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    The first mention of a GOD was the Egyptian Sun GOD RA.
    This God is portrayed as a self created Creator God.
    My opinion is that the Egyptian were gardeners along the river Nile. They realized that plants need the Sun for a healthy growth even though the plants get their start from a seed.
    But the Sun does supply the energy and water for the survival of the plants.
    This may surprise many readers but the Sun does supply the water that is detected throughout space. This water is the byproduct of the hydrogen/oxygen explosions caused by the impacting oxides in the Sun.

    So we can then look to the two objects in the sky as a source for religion.

    I believe the Moon is a more credible object for being the source for religion.
    The reason for this is that the Moon and the women have the same periods for a link between a physical object and a biological life form.
    This is a remarkable link. Both have a period of about 28 days. The Moons period around the Earth and the menstrual period of the woman.
    As a result, the women would see the image in the Moon as that of a fetus. This tells the women that they can be Creator Gods with the Mother and Child concept.
    This then represents the ‘Origin of Religion.

    But the Moon also has phase changes that make a great calendar.
    The fertile periods of women are only ten days, so they have eighteen days to avoid pregnancies.
    This then gives them the concept of ‘family planning’.

    The Sun on the other hand teaches nothing.
    As a matter of fact, it is dangerous to stare at the Sun for a short extended period without protective lenses.

    So it is obvious that the Moon is the source for religion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo View Post
    So it is obvious that the Moon is the source for religion.
    Well I wouldn't say it's that obvious.


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    The first mention of a God is written in the Bible, the first verse: "In the beginning God"...

    Ra is a spawn of Nimron after the dispersion of the languages from Babel. most people at one point in time worshipped Nimrod and his mother/wife Semiramis, under one language: Nimrod was this sun god in which the people given the egyptian language worshipped. People of that day banded who could understand one another and fled to the outer regions of the world and populated it. All nationalities have a sun god stemming from the original.
     

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    So you think the handing out of languages at Babel was a real event?
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    Yes sir. I believe
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by lot2do View Post
    Yes sir. I believe
    Why? You believe on faith alone, and for the same reasons that others believe in different gods and in different stories. They too believe on faith alone. Why is this approach one you have chosen, and why don't you care that your approach is very likely inaccurate?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo View Post
    The first mention of a GOD was the Egyptian Sun GOD RA.
    I suggest we make a distinction between monotheism and polytheism. Shintoists may speak of gods with quite differnt meaning than Protestants.

    The "trick" that spawned monotheism was that the one god, in contrast to others, was indescribable and therefore immune to criticism and beyond compare. I believe it began with the god Amun - of Ethiopian origin - which is "the hidden one" or "hidden truth". Visitors to the religion forum know the futility of arguing against a truth by definition hidden! In Egypt the elusive Amun linked with awesome Ra to form Amun-Ra i.e. the hidden god in the sky, the invisible truth above. Practical monotheism ensued. The fad eventually splintered into soap opera traditional to polytheism, but apparently the Hebrews ran with Amun. They improved the "trick" by not only refusing to depict the god - they refused to name it! It was just the baldfaced Truth.

    Because the competative success of monotheism depended on the god being non-debatable, I'd be surprised to find plain references to it.
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    the origin of religion was when the metaphors that the wise had been using to teach the young began to be taken literally.
    (but it goes even deeper than that. I think even ones own thoughts can be mistakenly taken literally)


    greek gods go much further back than ra or any egyptian gods that I know of.
    Chronos (Mazda) is usually said to be first
    (actually Hydros goes even further back)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lot2do View Post
    Yes sir. I believe
    While that's interesting it does not seem to be a scientific view. Or do you have some reasonable evidence or testable hypothesis? It is quite clear from the archaeological evidence that humans were distributed throughout Asia, Africa, the America's and Australia and Europe in near prehistory and at no time in the past 80,000 years centered on any one area. Nor did humans they have the global trade or communications which might have consolidated language.

    You are entitled to your beliefs lot2do but here you should make efforts to stay within the brackets of scientific discussion to remain within its guidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo View Post
    s Origin of Religion

    The first mention of a GOD was the Egyptian Sun GOD RA.
    You might want to look up Sumerian texts before you make that assumption, and you can't also assume that 4,000 years ago was the beginning of religion.

    Anything mystical, the moon, the sun etc can be interpreted to be a 'god'. By all standards if one was to go back in time with half of the contents of my living room I'd be considered a god. There is nothing fantaful about it. The wind is often seen as a god, whatever could not be explained was the work of a/the god(s).
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    Given that nearly every culture we've studied including those without writing, and hunter gatherer societies had some form of religion, it's probably a bad assumption to assume religion started with development of agriculture. It seems far more likely it's been part of our species for tens of thousands of years, possibly even predating humans.
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    Faith is a gift, A power given and not taken. Man cannot conjure up faith on his own.

    You must have alot of faith to believe you originated from a rock. or a period smaller than that at the end of this sentence.

    There is no element that has that density in existance, (so it is pure religious theory taught as fact) and your science is your religion. The college professors are your high priests of this dangerous religion of extreme hatred and slaughter to which evolution is the religion of annilationism. (eugenics). Is this a scientific study of religion? ever wonder why kind shoot one another in schools? "it doesnt matter were all just animals anyway". This attitude is what is taught in schools now completely turning away from the ten commandments, and most notably "thou shalt not kill" and "love thy neighbor". so if you want to why the Columbine shooters did what they did, Guess they never believed the bible did they. do you wnat to know why Hitler did what he did, Or Carl Marx, or Stalin? Compare the two; Bible/Evolution and see where evil lies in the hearts of men! One of the shooters at columbine was wearing a shirt saying "natural selection", and it wasn't a beer ad. Gentleman, Evolution is the breeding ground for every crackpot notion of murder. Should I further exhort this, or can you take the theology of evolution to its end on you own?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by lot2do View Post
    Faith is a gift, A power given and not taken. Man cannot conjure up faith on his own.

    You must have alot of faith to believe you originated from a rock. or a period smaller than that at the end of this sentence.

    There is no element that has that density in existance, (so it is pure religious theory taught as fact) and your science is your religion. The college professors are your high priests of this dangerous religion of extreme hatred and slaughter to which evolution is the religion of annilationism. (eugenics). Is this a scientific study of religion? ever wonder why kind shoot one another in schools? "it doesnt matter were all just animals anyway". This attitude is what is taught in schools now completely turning away from the ten commandments, and most notably "thou shalt not kill" and "love thy neighbor". so if you want to why the Columbine shooters did what they did, Guess they never believed the bible did they. do you wnat to know why Hitler did what he did, Or Carl Marx, or Stalin? Compare the two; Bible/Evolution and see where evil lies in the hearts of men! One of the shooters at columbine was wearing a shirt saying "natural selection", and it wasn't a beer ad. Gentleman, Evolution is the breeding ground for every crackpot notion of murder. Should I further exhort this, or can you take the theology of evolution to its end on you own?
    lot2do this is trolling and has nothing to do with the scientific study of religion. Read the guidelines for the subforum here: http://www.thescienceforum.com/scien...ion-forum.html

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    What we see initially are figurines and cave art from the Upper Paleolithic. Also, we have scanty evidence of Neandertal burials. Whether or not these represent early religion is unknown. Later we see things such as Chinchorro mummies (circa 5000 BC) and then Egyptian mummies, which are more solid evidence of reverence for the dead and some attribute that to religion (especially since later peoples, such as the Inka, had a cult of the dead and worshipped fallen leaders).
     

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    The pharisees also threatend Peter and John, What you call science, I call religion.
    this is nothing new to be threatend.

    You are also assuming that Science of your interpretation is the basis or the standard by which all things exist and should be judged. Your statement is extremely pride filled on the grounds of evolution,

    now if i'm guilty of trolling, I'll leave. In my analysis of evolutions theology; one comes to conclusion that I have stated and arrives at believing that it is a full on religion with all the bells and whistles.

    my religion says that the bombadier beetle was made, your religion of "science" says that the beetle was evolved.
    I would hate to be an evolving bombadier beetle. There would not be any they would have blown them selves up before they started.

    I am a Christian, if you want to scientifically study christianity, here I am. No study should or ever should be one sided for the sake of the study, If there is a question; ask. I wont bite. If you post a false claim of the word, I correct. If you are offended, your loss.
     

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    I am offended by senseless posts with zero backing. You are merely proselytizing, and (unless the new owners really changed them in a significant way) that's against the rules.
     

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    The first God ever was Uggabuggabugler, worshipped by the Homo habilis people of 2 million years ago.

    Now go ahead. Prove me wrong!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    The first God ever was Uggabuggabugler, worshipped by the Homo habilis people of 2 million years ago.
    I believe in Uggabuggabugler. My faith alone is sufficient evidence. Now, where's the temple?
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    The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the One True God. Partake of the Holy Sauce of the Spaghetti Monster (parmesan optional) with a side of garlic bread.
     

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    Any attempt at scientific discussion in this thread, which was marginal to begin with, seems to have been abandoned. I'm locking it.
     

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