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  1. #201 This miserable tactic 
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    Skinwalker, I almost didn't bother to answer your reply, however for the benefit of new members, I will say this


    When I present a case for ID I am met with a personal attack, the authors of malicious minds cannot mount a civil commonsense rebuttal.I have noted that a common tactic of anti religious folk, typically devoted secular humanists, are to debase the person not the idea.

    This miserable tactic has worked for the last 100 years or so it gets used and abused, as it is a lazy way to debate and is not productive.
    This tactic is a weak excuse used by SH to cover up their lack of a creditable defense against ID, or any theory that differs from their own terminal paradigm(s).

    Example;Give some proof that a god (or a designer) exists ...

    (man this is getting tiresome) NOTHING BEGINS TO EXIST WITHOUT A CAUSE, THE UNIIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST (FROM NOTHING) SO, THE UNIVERSE) MUST HAVE A CAUSE. (Later it will need a mechanism)

    THE CAUSE WAS A DESIGNER OR GOD OR GOD THE INTELLGENT DESIGNER, (GID) OR EVEN A ADVANCED ET DID IT (AS IN GOD DID IT) , Sorry for the caps apparently the secular humanists here are nearly blind, and haven’t to my knowledge ADDRESSED THIS WITHOUT MILICIOUS CONTENT,unless missed it, which is entirly possible, in which case kindly point me to the correct # of the reply and we will talk about it.
    thats all folks, and remember; cause and effect, its the way of the universe, to understand the universe is to understand GID.

    godspeed to you, skinwalker,

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    Ps ….concerning your SC it sounds Native American , are you not aware that the first Americans were highly religious, and if you offended the Great Spirit they may torture and eat you? Hell even Christians wouldn’t eat you…torture is another thing entirely…heh
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    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    Skinwalker, I almost didn't bother to answer your reply, however for the benefit of new members, I will say this
    And for the benefit of new members and lurking guests, I'll refute.


    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    When I present a case for ID I am met with a personal attack, the authors of malicious minds cannot mount a civil commonsense rebuttal.
    First, you have yet to present a case for ID that is logical or reasoned. Indeed, no one has -which is among the failings of ID itself.

    Second, much of what you deem "personal attack" is criticism of your beliefs. Though, I admit that there is some bit of general ridicule, to which I've been party with my nutter/nutbar comments -though these generally (but, admittedly, not always) directed to a larger population. Still, you certainly cannot expect these to be absent when you, yourself, use many derisive and pejorative remarks in your anti-science rants.

    I think much of what you see as "personal attack" is fair criticism.

    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    I have noted that a common tactic of anti religious folk, typically devoted secular humanists, are to debase the person not the idea.
    Interestingly enough, you abuse the very fallacy you are criticizing in this very sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    This miserable tactic has worked for the last 100 years or so it gets used and abused, as it is a lazy way to debate and is not productive.
    This tactic is a weak excuse used by SH to cover up their lack of a creditable defense against ID, or any theory that differs from their own terminal paradigm(s).
    Its very much the opposite. ID has zero evidence or rational argument. None of the assertions of ID are based upon reasoned or logical foundation. If I'm wrong, start a thread or present them in an appropriate open thread. Every single assertion by the 'intelligent' design crowd has been thoroughly refuted and debunked. Every single one. I challenge you to present the one that hasn't. But the anti-science nutters have no problem using arguments from ignorance, false dichotomies, and non sequiturs in their failed attempts to argue the validity of ID. Your paragraph above is no exception.

    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    (man this is getting tiresome) NOTHING BEGINS TO EXIST WITHOUT A CAUSE, THE UNIIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST (FROM NOTHING) SO, THE UNIVERSE) MUST HAVE A CAUSE. (Later it will need a mechanism)
    Using caps lock does little to present this as anything more than a false dichotomy: a common logical fallacy with IDer's. They don't know what "caused" the universe, so their supernatural being must therefore be true. The fact is, there is no positive argument *for* ID being presented here. This argument fails. Miserably.
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    NOTHING BEGINS TO EXIST WITHOUT A CAUSE, THE UNIIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST (FROM NOTHING) SO, THE UNIVERSE) MUST HAVE A CAUSE
    then what cause does the ngod have to exist?

    THE CAUSE WAS A DESIGNER OR GOD OR GOD THE INTELLGENT DESIGNER, (GID) OR EVEN A ADVANCED ET DID IT (AS IN GOD DID IT)
    same thing, that reasoning brakes down by itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    cause and effect, its the way of the universe,
    So, as Zelos asked, what caused God?
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    I CANNOT RESPOND IN AN UNCENSORED MANNER., THEREFORE ANY REPLY FROM ME WOULD BE COMPRIMISED AND , WELL, NOT MY RESPONSE!

    IT WOULD BE THE MODERATORS CRAFTED RESPONSE, WHICH WOULD BENIFIT NO ONE.
    SO, I AM ON A SELF IMPOSED RADICIAL SABIATTICAL FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD OF THAT BIZARRE STUFF CALLED TIME!

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    with other words you dont have a answer
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

    On the eighth day Zelos said: 'Let there be darkness,' and the light was never again seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    I CANNOT RESPOND IN AN UNCENSORED MANNER., THEREFORE ANY REPLY FROM ME WOULD BE COMPRIMISED AND , WELL, NOT MY RESPONSE!

    IT WOULD BE THE MODERATORS CRAFTED RESPONSE, WHICH WOULD BENIFIT NO ONE.
    SO, I AM ON A SELF IMPOSED RADICIAL SABIATTICAL FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD OF THAT BIZARRE STUFF CALLED TIME!

    REGUARDS


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    Right. The "man" is out to get you, eh?


    The only thing that gets moderated around here are direct insults, adverts, illegal content, double posts, or off-topic content (which usually gets split from the thread and moved to its own).

    Surely you're able to craft a logical response or argument that doesn't include one of these.

    The reality is, instead of allowing yourself to be forced into using logic or reason to support your anti-science rhetoric, you're willing to make baseless accusations of "censorship."

    As far as I'm concerned, you've offended me, my peers, and every member of The Science Forum with that post above and you can depart this forum never to return. But you do so without a "ban," as you haven't earned that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    Quote Originally Posted by REV ROSWELL
    (man this is getting tiresome) NOTHING BEGINS TO EXIST WITHOUT A CAUSE, THE UNIIVERSE BEGAN TO EXIST (FROM NOTHING) SO, THE UNIVERSE) MUST HAVE A CAUSE. (Later it will need a mechanism)
    Using caps lock does little to present this as anything more than a false dichotomy: a common logical fallacy with IDer's. They don't know what "caused" the universe, so their supernatural being must therefore be true. The fact is, there is no positive argument *for* ID being presented here. This argument fails. Miserably.
    Not to mention the fact that it's a fallacy of composition of the worst kind. Just because all events IN the universe have a cause, you can't infer that the universe ITSELF is subject to that same rule.

    And I agree completely with Skinwalker. If you can't make a rational, logical case for ID and answer his assertion that *all* such attempts have been debunked, then don't complain about unfair treatment because he's absolutely right. There are no logical or rational arguments for ID and if all you have is rhetoric, accusations, insults, and ignorance, then by all means take a break. A long one. Try and dig up some arguments for ID while you're gone that haven't been debunked for years now to rebutt Skinwalker's (correct) position.
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    i agree with 200% on the 2 above posts
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

    On the eighth day Zelos said: 'Let there be darkness,' and the light was never again seen.

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    Um, why are you yelling for? It is so annoying to read post written
    totally in capital...

    It always gives an expression that the writer is totally clueless
    of his subject so he tries to hide the lack of information behind
    highlighted words.
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    writing with caps on a forum is synomys(spelled?) with yelling, when you write
    BASTARD
    you is yelling bastard
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

    On the eighth day Zelos said: 'Let there be darkness,' and the light was never again seen.

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    Sorry, i was unclear in my use of profanity. The main use of this was to make the attack on zelos more effective. I do not swear often, i did not intend to insult children, but rather i was trying to get zelos into an arguement in hopes of teaching he(and i included) a lesson about people. I apologize for the brilliant third graders on this forum. I was hoping that zelos would send me a message, one that i have yet to recieve. It' ssad to see that someone so bent on being shocking for achieving attention, has resorted to such at the expense of others. I believe my actions were hypocritical due to my recent remarks, but i feel these to be justiying because of my intent to learn from this, and becuause i did this for others well being. Being concise is not my forte, and i once again take back my original lewd comments. thanks
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    dont try teaching me anything about people, i simply cant understand people :wink:
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

    On the eighth day Zelos said: 'Let there be darkness,' and the light was never again seen.

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    ha. ok deal. I got humbled, and everyone got a laugh!
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