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    Hello All,
    Recently I came across one paranormal investigator, Paul F Eno, who is considered to be "the smartest voice in the paranormal" today and is convinced that all paranormal phenomena is explained solely through the quantum multiverse, here is the talk show, he even speak that similar photographic in different rooms with some electromagnetic field are the evidence of multiverse, and that elecgtromagnetic force ties everything in the multiverse,here is his articles about it:

    THE MULTIVERSE SIMPLIFIED

    THE MULTIVERSE AND 2012

    From the "multiverse" viewpoint that I have seen so vividly manifest in my work with the paranormal over the decades, electromagnetic radiation is everything. It seems to hold the multiverse together, keeping it an open system, with free exchange of matter and energy between realities. It also seems to control access -- including that of our own consciousness and even our own bodies -- between one reality and another. When electromagnetic conditions are right, we see "ghosts" and they see us as "ghosts" across the membranes of various worlds. In the same way, I believe, we experience UFOs, cryptids, etc.
    This is the most "amazing":


    THE GOOD WORLD

    In other cases, I would encounter (and still do) a benign race of very tall humanoids who, unlike many other "neighbor" species of ours, are very aware of the parallel worlds and species around them, including us. So kind-hearted are they (Ben calls them "the Clerics" because they are quiet, humble and usually wear hoods) that they have actively worked with us against the parasitical entities that feed upon us and on many of our parallel species.
    He also rejects the idea of "Other Side" - he states that there is no death,you die in one world but continue in another.

    He hosts 2 websites:

    New England Ghosts Welcome You!


    Behind the Paranormal with Paul and Ben Eno

    He rejects idea that ghosts are "spirit of the dead",Rather,hi insists, they are living people from parallel worlds

    Thoughts?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    Hello All,
    Recently I came across one paranormal investigator, Paul F Eno, who is considered to be "the smartest voice in the paranormal" today
    That could be interpreted as damnation by faint praise. It's a lot like calling him the smartest idiot in a non-field.

    and is convinced that all paranormal phenomena is explained solely through the quantum multiverse,
    Well, as there is experimental evidence for neither paranormal phenomena nor for a quantum multiverse, his certitude would seem misplaced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    Hello All,
    Recently I came across one paranormal investigator, Paul F Eno, who is considered to be "the smartest voice in the paranormal" today
    That could be interpreted as damnation by faint praise. It's a lot like calling him the smartest idiot in a non-field.

    and is convinced that all paranormal phenomena is explained solely through the quantum multiverse,
    Well, as there is experimental evidence for neither paranormal phenomena nor for a quantum multiverse, his certitude would seem misplaced.
    I wonder how he communicated with "smart tall humanoids" that his son called "The Clerics"? Do humanoids speak English?Or by telepathy?

    By the way,here is what is going to be his next show:
    Co-host PAUL F. ENO calls upon his 42 years of paranormal research and 10 years of seminary studies to take us on a tour of the paranormal lives of Christian saints, East and West. Many people don't realize that world-class paranormal events and abilities characterized the lives of many men and women throughout history who were later canonized. Psychic powers, bi-location, remote viewing, the power of flight and more were normal for many of them.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    I wonder how he communicated with "smart tall humanoids" that his son called "The Clerics"? Do humanoids speak English?Or by telepathy?
    You're making the assumption that he did do these things. Where is the independent evidence that he did, in fact, do those things? If The Clerics are so smart, they should have been able to convey things like proofs to currently unproven mathematical theorems, schematics for previously unimagined devices, recipes for novel materials, etc. Somehow, allegedly superior "paranormal pals" never actually provide such proof.

    By the way,here is what is going to be his next show... Psychic powers, bi-location, remote viewing, the power of flight and more were normal for many of them.
    Huh?
    My comment exactly: Huh?

    My advice: Don't be so damned gullible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    My advice: Don't be so damned gullible.
    I am...unfortunately...therefore I am here....hoping that people with better critical thinking will help to clarify things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
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    My advice: Don't be so damned gullible.
    I am...unfortunately...therefore I am here....hoping that people with better critical thinking will help to clarify things...
    Here's what I would recommend: When someone makes a claim that is, shall we say, outside of the ordinary, spend a little time investigating what evidence exists to support that claim. Are there experiments, published in a peer-reviewed journal with a reputation for excellence? Or are there only Youtube videos, postings on a blog (written by the claimants), and references to Coast-to-Coast AM programs?

    Carl Sagan perhaps said it best: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    As an example, you have cited Paul Eno as having a certain reputation. You could do some research on who says he is what is claimed. A quick google search only turns up a website run by Paul Eno with an unattributed quotation. For all we know, it could be Paul Eno himself saying that Paul Eno is a leading paranormal expert. Red flag.

    That same website touts his appearances on Coast-to-Coast. Double red flag.

    Finally, there are no independently confirmed experiments verifying that Eno's son is a "gifted shaman." Three strikes and yer out.

    The best-fit hypothesis is that Paul and his son are running a for-profit business. They have recognized, as did P.T. Barnum, that there are many gullible folks out there, from whom dollars may be readily extracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    hoping that people with better critical thinking will help to clarify things...
    People are not endowed with it. It's not like some God given talent. It's called, "using your brain." You are plenty capable of it.

    Can I offer up a different tactic? If you are sincere about what you would like to discuss, break it down into smaller chunks- easier to digest.
    Ask about certain aspects of the field. Examine each one for subjective evidence and for objective evidence and then make comparisons between the two. Determine what has more support and what lacks support.
    That is all critical thinking is: Examining the merit of claims.

    I got up this morning and wrestled a bear. I bit it and it died. So, I skinned it and am wearing a bear coat now as I type this while munching on bear stew.
    Making claims is very easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    Here's what I would recommend: When someone makes a claim that is, shall we say, outside of the ordinary, spend a little time investigating what evidence exists to support that claim. Are there experiments, published in a peer-reviewed journal with a reputation for excellence? Or are there only Youtube videos, postings on a blog (written by the claimants), and references to Coast-to-Coast AM programs?

    Carl Sagan perhaps said it best: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

    As an example, you have cited Paul Eno as having a certain reputation. You could do some research on who says he is what is claimed. A quick google search only turns up a website run by Paul Eno with an unattributed quotation. For all we know, it could be Paul Eno himself saying that Paul Eno is a leading paranormal expert. Red flag.

    That same website touts his appearances on Coast-to-Coast. Double red flag.

    Finally, there are no independently confirmed experiments verifying that Eno's son is a "gifted shaman." Three strikes and yer out.

    The best-fit hypothesis is that Paul and his son are running a for-profit business. They have recognized, as did P.T. Barnum, that there are many gullible folks out there, from whom dollars may be readily extracted.
    Yes, only his website, Coast-to- Coast and Youtube

    Are there experiments, published in a peer-reviewed journal with a reputation for excellence?
    Seems that not even remotely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tk421
    The best-fit hypothesis is that Paul and his son are running a for-profit business. They have recognized, as did P.T. Barnum, that there are many gullible folks out there, from whom dollars may be readily extracted.
    Yes, only his website, Coast-to- Coast and Youtube

    Are there experiments, published in a peer-reviewed journal with a reputation for excellence?
    Seems that not even remotely
    When confronted with claims of communication with space aliens or other superior beings, I always ask the claimant for evidence. Physical evidence is rarely offered (it's too hard to fake), so the claimant invariably spins some tale of advanced warp drives, interdimensional travel, telepathic communication, infinite-energy machines, etc. "It's so far beyond us that there's no way for us mere humans to understand." That's why I ask for things like proofs (or counterexamples) of outstanding mathematical conjectures, since these don't depend on the state of the engineering art that would be so far beyond our comprehension. Any advanced civilisation will be good at math, or will have records of their history of mathematics, so the challenge should be trivially met. I'm sure that you'll be shocked -- shocked, I say! -- that the claimant never can provide anything scientific that is beyond what we know today. That's a sure sign of BS being shoveled at light speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421
    The best-fit hypothesis is that Paul and his son are running a for-profit business. They have recognized, as did P.T. Barnum, that there are many gullible folks out there, from whom dollars may be readily extracted.
    Yes, only his website, Coast-to- Coast and Youtube

    Are there experiments, published in a peer-reviewed journal with a reputation for excellence?
    Seems that not even remotely
    When confronted with claims of communication with space aliens or other superior beings, I always ask the claimant for evidence. Physical evidence is rarely offered (it's too hard to fake), so the claimant invariably spins some tale of advanced warp drives, interdimensional travel, telepathic communication, infinite-energy machines, etc. "It's so far beyond us that there's no way for us mere humans to understand." That's why I ask for things like proofs (or counterexamples) of outstanding mathematical conjectures, since these don't depend on the state of the engineering art that would be so far beyond our comprehension. Any advanced civilisation will be good at math, or will have records of their history of mathematics, so the challenge should be trivially met. I'm sure that you'll be shocked -- shocked, I say! -- that the claimant never can provide anything scientific that is beyond what we know today. That's a sure sign of BS being shoveled at light speed.
    Point taken. And - if 'near-death-experiences'(some people attribute mystical experience to that) at least debated in pop-sci/medical editions, I've yet to see "Sci Am" or "New Scientist" ,or even "Newsweek" or "Time" talsk about Eno's contact with "The Clerics"/"Parasites", and taking his son as "gifted shaman"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    He also rejects the idea of "Other Side" - he states that there is no death,you die in one world but continue in another.
    Apart from the fact that all of his claims are unmitigated crap (I won't pull them apart one at a time) the slight flaw is that even if his other claims were true this one doesn't work anyway.
    Let's agree that the multiverse exists, let's agree that there are "multiple yous", each with their own life.
    If YOU die how many of those other "yous" have lived your life the way you've lived it?
    How many of those other "yous" are you aware of or are aware of you?
    Your "current consciousness" is what ceases when you die, is he claiming that the "YOU-yous" consciousness "jumps" into one of the other "yous"? I doubt it, since he hasn't claimed that "they" do it to YOU if "they" die.
    Plus, of course, even if THAT happened, how many of the other "yous" are going to live forever?

    Like all total f*ckwits cranks he doesn't take the time to make his ridiculous claims self-consistent.
    I suppose that's why this sort of people try to make a living out of scamming the gullible, as opposed to making a living writing their fantasies for discerning readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    He also rejects the idea of "Other Side" - he states that there is no death,you die in one world but continue in another.
    Apart from the fact that all of his claims are unmitigated crap (I won't pull them apart one at a time) the slight flaw is that even if his other claims were true this one doesn't work anyway.
    Let's agree that the multiverse exists, let's agree that there are "multiple yous", each with their own life.
    If YOU die how many of those other "yous" have lived your life the way you've lived it?
    How many of those other "yous" are you aware of or are aware of you?
    Your "current consciousness" is what ceases when you die, is he claiming that the "YOU-yous" consciousness "jumps" into one of the other "yous"? I doubt it, since he hasn't claimed that "they" do it to YOU if "they" die.
    Plus, of course, even if THAT happened, how many of the other "yous" are going to live forever?

    Like all total f*ckwits cranks he doesn't take the time to make his ridiculous claims self-consistent.
    I suppose that's why this sort of people try to make a living out of scamming the gullible, as opposed to making a living writing their fantasies for discerning readers.
    Thanks a lot, great post
    Apart that interpretations of Quantum Mechanics is still hotly debated topic:

    http://www.nature.com/news/experts-s...-means-1.12198

    as I've read ,in case of "many-worlds" one of the postulates is that these universes are not communicating with each other. So how are "ghosts" from there?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    Apart that interpretations of Quantum Mechanics is still hotly debated topic:

    Experts still split about what quantum theory means : Nature News & Comment

    as I've read ,in case of "many-worlds" one of the postulates is that these universes are not communicating with each other. So how are "ghosts" from there?...
    The whole point is that, because these putative other universes are not communicating with each other, you can't use them to "explain" ghosts. First, there's no evidence that ghosts exist. Second, even if they did, multiverses -- as understood scientifically -- wouldn't explain them.
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    Folks, he is really bizarre fellow, and I am not sure how intelligent it is to apply to the readers "shut up". Here:

    WHY PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PARANORMAL

    SHUT UP.
    Shut up, listen, and let the "haunted" site teach you. You'll find that the whole planet is "haunted" - that the paranormal is completely normal, that it does NOT abide by human standards nor bow to human science. And you'll find that the paranormal opens the door to many, many worlds -- some like ours, some very alien, many just as physical, but most with very different laws of physics -- and that our whole universe is only a microscopic part of an ineffably vast whole.
    Shut up, listen, and forget the seance room, fireside ghost stories, 19th century spiritism and the flat-Earth theory. Unless you're prepared to admit that clothes, cars, trucks, houses, streets and whole villages, and physical characteristics like voices, can be spirits too, you'll notice that ghosts are not what they appear to be.
    Shut up, listen, and know that we have deadly enemies and powerful friends throughout the muliverse. Know that you can have profound experiences of love or horror across the boundaries of these worlds.
    Shut up, listen, and travel through time.
    Shut up, listen, and know a multiverse of other universes.
    Shut up -- JOIN UP -- and learn to control whole worlds.
    Shut up, listen, and see what life truly is.
    Shut up, listen, and know God.
    Forget the assumptions and LISTEN, and this is what the paranormal can do for you and for all of us -- or to you and to us.
    Why is this so important? Because understanding the paranormal and, through it, the multiverse we live in, has implications for EVERYTHING we believe about God, ourselves, our science, our world, our relationships with others, and our destinies.
    Because even WE are not what we appear to be.
    That's why I always say, "Explaining the paranormal is not the problem. It's handling the explanations.
    Welcome to the first day of school
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    Folks, he is really bizarre fellow, and I am not sure how intelligent it is to apply to the readers "shut up". Here:
    So we've all established that he isn't worth listening to. Given that, why continue to post lengthy excerpts and links to his unsubstantiated crap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    Folks, he is really bizarre fellow, and I am not sure how intelligent it is to apply to the readers "shut up". Here:
    So we've all established that he isn't worth listening to. Given that, why continue to post lengthy excerpts and links to his unsubstantiated crap?
    No more. My "experiment" worked. I myself lack critical thinking and gullible, so wanted to see how other ration people will react.Glad to see such reactions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    No more. My "experiment" worked. I myself lack critical thinking and gullible, so wanted to see how other ration people will react.Glad to see such reactions
    Explain how you lack something that your brain is capable of? I, for one, am having great difficulty in just accepting that you lack this 'trait.' You can think critically and be a skeptic as easily as any of us who say we are skeptics on a daily basis.
    Different people will respond in different ways.
    You are presenting something that is bogus to people that refute what is bogus on a daily basis, year after year. You cannot blame those people for being a bit short- it does get tiresome to see the same tired claims over and over, again.
    Maybe you need to focus on the topic you started and try to narrow down what it is that confuses you about the validity of the claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    No more. My "experiment" worked. I myself lack critical thinking and gullible, so wanted to see how other ration people will react.Glad to see such reactions
    Explain how you lack something that your brain is capable of? I, for one, am having great difficulty in just accepting that you lack this 'trait.' You can think critically and be a skeptic as easily as any of us who say we are skeptics on a daily basis.
    Different people will respond in different ways.
    You are presenting something that is bogus to people that refute what is bogus on a daily basis, year after year. You cannot blame those people for being a bit short- it does get tiresome to see the same tired claims over and over, again.
    Maybe you need to focus on the topic you started and try to narrow down what it is that confuses you about the validity of the claims.
    What confuses me is his condidence in what he is saying,though it seems weird... when he speaks about contacts with "tall smart humanoids" that now about species from parallel worlds, and talks about some "good world" that he deams about and get mails from aother people who claim also to have a similar dreams. So,on the one hand it seems all bizarre in the extreme,on the other hand, he claims it ,and how we can know whether he claims guiberrish or not?The most acute question - what reasonable criteria we can use in that case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander1304 View Post
    What confuses me is his condidence in what he is saying,though it seems weird... when he speaks about contacts with "tall smart humanoids" that now about species from parallel worlds, and talks about some "good world" that he deams about and get mails from aother people who claim also to have a similar dreams. So,on the one hand it seems all bizarre in the extreme,on the other hand, he claims it ,and how we can know whether he claims guiberrish or not?The most acute question - what reasonable criteria we can use in that case?
    I'm going to assume for the present that you're not just playing games -- your posts are quite similar to those of many others pushing an agenda, but pretending to be simply asking questions at first, and then moving rapidly toward advocacy of woo. If you are a game player, that will become clear shortly.

    Anyway, you've already been given the answer: Have the claimant show the evidence. It's really that simple.

    A common ploy is to argue that no one has proven a claim to be wrong, therefore it must be right. The fallacy of that ploy is easily seen if we apply it to a simple example: "No one has proven that Santa Claus does not exist, therefore Santa Claus does exist."

    The rules are simple in science: The one making the affirmative claim alone bears the burden of backing up that claim. In the absence of such evidence, the default position is that the claim is not to be believed. "Sounds plausible" is not good enough. "He looks sincere" is not good enough. "He seems very certain" is not good enough. "Lots of people believe he's right" is not good enough.

    Evidence. It's all about evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    What confuses me is his condidence in what he is saying,though it seems weird... when he speaks about contacts with "tall smart humanoids" that now about species from parallel worlds, and talks about some "good world" that he deams about and get mails from aother people who claim also to have a similar dreams. So,on the one hand it seems all bizarre in the extreme,on the other hand, he claims it ,and how we can know whether he claims guiberrish or not?The most acute question - what reasonable criteria we can use in that case?
    I'm going to assume for the present that you're not just playing games -- your posts are quite similar to those of many others pushing an agenda, but pretending to be simply asking questions at first, and then moving rapidly toward advocacy of woo. If you are a game player, that will become clear shortly.

    Anyway, you've already been given the answer: Have the claimant show the evidence. It's really that simple.

    A common ploy is to argue that no one has proven a claim to be wrong, therefore it must be right. The fallacy of that ploy is easily seen if we apply it to a simple example: "No one has proven that Santa Claus does not exist, therefore Santa Claus does exist."

    The rules are simple in science: The one making the affirmative claim alone bears the burden of backing up that claim. In the absence of such evidence, the default position is that the claim is not to be believed. "Sounds plausible" is not good enough. "He looks sincere" is not good enough. "He seems very certain" is not good enough. "Lots of people believe he's right" is not good enough.

    Evidence. It's all about evidence.
    And even evidence can be interpreted in variety of ways...But yes, if there is evidence for him contacting wih "parasites" or "smart toll humanoids" - then(I think) such evidence should be available to others as well. I mean - there maybe people who claim the same things,but this is also probably not enough. I am simply afraid that there could be evidence that only he encountered. But if I understand You - we don't have to take his words at a face value. We need him presenting us (or other non-claimants) evidence of these species with whom(according to him) he makes the contact. Or ghosts. Am I understanding You correctly?
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    And even evidence can be interpreted in variety of ways...
    Perhaps, but we're not talking about shades of grey here. The claimants have not presented any evidence whatsoever, so there's no issue of interpretation to be discussed. Why are you even bringing that up, I wonder? Suspicions increase.

    But yes, if there is evidence for him contacting wih "parasites" or "smart toll humanoids" - then(I think) such evidence should be available to others as well.
    Evidence that is unavailable to others is the same as no evidence.

    I mean - there maybe people who claim the same things,but this is also probably not enough.
    See my previous post where I talked about evidence. Or did you miss that part?

    I am simply afraid that there could be evidence that only he encountered.
    Then you only have his word for it. You've already agreed, allegedly, that it's all about evidence. Why are you bringing up non-evidence?

    But if I understand You - we don't have to take his words at a face value.
    I will repeat until you read it: It's all about the evidence. Nothing else matters. Repeat it to yourself before posting another foolish statement.

    We need him presenting us (or other non-claimants) evidence of these species with whom(according to him) he makes the contact. Or ghosts. Am I understanding You correctly?
    See above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
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    And even evidence can be interpreted in variety of ways...
    Perhaps, but we're not talking about shades of grey here. The claimants have not presented any evidence whatsoever, so there's no issue of interpretation to be discussed. Why are you even bringing that up, I wonder? Suspicions increase.

    But yes, if there is evidence for him contacting wih "parasites" or "smart toll humanoids" - then(I think) such evidence should be available to others as well.
    Evidence that is unavailable to others is the same as no evidence.

    I mean - there maybe people who claim the same things,but this is also probably not enough.
    See my previous post where I talked about evidence. Or did you miss that part?

    I am simply afraid that there could be evidence that only he encountered.
    Then you only have his word for it. You've already agreed, allegedly, that it's all about evidence. Why are you bringing up non-evidence?

    But if I understand You - we don't have to take his words at a face value.
    I will repeat until you read it: It's all about the evidence. Nothing else matters. Repeat it to yourself before posting another foolish statement.

    We need him presenting us (or other non-claimants) evidence of these species with whom(according to him) he makes the contact. Or ghosts. Am I understanding You correctly?
    See above.

    See previous post.
    Ok,thank You for replies, I think we discussed everything we could,regarding this stuff
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    In my experience, when you live in returns time and live parallel worlds, there are those who order them- good top up, and others do not get along, so thay deleted from them .Some living proof , some part have not
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    Maybe someone mixed up the keys on his keyboard and he didn't notice until after he clicked "Post".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Water Nosfim View Post
    In my experience, when you live in returns time and live parallel worlds, there are those who order them- good top up, and others do not get along, so thay deleted from them .Some living proof , some part have not
    Au contraire. In my experience, when you die in returns time and die parallel worlds, there is nobody who order them- bad top up, and everyone who does get along, so thay included from them .Some dying proof , some part have

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