Thread: Time travel, possible but...

Time travel, is possible eventually given enough money, research development, and evolution of the idea. Ok so thats not my focus my focus is ok hypothetically lets say it is possible years from now. Do we proceed with the idea? Is it dangerous, are all the statements about time travel we now have true? or are they only myths.

The first thing that comes to my mind when we speak of time travel obviously is go back in time and stop your parents from getting married so what happens? Haha I have always had fun personally with that idea however I dont waste too much time on it. But lets say we can build a time machine and we can all agree that for arguments sake its 2099 or what ever year you choose. News headlines read 'Worlds first time machine' or whatever im just trying to help paint the picture. Anyway we have the funds, we have the blueprint, we have all the necessary staff the minds to perfect it and create it. Do we? Or better yet should we?


Im 20, so im young potentially nieve, or misguided what ever undertones you may imply. But i believe that we can construct a device capable of traveling through time. (maybe not soon, obviously why I chose 2099 lol)Now how to do so I have my own hypothesis for that but this is neither the time nor place. I just want to know do you think! I read an article in 2009, as well as watched a video of an interview with some physicist, who was decently well known saying that hypothetically scientists think they can construct one relatively soon, how true that is IDC at the moment. But his focal point was more along the lines of what if they send a document into the past that disrupts, the flow of life how will that effect us. Will it effect us?

What if we were to send a computer from maybe 2005 or even now in the time machine with a note saying study this, with vivid instructions so on and so forth. And lets say hypothetically they did perfect the computer we have today and then they improved over time what happens to the computers today do they magically change? lol this is just my mind running away from me so sorry for the long opening but i just wanted to get the ball rolling so this doesn't die i feel like it will be a fun discussion! Thanks for reading

If you care to watch the video it is a video i stumbled upon the other day while aimlessly clicking youtube videos.

Is Time Travel Possible? - YouTube (Michio Kaku- on time travel)

There are hundreds of science fictions that explore 'what if time travel is achieved' scenario. I don't think we will have anything more creative to say than those fiction writers.

The speaker in the video you mentioned stated the possibility of time travel in the concept of "theoretically possible". For example to be able to travel through time you need to travel around the rotating universe, or dancing around and infinite cylinder, or going through wormhole. This is only a thought exercise, not in the realm of practical application. And the energy to do this is on level of exploding star. So I don't think human can accomplish time traveling by 2099, or even by 3099. I know that we have accomplished a lot so far, but we still stumble a lot too. I have been waiting for commercialized nuclear fusion plants for 30 years, since they talked about its possibility. To date, there is nothing to show. And this thing is much much more doable than time travel!

Probably it would be like Schrodinger's Cat. A past event is made determinant by being measured in the present, but it only works if that past event was absolutely, perfectly, isolated in every way from the measurer. Now, suppose instead of just making it determinant, you could both make it determinant, and decide which version of events was determined. That would be backwards time causality, which is time travel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat
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Fortunately, a machine that exploited this effect to allow backwards time interaction would be totally unable to influence things in a way that causes your grandfather to die.

Originally Posted by prasit

There are hundreds of science fictions that explore 'what if time travel is achieved' scenario. I don't think we will have anything more creative to say than those fiction writers.

The speaker in the video you mentioned stated the possibility of time travel in the concept of "theoretically possible". For example to be able to travel through time you need to travel around the rotating universe, or dancing around and infinite cylinder, or going through wormhole. This is only a thought exercise, not in the realm of practical application. And the energy to do this is on level of exploding star. So I don't think human can accomplish time traveling by 2099, or even by 3099. I know that we have accomplished a lot so far, but we still stumble a lot too. I have been waiting for commercialized nuclear fusion plants for 30 years, since they talked about its possibility. To date, there is nothing to show. And this thing is much much more doable than time travel!

Hypothetically its practical to assume that we will not achieve time travel by 2099 but I only say so because I refuse to believe the government or anyone in the world for that matter has the money, or will put the money in towards Research and Development of this idea. In the event that people do put the money towards it and enough minds that are powerful enough, get on bord I believe it to be possible... By 2099? Maybe not, but by 3099... ok now we are pushing it. Listen im not challenging your intelligence whatsoever but what im saying is that is a complete fabrication, based on no solid findings. Thats not me trying to say that my hypothesis is based on any more than yours, but it is. Scientists have predicted with the proper funding and so on and so forth 2099 is not a far cry from plausible. To believe that we couldn't achieve something outrageous as of now is feasible (because no forward progress really is being made) but in over excess of 1000 years time If enough time effort money dedication.... etc etc go into doing this I believe we could do a lot of things beyond this!

However I also am not trying to debate movie scripts which depict time travel, IMDB would be more suited for such a topic. I am infact interested in what Kojax had to say at least though. As well i am familiar with Einstein Rosin bridge, Worm/ Black holes, Anti-matter, particle accelerators. Like I said a few times before on this forum some people tend to overlook the terms I place to pad the discussion. Hypothetical statement implies that (this is quoted from you) "This is only a thought exercise, not in the realm of practical application." Need not exist.... Hypothetical is imposible to imply if i had said hypothesis, lets test it then sure your right. But hypothetical cannot be applied, should not and could not be applied, other wise chances are it would be a hypothesis or a theory... Clearly you must be familiar with the scientific method, which isn't me intending to be condescending either but the fact that nuclear fusion plants dont exist as relative to time travel is irrelevant. Now as much as I do appreciate the energy production alternatives involved in time travel that wasn't the discussion.

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Originally Posted by kojax

Probably it would be like Schrodinger's Cat. A past event is made determinant by being measured in the present, but it only works if that past event was absolutely, perfectly, isolated in every way from the measurer. Now, suppose instead of just making it determinant, you could both make it determinant, and decide which version of events was determined. That would be backwards time causality, which is time travel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat
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Fortunately, a machine that exploited this effect to allow backwards time interaction would be totally unable to influence things in a way that causes your grandfather to die.

This is intense stuff I have read other paradox's but this one is pretty different actually. "a horse of a different color" if you will lol so im going to read up on this a little more before I make a response! I appreciate the link

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Scientists have predicted with the proper funding and so on and so forth 2099 is not a far cry from plausible.

Please provide reference to this statement.

CNN: Dr. Ronald Mallett's Time Travel Machine - YouTube

Not very hard to find that... But As for that he doesn't tell you the date I estimated that date. Based on the fact that as of now he could build this machine as of 2007 (realizing that he needs more than a quarter million for the experiment)... Their is only X amount of research and development from that point foward that would innovate that technology to become all encompassing. Like I said HYPOTHETICALLY its not impossible given money and solid team were constructed to back him... This is serious iffy ground which is why (In My Personal Opinion) people dont fund this project. They are under the impression I guess my best analogy after a long research project on a similar topic is this... The general public, and scientists alike LOVE the idea of time travel until it actually comes time to invent it make it and do it. Its the equivalent of having a safe full of money, you lock it up as you do every night thinking I wish i could double this money.. Except this time on your way out you notice a hole in the wall like a laundry shoot it says 'Drop the money in and when you wake up tomorrow it will be doubled'!!!! RISK REWARD I guess thats an easier way to say it. ... My analogy at the core is very rough around the edges but the overall statement is fine... People will panic if they think they could loose what they have in the long run because they dont understand the implications double could be AMAZING! but nothing is worse then where they are now....

Through all my research through all my reading's video clips, so on and so on that was the over all message in a nutshell! The government wont back it because they feel as though it could 'Disturb the natural Peace' clearly that is paraphrased so dont go googling that phrase expecting to find something but if you would like me to see if i can pull up some more articles ill try but were getting off topic now... This isn't suposed to be me convincing you we can build it... like i said at the beginning ignore that part completely...

I believe time travel in the means of physicaly changing something is Science fiction. No matter can be created nor destroyed. I do believe you could see the future but never have any physical contact.

But As for that he doesn't tell you the date I estimated that date. Based on the fact that as of now he could build this machine as of 2007

All are speculation. Four years have passed and no update.

If TM's became a household appliance so that everyone had access to one then what are the probabilities of millions of people choosing to go to the same past event? Doesn't matter when they go because they will all end up in the same place at the same time. Hopefully they all don't visit the Titanic, all that weight and the ship might not ever reach the iceberg. Does history record millions in attendance at the crucifixion?

That's a good point to show that Time Travel is highly unlikely. To date we have not met any visitor from the future, which should be the case if Time Travel can be achieved.

Originally Posted by zinjanthropos

If TM's became a household appliance so that everyone had access to one then what are the probabilities of millions of people choosing to go to the same past event? Doesn't matter when they go because they will all end up in the same place at the same time. Hopefully they all don't visit the Titanic, all that weight and the ship might not ever reach the iceberg. Does history record millions in attendance at the crucifixion?

Yea I actually like this haha makes you think crazy things. I just wanted to take a few seconds to disclaimer for my own personal satisfaction. I am a pretty smart kid, no genius and I dont try to act like I am either, I just wanted to let you guys know though that I am comprehensible. I may not fully grasp the statements that are posted as a reply to all the threads on here that I read but I look it up and try to understand background. So I dont want you guys to think that this thread in anyway shape or form an attempt by me to underplay the severity of a TM, and or the processes involved in creating such a machine. I am not trying to underplay it whatsoever! I just hope that you guys dont think that, because that is not my focus I just thought that a discussion.. about the potential catastrophic events that could follow a time machine would be cool.

Anyway I really did mean this discussion to be strictly hypothetical but as a response to Prasit, what if and strictly what if... In the future time travel is possible, but it is more of a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/ future' Type of scenario. You can see, hear everything they can, BUT they have absolutely no idea that you are there whatsoever(no feeling ghost type entities). Kind of a time machine that is for educational purposes... and Zinjanthropos (hope i didn't spell your name wrong lol) I highly doubt that the evolution of a time machine to become a household item will ever occur. Haha it is a funny thought though to think that imagine I could sit around all day waste the whole day relaxing take a nap ETC... then go in the time machine then start the day off and do things I didn't? lol but stupid because i hardly understand how time would progress. I kind of still cant completely comprehend the intricate workings of a time machine enough to imply it to a global takeover type situation like say a tablet pc. lol

Who knows for all we know apple is in production of 'an app for that!' lol jk

Proofreading my post made me think up another idea lol, so I will briefly share it. What if... When people claim to see feel hear ghosts, or people around them. (That sudden anxiety feeling we all have experienced that someone is watching you) That is the future time machine travelers? I have no intention of passing this off as what I actually believe haha so dont think that please. (Just for the sake of discussion so agree or disagree I like arguments and brain building discussions all the same) Anyway I state this as a branch theory of my own hypothetical theory of time travel. I have always believed in "intelligent life elsewhere" as do many others I also believe that we have potentially made contact with them in prior civilizations. Again no proof just my own thoughts. BUT i've always said science leaves no room for ghosts, so what explains a ghost spotting, or what ever the phrase is when someone comes in contact with a ghost and reports it. What can we use to potentially explain that phenomena.

Anyhow maybe its the ghost of christmas past time machine haha.. Just figured id throw an extra 2 cents into my reply.

Originally Posted by Fmp2491

Hypothetically its practical to assume that we will not achieve time travel by 2099 but I only say so because I refuse to believe the government or anyone in the world for that matter has the money, or will put the money in towards Research and Development of this idea. In the event that people do put the money towards it and enough minds that are powerful enough, get on bord I believe it to be possible... By 2099? Maybe not, but by 3099... ok now we are pushing it. ...

No, money won't get you anti-gravity or time-travel. Very rich people has done this before and it doesn't work. You can't just pour money and hope solution exist, it doesn't work like that, for example: in 1948 Roger Babson (a millionaire) funded the Gravity Research Foundation to finding anti-gravity but he never find it...

Also,
United State's fully funded cancer research (called "War on Cancer", dubbed as equivalent to a moon project) under Richard Nixon also failed too... And also miserably; all the research was a FAILURE... It's all to do with a very famous cell line called "Hela cell".

Point is: money won't do it.

Anyway I really did mean this discussion to be strictly hypothetical but as a response to Prasit, what if and strictly what if... In the future time travel is possible, but it is more of a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/ future' Type of scenario. You can see, hear everything they can, BUT they have absolutely no idea that you are there whatsoever(no feeling ghost type entities). Kind of a time machine that is for educational purposes...

Seeing in the past has already happened when you look at remote stars light-years away. But the application can be more than educational. Police can use it to view the crime being committed, and catch the wrongdoer. We can find out who built Stonehenge etc.
Seeing the future will be more interesting. We can be sure to win a lottery, every time. We will know whether to bring an umbrella tomorrow. You can see that you will have a car accident soon, so you can call an ambulance in advance. Is that neat?

BUT i've always said science leaves no room for ghosts, so what explains a ghost spotting, or what ever the phrase is when someone comes in contact with a ghost and reports it. What can we use to potentially explain that phenomena.

Scientists know that, due to its limitation, the brain can be deceived to misinterpret external environment easily. So without other additional evidence they tend not to take what people say they have experienced seriously. Ghosts, UFO, Near-Death Experience, Dejavu are believed by scientists to be the brain's misinterpretation.

Originally Posted by prasit

BUT i've always said science leaves no room for ghosts, so what explains a ghost spotting, or what ever the phrase is when someone comes in contact with a ghost and reports it. What can we use to potentially explain that phenomena.

Scientists know that, due to its limitation, the brain can be deceived to misinterpret external environment easily. So without other additional evidence they tend not to take what people say they have experienced seriously. Ghosts, UFO, Near-Death Experience, Dejavu are believed by scientists to be the brain's misinterpretation.

The first explanation for time travel by looking into the light to see the past i like that... Although slightly off topic it is factual and I love facts, as we all do lol but... As for simply chalking things up to 'coincidence' I simply do not buy that.. I never will, and thats not me trying to be rude which hopefully you dont feel that way but science in the past has explained things in which it had no positive answer on as something similar to the explanation you gave here.

I dont believe personally that our brain has many limitations, if trained. I understand we have obviously limitations and that includes shape shifting, creating something from nothing... A person in america blowing something up thousands of miles away with their mind obvious stupid attempts to demean the argument at hand and in no way am i trying to say this is possible. I have had this discussion on this forum already and really have no intention of having it again but genius is created it isn't destined. Anyone one person can train the brain to perceve things that the average person is incapable of. It all deals with your interests and what you dedicate your time too... also how efficiently you use your time that you are dedicating.

My parents one a chef and never read a book other than cook books, and the other a nurse terrible at math and science. Spawned me an athlete, basketball player so on and so forth science and math oriented, everything that they are not. Genetics in this world determine approx. 20% of your overall makeup ... Clearly they can solidify and mean more over time if left unchanged. But in 2 books that i have read now, including the one i am currently about to finish The Genius in all of us ... It describes how genetic's historically have ment you inherit everything you have, and the pundit squares determine what you will have so on and so forth but... In the last maybe 30 years science has been slowly but surely proving that wrong. Anyway In my opinion UFO's while commonly considered a misconception I dont entirely buy that theory whatsoever. Dejavu isn't a misconception whatsoever it is usually a real event and recollection of a prior resembling moment if not the same scenario. And a near death experience is unique to that person, and no one else will ever have that same experience. Hence why people say they see their own lives flash before their eyes... Imagine how awkward, it would be if someone says I had a near death experience it was so weird "Your life flashed before my eyes"... While comical it is still ridicules.

Anyhow their are too many ancient mysteries, to be explained without the use of extraterrestrial presence. Plus their are enough compelling scientific arguments proving extraterrestrial presence, by highly qualified physicists. I believe this as thoroughly as you believe the statement you made based on misconceptions of the human mind. Although I think your explanation offers as solid an explanation as mind it also is unique to the person who believes it and what facts that they have to back it i guess thats the beauty of science... and of theory vs law. Their is no room for interpretation once it becomes law lol!

I believe this as thoroughly as you believe the statement you made based on misconceptions of the human mind. Although I think your explanation offers as solid an explanation as mind

The difference is that mine have scientific evidence to back it up.