doesn't resemble science in any way.
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    I think you're saying that the universe before the cosmic background stuff was a bunch of things that were in a stable state, and then something came along and made it unstable, right?

    But how would we explain the expansion then?
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    I only use the bathroom mirror terminology in a bid for others to understand my idea. What happened before the big bang. I am trying to disprove my own idea which is, could it be that our existence was the product of an explosion (The Big Bang) spurned on from a different dimension? And could this have held "The Everything" that the big bang created? Its a silly idea but I need people like you to tell my why it is dumb. Which I don't mind. By asking this, I think I will get directions to the answer of what happened before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne Honymous View Post
    Its a silly idea but I need people like you to tell my why it is dumb.
    Because you cannot test it.

    The reason current models only go back to shortly after the "Big Bang Event" is because we cannot make observations of or tests of a structure that existed before the properties of the Universe that make the physics that we know today were established.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne Honymous View Post
    I only use the bathroom mirror terminology in a bid for others to understand my idea. What happened before the big bang. I am trying to disprove my own idea which is, could it be that our existence was the product of an explosion (The Big Bang) spurned on from a different dimension? And could this have held "The Everything" that the big bang created? Its a silly idea but I need people like you to tell my why it is dumb. Which I don't mind. By asking this, I think I will get directions to the answer of what happened before...

    It could also be possible that Alien Ted created the Universe because he blew up his apartment whilst trying to make beer in his basement.

    If I were to ask you to tell me why this idea is silly, your answer should be the same as mine.
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    I don't think that the big bang is thought of as an explosion anymore. I think the name is just a relic of the original idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anne Honymous View Post
    I only use the bathroom mirror terminology in a bid for others to understand my idea. What happened before the big bang. I am trying to disprove my own idea which is, could it be that our existence was the product of an explosion (The Big Bang) spurned on from a different dimension? And could this have held "The Everything" that the big bang created? Its a silly idea but I need people like you to tell my why it is dumb. Which I don't mind. By asking this, I think I will get directions to the answer of what happened before...

    It could also be possible that Alien Ted created the Universe because he blew up his apartment whilst trying to make beer in his basement.

    If I were to ask you to tell me why this idea is silly, your answer should be the same as mine.
    Turn about's fair play.

    I will point out that in each scenario, "something existed" prior to the Big Bang Event.
    This is also perfectly possible for the Universe, as well. It is not a case of 'something coming from nothing' as the opponents like to claim but rather a case of "unknown."
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    What if we think about the origin of the universe like the origin of a living thing?

    Before there was my cat, there was nothing that could be said to be my cat. One day something happened which caused my cat to appear to come out of nothing, and he grew really fast at first... and that's pretty much where the analogy ends.
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    You mean a convergence of base materials?

    In the case of the Universe, it doesn't appear as much a convergence as an emergence.
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    What you have is an analogy, not a hypothesis. If it were a hypothesis, then you could find some way of testing it, of proving it false, which you haven't done.

    Analogies can be useful sometimes if there really is a valid comparison between two processes. For example, if we don't understand electrical circuits, but we do understand an oscillating mass on a spring, then we can use our understanding of the mechanical system to help understand the electrical system. This is only possible, because the equations describing the two systems are very similar.

    Sometimes people get the idea that electrons orbiting a nucleus would be like planets orbiting the sun. As it happens, this analogy is pretty useless. We use quantum mechanics for the atom and Newton's or Einstein's theory to describe the planetary motions. They aren't very similar at all.

    Now how would we use a pimple to understand the universe? If we know how a pimple develops, which I don't really know any details of, then it probably involves human skin, the circulatory system, white blood cells, oil in the skin, and so forth. How could this understanding of pimples help us understand the origin of the universe? No, this analogy isn't going to lead us anywhere.
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    I knew the universe was just an unsightly pimple on the face of some pubescent deity.
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    Well, I was kind of supposing that we don't have any evidence of convergence, because we are inside the universe. I mean, it's an analogy, so I don't want to stretch it too far, but with the sample size of one cat, with no knowledge of the parent cats, or sperm or egg, all we see is the emergence of a cat (pretend we are a bacterium inside the cat or something).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne Honymous View Post
    I have my own "silly" idea of how the Big Bang started and that is why I am using this forum, SO YOU CAN HELP ME DISPROVE IT.
    How do you imagine it could ever be possible to disprove such an idea?

    If the idea isn't falsifiable, then it just isn't science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    How do you imagine it could ever be possible to disprove such an idea?

    If the idea isn't falsifiable, then it just isn't science.
    While you're at it, may as well disprove God, too, right?

    But some people often want the errors shown in their thinking; The error here is in the lack of observational evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne Honymous View Post
    I have my own "silly" idea of how the Big Bang started and that is why I am using this forum, SO YOU CAN HELP ME DISPROVE IT. So, perhaps our universe is like a new spot. A zit that appears on a 14yr old boys face one morning. It wasn't there yesterday but its definitely there today. Using this analogy, perhaps the bacteria and the spot can be considered to have existed before The Big Bang and our universe it what is left on the mirror in the bathroom, after being squeezed into existence. My quest for knowledge continues... However I would love to hear your thought on my "silly" idea. One thing I do know is the answers to the universe and everything is not 42.
    Actually, we do not know that 42 is not the answer to the universe and everything. One cannot provide a proof. If you disagree, please provide it.

    While you're at it, prove that we are not all living in the Matrix, created by our invisible pink unicorn overlords for their amusement.
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    Touche
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