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    Perhaps it's time for a new religion. A different type of religion a religion that is not focussed on us as human beings needing a God to reign over us, but instead a religion that puts us as humans at it's centre and recognises the power and responsibility we already have. That for all intensive purposes we are like Gods to most of the animals on this planet, having the power over whether they live or die, must surely also give us some responsibility to look after and protect them.

    So maybe a religion in which we place ourselves in the role of Gods, a religion that is about the search for self improvement and betterment and that teaches and shows us all how to be responsible for both the planet and all the plants and animals which inhabit it.

    This new religion could and should have strong values but also be based on truth not myths or miracles, with stong emphasis placed on the virtures of conservation and ecology.

    That could be a type of religion that could be truely beneficial to everybody.


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    I dub this new religion 'Common Sense'.


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    instead a religion that puts us as humans at it's centre
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    Wouldn't that be the stalking horse for the worst abuses. Perhaps "instead a world philosophy that recognizes that we are part of the biosphere, have right to survive, but are uniquely powerful and take responsibility....
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    I think it's a losing cause. I basically see religion as the result of a three-link chain: Science, philosophy and religion.

    First you got what we today would call scientists studying Creation around us (which can be a fallible endeavour in itself), weighing, measuring and trying to conclude which mechanisms are at play around us. Then all that data goes to what we'd call philosophers, who try to make some sense out of all that for some human context. And when they inevitably wind up with something scholars would call existentialism, that's when people panic and turn to religion. 'Cause there ain't much survival instinct in seeing Creation as it actually is: Totally indifferent with us. So as a self defense mechanism, through religion we will always distort the works of scientists and philosophers, to merely survive in the Universe.

    I think this chain or whatever has been at play for thousands of years, the main difference being the level for which scientists can understand the mechanisms of Creation. At least science can be said to have progressed since the earliest forms of eg. Hinduism and Judaism, perhaps as much as 4.000 years old. Today you got modern ramblings such as Scientology (which I think is a bit perverted etymology) or the spiritual suggestion of the frickin' Star Trek universe, but the mechanism is exactly the same. The outcome can be exactly as perverted today as 4.000 years ago: We don't like the version of Creation you are giving us, egghead, we will just create our own. And yes, we will burn you alive, if you tell us differently just because it makes "sense". It doesn't matter which religion it is, this is the outcome every time.

    I personally think that faiths like Buddhism or Daoism comes closest to a befinitial balance between those three above chain links, but those don't have that many followers comparitively, do they? Living a spiritual life by how the Universe actually is will never find that many voices or followers, 'cause it doesn't give people a real drive. Religion is a survival instinct in that regards. Also, regardless of the faith, there's no safety net for ensuring that the old stories about the individuals or occurances behind whatever will not be abused by individuals that just want to claw undeserved power and dominance towards themselves or their caste. Or, competing fractions in the physical world will jump at some random spiritual comma sentence as an excuse for pounding their chests towards each other. Which I'd say the history books and news casts are full of examples of.

    It's easy to see the folly of the already defined world religions and feeling the need to create something new and beneficial, but you'd just get the same: Distortion and insanity. You can base an entire religion on the history of science, from Aristotle to Darwin or whatever, and it will be exactly the same in the hands of human nature. Then people will jump at each others throats over whether Darwin threw up in a bucket or over the railing, when he sailed with the Beagle. There's no need for more stupidity, just try to get by with the crap already out there. Wash your newborn (Christianity), wash your dead (Islam) or wash yourself (Hinduism), and just get ready to duck the next time human mass hysteria finds its next excuse in the ol' paragraphs. Or the new.
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    Hi CEngelbrecht, quite some fascinating insight there. Whilst I have no doubt you are correct and probarbly would go the way of all religions I don't really think it would or could be much worse than the ones we already have. Also I think a new religion that could take followers away from other religions would be no bad thing if it was based on truth and responsibility and was about us as human beings replacing the notion of God, meaning that we are the ones responsible for putting things right and helping people. Instead of people praying to a God that doesn't actually do anything instead they can come and make pleas to real people that are capable of interviening to help them, whilst we as humans are limited in what we can and cannot do we can at least do something which is usually far more than any God has ever done.

    Also it would be using the tools of religion for a good purpose to spread responsibility and positive values as opposed to a normal religions pacification and self propagation agenda. This new religion would have no barriers to entry, would never justify violence and teach tollerance and understanding of one's fellow man also it would not necessarily preclude people from believing in a God or other religion. It could though still offer that opportunity to bind communities together and give them a common purpose.

    Where new religion could really help is in that it wouldn't be held back by centuries of religious dogma or untrue claims about man's creation, it could promote truth and actually help other religions to progress and abandon false notions. It could be something that goes beyond personal greed and desire and shows a more possitive vision of a future in which man lives in harmony with the planet and all the animals without harming or destroying them. At least this is the ideal I have in mind.
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    If I am not an intruder here, I would say: You are opening your good heart here. It is heartening as well inspiring to see your desire goes beyond self interest or a desire to live with least desires. But I fear this cannot help in knowing the truth, so promoting it seems unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
    If I am not an intruder here, I would say: You are opening your good heart here. It is heartening as well inspiring to see your desire goes beyond self interest or a desire to live with least desires. But I fear this cannot help in knowing the truth, so promoting it seems unlikely.
    What do you define as "The truth"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    If I am not an intruder here, I would say: You are opening your good heart here. It is heartening as well inspiring to see your desire goes beyond self interest or a desire to live with least desires. But I fear this cannot help in knowing the truth, so promoting it seems unlikely.
    What do you define as "The truth"?

    Definition will come once someone recognizes it as a whole. But I can say this. At least.

    Truth is what human being is moving towards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
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    If I am not an intruder here, I would say: You are opening your good heart here. It is heartening as well inspiring to see your desire goes beyond self interest or a desire to live with least desires. But I fear this cannot help in knowing the truth, so promoting it seems unlikely.
    What do you define as "The truth"?

    Definition will come once someone recognizes it as a whole. But I can say this. At least.

    Truth is what human being is moving towards.
    So how do you know this will not help, if you dont even know what "the truth" is?
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    However bigger the issue you address, once you mention the word truth regarding it, you try to compartmentalize the truth. What you find instead is outcome of your activities. Truth skips you.

    You can be a group of people, religion, institution or human being. We should start without seeking a truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uday yadav View Post
    However bigger the issue you address, once you mention the word truth regarding it, you try to compartmentalize the truth. What you find instead is outcome of your activities. Truth skips you.

    You can be a group of people, religion, institution or human being. We should start without seeking a truth.
    When I used the word truth I didn't mean to imply any special significance or suggest it as something we must seek out, what I actually meant is that we should teach only that which we have actually learned and believe to be true from our observations and repititions and not teach interpretations of stories for which we have absolutely no evidence that they are true/correct.
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    Beliefs are contradictory by nature. Knowledge or education has weaponry powers. Human creativity is given free hand to transform earth resources into accumulated wealth.

    Good hearted people are kept busy by non gratifying task of delivering insufficient aid to too many.

    New religion will refuse to stand unless good hearted people refuse to be part of ongoing system and stop worrying about well being of needy people.
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