# Thread: particle travel faster than light

1. Thank you for taking the time to read this. The design described below is very complicated and if you have any questions I will be glad to answer them.

I have developed a mechanism which will allow a subatomic particle to travel faster than the speed of light.

An insulated glass tank of a height ten meters and a length of twenty meters is placed in an isolated room, on top of a turntable. A tightly wound solenoid, with a diameter of 7 meters is suspended 1.5 meters from the top and bottom of a tank. The length of the solenoid is just less than 20 meters.

Five toroids are placed on equal intervals on top of the solenoid. They have a diameter of .5 meters.

A very small hole is drilled through the top of the solenoid all the way to the other side of the toroid. A thin copper wire is threaded through each of the holes and connected, forming five circular loops.

A current of 200 A is run through the wires.

The bottom of the tank is filled with mercury until the height of the mercury reaches one meter. Another meter of salt water is added on top of this.

The tank is supercooled until it reaches a temperature of approximately 10K. The outside of the tank is maintained at 400K

A bar magnet, with a length of 10m and a width of 1m is placed on top of the tank and moves from the left to the right side of the tank and back again continuously at a speed of 10m/s

The turn table starts to rotate with a variable acceleration given by the equation a(t)=500sin(.1t) measured in rev/s

A muon is shot from the left side of the solenoid into the solenoid.

The muon will reach a speed approximately 7.4% faster than the speed of light.

This is proven. I have left out some detail, but will provide it on request

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3. Originally Posted by alberto28
This is proven. I have left out some detail, but will provide it on request
Excellent. Which journal has this experiment and the results been published in. I am interested how you measured the velocity of the muon and the theoretical basis for this result.

I am also curious why it has not been in the news, while neutrinos travelling at about 0.0025% faster than the speed of light made headlines all over the world.

4. Originally Posted by alberto28
A muon is shot from the left side of the solenoid into the solenoid.

The muon will reach a speed approximately 7.4% faster than the speed of light.

This is proven. I have left out some detail, but will provide it on request
Well, you left out the part that really matters -- the proof, so here's a formal request for you to provide that "detail," as you promised.

5. Due to financial limitations, I am unable to preform the experiment. I am currently seeking funding to preform the experiment. The conditions described above will cause Einstein's laws of relativity to break down for a very small period of time, allowing the particle to travel faster than the speed of light.

6. Originally Posted by alberto28
This is proven.
Originally Posted by alberto28
Due to financial limitations, I am unable to preform the experiment.
There appears to be a contradiction in these two statements. Can you explain that.

The conditions described above will cause Einstein's laws of relativity to break down for a very small period of time, allowing the particle to travel faster than the speed of light.
Why will it? And what is your basis for claiming this?

7. So in other words, you don't have the proof you claimed in your original post. Why am I not surprised? Those who seek to overturn a century of physics always seem to avoid that step

8. It is not proven experimentally but mathematically

9. Originally Posted by alberto28
It is not proven experimentally but mathematically
Yes; and ...

Come on, don't be shy.

10. Then let's see your mathematical proof as a starting point. Don't just say you have it, show it, as promised in the OP.

11. We all know he doesn't have it :P But I see we all love egging them on :P

Apparently for a lot of people beer + imagination = mathematical proof

12. Here is a simplified version of the mathematical proof:

The conditions described in the initial proof will create a magnetic field and an electric field. There will also be a gravitational field.

The above conditions will also cause all relativistic effects to break down for a very brief period of time.

An electric field of 7,500 N/C will be created. This field will be relatively uniform throughout the tank.

A muon has the same charge as an electron.

The force acting on the muon due to the electric field will be 1.2*10^-15 N
The muon will have an acceleration of 6.37*10^12 m/s^2

Normally, relativistic effects would limit the speed of this object, however, in the above case there would be no relativistic effects for a brief period. Through calculations I have approximated this value to 5.06*10^-5 seconds.

The particle will travel faster than the speed of light for a very brief period of time. After this, the particle will cease to exist.

13. Originally Posted by alberto28
Here is a simplified version of the mathematical proof:

The conditions described in the initial proof will create a magnetic field and an electric field. There will also be a gravitational field.

The above conditions will also cause all relativistic effects to break down for a very brief period of time.
Why? What is the mathematical and observational proof that this would occur?

An electric field of 7,500 N/C will be created. This field will be relatively uniform throughout the tank.
So what?

A muon has the same charge as an electron.
OK, we can agree on that.

The force acting on the muon due to the electric field will be 1.2*10^-15 N
The muon will have an acceleration of 6.37*10^12 m/s^2

Normally, relativistic effects would limit the speed of this object, however, in the above case there would be no relativistic effects for a brief period. Through calculations I have approximated this value to 5.06*10^-5 seconds.
Please show the calculations that demonstrate that.

The particle will travel faster than the speed of light for a very brief period of time. After this, the particle will cease to exist.
More unsupported assertion.

14. Originally Posted by alberto28
Here is a simplified version of the mathematical proof
There seems to have been a problem with your comment. Somehow all the mathematics got left out of it. Perhaps you should try again.

15. Please explain what you would like me to show

16. Please note that I left a few pieces of crucial info out of the first post as I do not want anyone stealing by new discoveries before they are published in a reputable journal
If you assume that there are no relativistic effects, basic physics can confirm that the muon will in fact reach a speed 7.4% faster than the speed of light
.

17. You still have yet to show the math that proves that. So far it's a lot of "I say so".

I thought Strange made it quite clear in post #13.

If you are not going to show the math to support your claims to protect yourself from theft, then just stop posting here, and let us know when you are published in a reputable jornal. Because otherwise, there's really no point. I'm tempted to just lock this thread.

MW

18. Originally Posted by alberto28
Please explain what you would like me to show
Huh?

Originally Posted by alberto28
It is not proven experimentally but mathematically

19. Originally Posted by alberto28
If you assume that there are no relativistic effects, basic physics can confirm that the muon will in fact reach a speed 7.4% faster than the speed of light.
Go on then. Show us how "basic physics" will confirm that.

And then take relativistic effects into account.

20. Originally Posted by alberto28
Please note that I left a few pieces of crucial info out of the first post ....
Yeah, just like my proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, and my three-line derivation of a grand unified field theory. Sadly, my dog ate it.

21. Originally Posted by alberto28
Thank you for taking the time to read this. The design described below is very complicated and if you have any questions I will be glad to answer them.

I have developed a mechanism which will allow a subatomic particle to travel faster than the speed of light.

An insulated glass tank of a height ten meters and a length of twenty meters is placed in an isolated room, on top of a turntable. A tightly wound solenoid, with a diameter of 7 meters is suspended 1.5 meters from the top and bottom of a tank. The length of the solenoid is just less than 20 meters.

Five toroids are placed on equal intervals on top of the solenoid. They have a diameter of .5 meters.

A very small hole is drilled through the top of the solenoid all the way to the other side of the toroid. A thin copper wire is threaded through each of the holes and connected, forming five circular loops.

A current of 200 A is run through the wires.

The bottom of the tank is filled with mercury until the height of the mercury reaches one meter. Another meter of salt water is added on top of this.

The tank is supercooled until it reaches a temperature of approximately 10K. The outside of the tank is maintained at 400K

A bar magnet, with a length of 10m and a width of 1m is placed on top of the tank and moves from the left to the right side of the tank and back again continuously at a speed of 10m/s

The turn table starts to rotate with a variable acceleration given by the equation a(t)=500sin(.1t) measured in rev/s

A muon is shot from the left side of the solenoid into the solenoid.
What we have here is a gigantic rotating tank, with a few current-carrying wires wound into the shape of a helix thrown in for good measure. It will have no effect whatsoever on the muon, so far as its speed is concerned.

The muon will reach a speed approximately 7.4% faster than the speed of light.
No it won't.

This is proven.
By who ? Where is the peer reviewed evidence ?

Due to financial limitations, I am unable to preform the experiment.
Standard crackpot excuse. There is no evidence.

It is not proven experimentally but mathematically
Show us.

22. What we have here is a gigantic rotating tank, with a few current-carrying wires wound into the shape of a helix thrown in for good measure. It will have no effect whatsoever on the muon, so far as its speed is concerned.
Markus- If you think that there will be no effect on the particle's velocity, I suggest you reread the description or take an introductory college physics class

Normally, relativistic effects would limit the speed of this object, however, in the above case there would be no relativistic effects for a brief period. Through calculations I have approximated this value to 5.06*10^-5 seconds.

This time was calculating by taking into account the half life of molecules that will be created during the experiment

24. Originally Posted by alberto28
Markus- If you think that there will be no effect on the particle's velocity, I suggest you reread the description or take an introductory college physics class
I probably did not make myself clear enough, for which I apologize. There will be no effect on the particle so far as superluminal speeds are concerned. Of course the particle accelerates or decelerates due to the electromagnetic fields in your setup, but never to superluminal speeds.

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