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    Hi, I had been apart of this site several years ago, and as my username suggests I am schizophrenic. I felt I needed to clear my shame in way. I had posted many ideas that were more akin to being a crackpot, so now I am on medication and doing much better, but I understand now were I erred before and ,not that it really matters, felt I should address that.


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    That is a pretty brave admission. Hope you manage to keep on top of things. Good luck!


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    There's no shame in being schizophrenic my friend. We are what we are.

    You might enjoy this - a different perspective on mental health.
    "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh" Nietzsche.
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    3 out of 4 people have some kind of mental health problems so do not ever feel alone. Good to have you back and stay on the medications, they are very helpful for I'm on a few myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizo View Post
    Hi, I had been apart of this site several years ago, and as my username suggests I am schizophrenic. I felt I needed to clear my shame in way. I had posted many ideas that were more akin to being a crackpot, so now I am on medication and doing much better, but I understand now were I erred before and ,not that it really matters, felt I should address that.
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    It takes much courage to come back and publicly admit one's own shortcomings. Kudos to you for that !
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    It must not have been too bad. You didn't get banned.
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    Harold14370 No, it wasn't aggressive just embarrassing.... = )
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    3 out of 4 people have some kind of mental health problems so do not ever feel alone. Good to have you back and stay on the medications, they are very helpful for I'm on a few myself.
    3 out of 4?
    75% of us are loony?

    yeh, ok, so
    loony is the new "normal"
    screw the 25% who are outsiders and just damned weird!

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    3 out of 4 people have some kind of mental health problems so do not ever feel alone. Good to have you back and stay on the medications, they are very helpful for I'm on a few myself.
    3 out of 4?
    75% of us are loony?

    yeh, ok, so
    loony is the new "normal"
    screw the 25% who are outsiders and just damned weird!

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    Sculptor - referring to the mentally ill, in a manner, which is not meant as humorous and more as a derogatory statement is distasteful. I feel that cosmictraveler was, as he stated, referring to mental "health" conditions, such as O.C.D., which are often too mild to be noted by people in contact with the person who suffers from it. I am schizophrenic, my mental illness was and is a severe condition which has caused a great deal of suffering in my life. However to say that I am a loon would be dated. I am a person who can be moved by the greats of time, someone who loves walking his little dog in the park while the grey's of some days pass overhead, and live for the beauty which life, it seems, offers only to those afflicted by mental illness. I tell you, I have seen things which waken the mind if only for the shear beauty of what I beheld. No sir I am not a loon, I am a human who has suffered and been given a chance to see things which may not be seen by the everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizo View Post
    Hi, I had been apart of this site several years ago, and as my username suggests I am schizophrenic. I felt I needed to clear my shame in way. I had posted many ideas that were more akin to being a crackpot, so now I am on medication and doing much better, but I understand now were I erred before and ,not that it really matters, felt I should address that.


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    No offense intended!
    I have been through some rough times too, I have dreamed what I should not have seen, and seen what I should have dreamt, and, whatever it is that normal is, is something I'll never dream again. I have dreamed realistic fantasies, and seen fantastic realities and, choosing the former, confused the people before me, then confused myself when they could not comprehend the chosen reality of my dreams.
    If ever I saw what i dreamed, or dreamed what I saw, the delineations and demarcations faded into smudged vagaries of confusion long long ago.

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    Speech does not convey the spirit.
    Swayed by words, one is lost;
    Blocked by phrases, one is belwildered.
    Just last night, I dreamed that i stayed up past 2 am trying to solve a problem that was not mine to solve. Worried that I would not get enough sleep, I awoke.
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    Sculptor- very interesting.... indeed. = ) I like the way you put that, about seeing what you should have dreamed etc. I too feel life has been like that, I want my dreams to be more than they are and when I am awake I see a world that I perceive as a dream. I really didn't take offense to what you had said, I was just being funny in my own little way and it let me be a little poetic... = ) So I take it you are in the arts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizo View Post
    Sculptor- very interesting.... indeed. = ) I like the way you put that, about seeing what you should have dreamed etc. I too feel life has been like that, I want my dreams to be more than they are and when I am awake I see a world that I perceive as a dream. I really didn't take offense to what you had said, I was just being funny in my own little way and it let me be a little poetic... = ) So I take it you are in the arts?
    Schiz, I gotta tell you, harsh as it may be, distasteful, yes, but life "dishes it out" sometimes, and the cure is to force yourself to "get over it". As a newly-married young man, my wife and I witnessed a murder-suicide, her parents. I realized then, when confronted with absolutely overwhelming emotional stress, one must become made of steel, mentally, to get through it. jocular
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    sculptor- very interesting.... Indeed. = ) i like the way you put that, about seeing what you should have dreamed etc. I too feel life has been like that, i want my dreams to be more than they are and when i am awake i see a world that i perceive as a dream. I really didn't take offense to what you had said, i was just being funny in my own little way and it let me be a little poetic... = ) so i take it you are in the arts?
    schiz, i gotta tell you, harsh as it may be, distasteful, yes, but life "dishes it out" sometimes, and the cure is to force yourself to "get over it". As a newly-married young man, my wife and i witnessed a murder-suicide, her parents. I realized then, when confronted with absolutely overwhelming emotional stress, one must become made of steel, mentally, to get through it. Jocular
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    Sculptor- very interesting.... indeed. = ) I like the way you put that, about seeing what you should have dreamed etc. I too feel life has been like that, I want my dreams to be more than they are and when I am awake I see a world that I perceive as a dream. I really didn't take offense to what you had said, I was just being funny in my own little way and it let me be a little poetic... = ) So I take it you are in the arts?
    Schiz, I gotta tell you, harsh as it may be, distasteful, yes, but life "dishes it out" sometimes, and the cure is to force yourself to "get over it". As a newly-married young man, my wife and I witnessed a murder-suicide, her parents. I realized then, when confronted with absolutely overwhelming emotional stress, one must become made of steel, mentally, to get through it. jocular
    Are you saying to get over Sculptor using the word loon? Also I am sorry to hear about the incident which you witnessed... but you should know that most people with mental illness are not like that, after spending many years involved with various programs and being exposed to varying degrees and types of mental illness, you realize that there is a stigma which surrounds mental disease, and that is they are all violent.. which is just not true. At my worst I still had compassion for things, and many with mental illness do.... much like anything there is a reality and a reality which is conjured in the minds of those who do not understand what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
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    3 out of 4 people have some kind of mental health problems so do not ever feel alone. Good to have you back and stay on the medications, they are very helpful for I'm on a few myself.
    3 out of 4?
    75% of us are loony?

    yeh, ok, so
    loony is the new "normal"
    screw the 25% who are outsiders and just damned weird!

    It is not the wind that moves, it is not the flag that moves; it is your mind that moves
    Speaking from a neurobiological perspective, it is no more surprising than the fact that nearly 100% of the population will experience at least one viral attack during their lifetimes, some of which will be fatal.

    It is, in fact, more startling that only 75% of the population will experience at least one psychological disruption or distress that can be considered "mental illness" (although the more i know, the more I object to the classification "mental illness", because when we know the neurobiological roots of the illness, how can we conscientiously continue to define it as "mental", and what does "mental" even mean in that context?) when the condition of having a mind is common to 100% of the population. Rather, I suspect that the remaining 25% is simply not being appropriately diagnosed or treated for their episodes of psychological disruption or distress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisslbody View Post
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    3 out of 4 people have some kind of mental health problems so do not ever feel alone. Good to have you back and stay on the medications, they are very helpful for I'm on a few myself.
    3 out of 4?
    75% of us are loony?

    yeh, ok, so
    loony is the new "normal"
    screw the 25% who are outsiders and just damned weird!

    It is not the wind that moves, it is not the flag that moves; it is your mind that moves
    Speaking from a neurobiological perspective, it is no more surprising than the fact that nearly 100% of the population will experience at least one viral attack during their lifetimes, some of which will be fatal.

    It is, in fact, more startling that only 75% of the population will experience at least one psychological disruption or distress that can be considered "mental illness" (although the more i know, the more I object to the classification "mental illness", because when we know the neurobiological roots of the illness, how can we conscientiously continue to define it as "mental", and what does "mental" even mean in that context?) when the condition of having a mind is common to 100% of the population. Rather, I suspect that the remaining 25% is simply not being appropriately diagnosed or treated for their episodes of psychological disruption or distress.
    I should like to know whether data exists indicating a connection between mental aberration and children growing to adulthood within a "dysfunctional family". My interest stems from my nephew's contention that he and his siblings are all aberrant in some way, due to the daily dysfunctional routines of their parents. jocular
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    Dang, just one attack....I've had at least 30....and counting
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    Schizo, I am pleased to hear the medication is working out well for you. Long may it continue.

    You say you were embarassed by some of the things you posted before. Don't worry about that. Some members post complete tripe and lack any excuse other than being fools - and that's quite a different situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    3 out of 4 people have some kind of mental health problems so do not ever feel alone. Good to have you back and stay on the medications, they are very helpful for I'm on a few myself.
    3 out of 4?
    75% of us are loony?

    yeh, ok, so
    loony is the new "normal"
    screw the 25% who are outsiders and just damned weird!

    It is not the wind that moves, it is not the flag that moves; it is your mind that moves
    Speaking from a neurobiological perspective, it is no more surprising than the fact that nearly 100% of the population will experience at least one viral attack during their lifetimes, some of which will be fatal.

    It is, in fact, more startling that only 75% of the population will experience at least one psychological disruption or distress that can be considered "mental illness" (although the more i know, the more I object to the classification "mental illness", because when we know the neurobiological roots of the illness, how can we conscientiously continue to define it as "mental", and what does "mental" even mean in that context?) when the condition of having a mind is common to 100% of the population. Rather, I suspect that the remaining 25% is simply not being appropriately diagnosed or treated for their episodes of psychological disruption or distress.
    I should like to know whether data exists indicating a connection between mental aberration and children growing to adulthood within a "dysfunctional family". My interest stems from my nephew's contention that he and his siblings are all aberrant in some way, due to the daily dysfunctional routines of their parents. jocular
    It really depends on what you mean by "mental aberration", because the answer is yes, for some issues, and no for others. Highly dysfunctional families typically place children under a lot of stress, and that usually includes economic stress and low social status. All of these are linked to higher rates of depression and various kinds of illness. Abuse is linked to the development of some personality disorders. However, there are other psychological disorders which seem to arise independently of family dysfunction and socioeconomic status, and are probably genetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisslbody View Post
    It really depends on what you mean by "mental aberration", because the answer is yes, for some issues, and no for others. Highly dysfunctional families typically place children under a lot of stress, and that usually includes economic stress and low social status. All of these are linked to higher rates of depression and various kinds of illness. Abuse is linked to the development of some personality disorders. However, there are other psychological disorders which seem to arise independently of family dysfunction and socioeconomic status, and are probably genetic.
    My sister had 5 children, the first-born a boy (D), when I was 5, she and her husband divorced shortly thereafter. Re-married several years later, bore another boy (M), and then the three girls followed beginning 8 years after that. D and I grew up together raised mainly by my mother while my sister worked; we were more like brothers than uncle and nephew, being 5 years apart in age. M became the intellectual, student of human behavior, obtaining two graduate degrees in Sociology. None of the three girls went beyond high school.

    Was this family dysfunctional, as M claims? Sister's husband (B) drove a tank truck, leaving the house daily at 4:00AM, returning, virtually every day, around 4:00PM, quite drunk. His weekends were spent inebriated, but never quite "over the edge". He was belligerent, argumentative, demanding, usually trying to hide the extent of drinking (always beer) by discarding cans in the basement. One Saturday, the girls counted 35 cans. Both parents smoked and drank heavily, though he quit smoking sometime in his 40s due to some health scare imposed by a doctor.

    The first two girls, only a year apart, grew quickly jealous of each other, a typical dinnertime scene often recounted having one of them screaming that the other had a bigger glass of milk. His reaction was, "Lois! Give that goddamned kid a big glass of milk! Shut them up, I've got to live with these neighbors!, bellowed loud enough for the entire neighborhood to hear. The big glasses of milk invariably were dumped in the sink. Dozens of similarly ridiculous, absurd situations come to my mind, they having been retold for decades. Often, when my sister and mother were together during the day, my sister would remark that "maybe today he'll drive that truck into a bridge abutment". In all those years, driving home drunk after work, the man never once got a DUI.

    B hated me intensely, though I never became aware of this until many years later, through the nephew M. Innumerable times I had helped them out, car repairs, home repairs, as a young adult, I installed a central A/C unit in their furnace for them. The man never once offered an unkind word to my face, but unbeknownst to me, he ordered the then young-adult children to absolutely have nothing to do with me, a condition he tried to enforce over all these years. I have not heard from any of the three girls in 20 years. The two nephews have remained close to me, a fact often brought up by their father in denouncing it to them.

    "Probably genetic". B had two relatives who were institutionally committed, one an aunt for her entire life.

    Was this a dysfunctional family? jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    It really depends on what you mean by "mental aberration", because the answer is yes, for some issues, and no for others. Highly dysfunctional families typically place children under a lot of stress, and that usually includes economic stress and low social status. All of these are linked to higher rates of depression and various kinds of illness. Abuse is linked to the development of some personality disorders. However, there are other psychological disorders which seem to arise independently of family dysfunction and socioeconomic status, and are probably genetic.
    My sister had 5 children, the first-born a boy (D), when I was 5, she and her husband divorced shortly thereafter. Re-married several years later, bore another boy (M), and then the three girls followed beginning 8 years after that. D and I grew up together raised mainly by my mother while my sister worked; we were more like brothers than uncle and nephew, being 5 years apart in age. M became the intellectual, student of human behavior, obtaining two graduate degrees in Sociology. None of the three girls went beyond high school.

    Was this family dysfunctional, as M claims? Sister's husband (B) drove a tank truck, leaving the house daily at 4:00AM, returning, virtually every day, around 4:00PM, quite drunk. His weekends were spent inebriated, but never quite "over the edge". He was belligerent, argumentative, demanding, usually trying to hide the extent of drinking (always beer) by discarding cans in the basement. One Saturday, the girls counted 35 cans. Both parents smoked and drank heavily, though he quit smoking sometime in his 40s due to some health scare imposed by a doctor.

    The first two girls, only a year apart, grew quickly jealous of each other, a typical dinnertime scene often recounted having one of them screaming that the other had a bigger glass of milk. His reaction was, "Lois! Give that goddamned kid a big glass of milk! Shut them up, I've got to live with these neighbors!, bellowed loud enough for the entire neighborhood to hear. The big glasses of milk invariably were dumped in the sink. Dozens of similarly ridiculous, absurd situations come to my mind, they having been retold for decades. Often, when my sister and mother were together during the day, my sister would remark that "maybe today he'll drive that truck into a bridge abutment". In all those years, driving home drunk after work, the man never once got a DUI.

    B hated me intensely, though I never became aware of this until many years later, through the nephew M. Innumerable times I had helped them out, car repairs, home repairs, as a young adult, I installed a central A/C unit in their furnace for them. The man never once offered an unkind word to my face, but unbeknownst to me, he ordered the then young-adult children to absolutely have nothing to do with me, a condition he tried to enforce over all these years. I have not heard from any of the three girls in 20 years. The two nephews have remained close to me, a fact often brought up by their father in denouncing it to them.

    "Probably genetic". B had two relatives who were institutionally committed, one an aunt for her entire life.

    Was this a dysfunctional family? jocular
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    They sound incredibly dysfunctional to me, yeah. But it's the Internet, so it's hard to say anything more than that. It's also important to remember that not very long ago, it was phenomenally easy to be get committed or lobotomized for practically nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisslbody View Post
    They sound incredibly dysfunctional to me, yeah. But it's the Internet, so it's hard to say anything more than that. It's also important to remember that not very long ago, it was phenomenally easy to be get committed or lobotomized for practically nothing.
    I have heard and read about these practices, I am for one not at all upset that I grew up in a world where advances have been made......... thank you science and humanitarian efforts.... = )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizo View Post
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    They sound incredibly dysfunctional to me, yeah. But it's the Internet, so it's hard to say anything more than that. It's also important to remember that not very long ago, it was phenomenally easy to be get committed or lobotomized for practically nothing.
    I have heard and read about these practices, I am for one not at all upset that I grew up in a world where advances have been made......... thank you science and humanitarian efforts.... = )
    Seriously! The horrors of what we have done before are required reading in psychology and medical research, so that we can understand why it's so important to always walk a path that leads away from there.

    And they are horrors. Psychology, as well as medicine, has a history that includes monstrous acts of evil, and I think it's important to recognize that so we can understand why there are populations and individuals who are suspicious of the motives of researchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisslbody View Post
    Seriously! The horrors of what we have done before are required reading in psychology and medical research, so that we can understand why it's so important to always walk a path that leads away from there.

    And they are horrors. Psychology, as well as medicine, has a history that includes monstrous acts of evil, and I think it's important to recognize that so we can understand why there are populations and individuals who are suspicious of the motives of researchers.
    One of the truly monstrous mistakes committed medically was the prescribing of thalidomide to pregnant women as though it were candy. Thousands upon thousands of babies were born world-wide with terrible birth defects. Those children as adults faced, and continue to face, the most difficult of times "fitting in" with a society which looks upon them with both horror and disdain. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Seriously! The horrors of what we have done before are required reading in psychology and medical research, so that we can understand why it's so important to always walk a path that leads away from there.

    And they are horrors. Psychology, as well as medicine, has a history that includes monstrous acts of evil, and I think it's important to recognize that so we can understand why there are populations and individuals who are suspicious of the motives of researchers.
    One of the truly monstrous mistakes committed medically was the prescribing of thalidomide to pregnant women as though it were candy. Thousands upon thousands of babies were born world-wide with terrible birth defects. Those children as adults faced, and continue to face, the most difficult of times "fitting in" with a society which looks upon them with both horror and disdain. jocular
    Which shows the ignorance of society, to blame a child for it's mothers ignorance.
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