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Thread: Infinity Can Be Qauntified (Really!)

  1. #1 Infinity Can Be Qauntified (Really!) 
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    The standard view of infinity as an unknown element, or an element that can be Ignored, or used as a mathematical "sink hole" for variations in the formulas, is now not only at risk of being redefined, but is (in actuality) a "past tense" subject matter..

    Infinity has been quantified (made to do actual work) as I can attest to this, as in the physics realm, it can help to answer issues with current dynamically oriented systems such as dealing with the quantum barriers, and Quantum entanglement, as well as mechanical issues..

    Quite Honestly, this process affects/effects a severely "wide" range of Scientific directions.. So I thought it best to post this here in the Physics realm first.. then if could post it to other forum treads (if the need arises)..

    Moving this to the realm of Pseudo Science (when in fact it is applicable to this thread) would be....."Ill Advised", as denigration of the concept is expected by an unlimited number of others out there in the cyber world, To regulate it to the status of A Pseudo Applicative, would in fact, also be invalidating many (if not all) the equations, and or scientific operatives we use today, as it is grounded in solid mathematical principles taught to every University "PHD"..

    First A Link to a video of it as a realized model, using standard mathematical principles..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgKKz...el_video_title

    Then a simple Poll... On this thread..


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    Infinity is not a number, it is a 'concept'. It can never be quantified or quantised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by x(x-y)
    Infinity is not a number, it is a 'concept'. It can never be quantified or quantised.
    Interesting.. I Actually then have done exactly what you say cannot be done..
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrataFire
    Quote Originally Posted by x(x-y)
    Infinity is not a number, it is a 'concept'. It can never be quantified or quantised.
    Interesting.. I Actually then have done exactly what you say cannot be done..
    Prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by x(x-y)
    Quote Originally Posted by StrataFire
    Quote Originally Posted by x(x-y)
    Infinity is not a number, it is a 'concept'. It can never be quantified or quantized.
    Interesting.. I Actually then have done exactly what you say cannot be done..
    Prove it.
    Umm.. Did you see the video of the actual product in motion?

    Or how about the basic primers off 3D mathematics based on the application of QI (Quantified Infinity)


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    I'm going to click the link now, note my posts were before you actually posted the video.
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    Where's the math?
    I watched three of your crappy non-infomercials, are you sane?
    This really need's to go to pseudo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil
    Where's the math?
    I watched three of your crappy non-infomercials, are you sane?
    This really need's to go to pseudo.
    Informercials (lol) .. The "Math" is what is used to produce the "results" you see.. in fact under your current statement then, every type of dynamic principles, that require "computer modeling" should also be regulated to the pseudo bin as well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrataFire
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil
    Where's the math?
    I watched three of your crappy non-infomercials, are you sane?
    This really need's to go to pseudo.
    Informercials (lol) .. The "Math" is what is used to produce the "results" you see.. in fact under your current statement then, every type of dynamic principles, that require "computer modeling" should also be regulated to the pseudo bin as well..
    Hmmm... Video of flashlight beam termini on colored circles accompanied by cheesy public domain synthetic beats. It's obviously a joke, but I still don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil
    Quote Originally Posted by StrataFire
    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil
    Where's the math?
    I watched three of your crappy non-infomercials, are you sane?
    This really need's to go to pseudo.
    Informercials (lol) .. The "Math" is what is used to produce the "results" you see.. in fact under your current statement then, every type of dynamic principles, that require "computer modeling" should also be regulated to the pseudo bin as well..
    Hmmm... Video of flashlight beam termini on colored circles accompanied by cheesy public domain synthetic beats. It's obviously a joke, but I still don't get it.
    Cheesy Music is based on demographic targeting (younger generation) quite honestly I could do these without the music (preferably) however that limits the generational targeting scope quite a bit nowadays..

    They are in Fact "Not" circles in design (they were flattened for consideration on my antiquated equipment)..

    Here are two snapshots of what they look like when I use vectorization..


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    Hello. I dont know a lot of math frankly.

    But I have a simple question given that you really havr quantified infinity.

    Can you give me the largest real number?

    (And I will just add 1 to it :wink: )
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    You can discuss ratios within an infinitely large system.

    IE. out of an infinite number of people, it is still possible that 25% of them have brown hair, and 10% of them have red hair. So, even though the number of people in the set with brown hair is infinity, and the number of people in the set with red hair is infinity, there are still more people in the set with brown hair than red hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    You can discuss ratios within an infinitely large system.

    IE. out of an infinite number of people, it is still possible that 25% of them have brown hair, and 10% of them have red hair. So, even though the number of people in the set with brown hair is infinity, and the number of people in the set with red hair is infinity, there are still more people in the set with brown hair than red hair.
    Rather, there is a greater probability that an individual picked at random will have brown hair. Saying there will be more people with brown hair doesn't make sense
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    True, since despite the probability of finding one being smaller, you could always find 1 red-head for every brown-haired person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    You can discuss ratios within an infinitely large system.

    IE. out of an infinite number of people, it is still possible that 25% of them have brown hair, and 10% of them have red hair. So, even though the number of people in the set with brown hair is infinity, and the number of people in the set with red hair is infinity, there are still more people in the set with brown hair than red hair.
    Rather, there is a greater probability that an individual picked at random will have brown hair. Saying there will be more people with brown hair doesn't make sense
    I guess that would explain why the OP wants to apply it to QM. I can't really follow his/her reasoning, so I'm not sure what he/she is trying to say exactly, but in QM a probability is usually sufficient.

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    True, since despite the probability of finding one being smaller, you could always find 1 red-head for every brown-haired person.
    That's true if you search in a way that ignores the number of additional brown haired people you meet along the way to finding each redhead. However if you do count them, then as you moved through the set looking for redheads, you would continually amass a bigger and bigger collection of brown-haired people. There's no point in your search at which you would ever find you had met an equal number of both (unless it happened really early on).
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    No, but at the same time, you'll always eventually be able to pair every brown-haired person you meet with a red-head. Infinities are weird. Check out the Infinite Hotel (if you haven't already read about it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    That's true if you search in a way that ignores the number of additional brown haired people you meet along the way to finding each redhead. However if you do count them, then as you moved through the set looking for redheads, you would continually amass a bigger and bigger collection of brown-haired people. There's no point in your search at which you would ever find you had met an equal number of both (unless it happened really early on).
    But then, both tallies would be infinite. It's a little bit weird to try and say that one infinity is bigger than another...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiMaster
    Infinities are weird. Check out the Infinite Hotel (if you haven't already read about it).
    My brain hurts.
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    If we are not careful how we approach infinities, we could easily convince ourselves that an infinitely large pool of water would not contain 2 hydrogen atoms per oxygen atom, and therefore would cease to have the chemical properties of water.



    Quote Originally Posted by MagiMaster
    No, but at the same time, you'll always eventually be able to pair every brown-haired person you meet with a red-head. Infinities are weird. Check out the Infinite Hotel (if you haven't already read about it).
    Ask yourself what happens as you traverse the set. You start with a brown haired person, whom you wish to pair with a redhead. On the way to encountering that redhead, you meet 2.5 (on average) more brown haired people. Now you have 2.5 brown haired people in need of a redhead to pair with, so you go find 2.5 redheads, in the process, encountering 6.25 more brown haired people....etc What happens over time is your que of unpaired brown haired people just keeps growing and growing.

    In theory, each brown haired person in that line will eventually be paired to a redhead. However, as the que's length grows toward infinity, that eventual pairing becomes further and further away, until at the limit of infinity the que is infinitely long and therefore will not be completed.
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    There's no such thing as "the limit of infinity." You continue to treat it like it's a real number, but it is not. One can discuss real numbers as they approach infinity, but one cannot treat infinity as a proper set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    There's no such thing as "the limit of infinity." You continue to treat it like it's a real number, but it is not. One can discuss real numbers as they approach infinity, but one cannot treat infinity as a proper set.
    Actually, you can treat cardinal numberes as equivalence classes of sets. There are LOTS of infinities in the cardinal numbers, and they are handled rigorously.

    You can also handle infinity in the context of the extended real numbers or the projective line.

    Mathematicians work with the infinite on a regular basis. There is no mystery.

    What you cannot do is handle infinity in the context of a field, like the real or complex numbers, in any sensible way.

    The majority seems to have voted that "this guy is an idiot", and that is probably the most appropriate of the offered options, but it is a bit of an insult to idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    There's no such thing as "the limit of infinity." You continue to treat it like it's a real number, but it is not. One can discuss real numbers as they approach infinity, but one cannot treat infinity as a proper set.
    Yeah. That's what I meant to say.

    L -> infinity.

    You're right that infinity is only approached. It is never reached. As one approaches infinity, the length of the que would also approach infinity, just not quite as quickly as the total number of people you encounter does. (It would approach it faster than the number of redheads you meet does, however.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRocket
    What you cannot do is handle infinity in the context of a field, like the real or complex numbers, in any sensible way.
    Thank you. That is MUCH more precise than I said it, and conveys my intended point much less sloppily. I'd intended to come back and adjust my wording last night as I thought more about it, but fell asleep first. Appreciate it.
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    Infinity can only be applied to something that is growing or shrinking in an irregular fashion. Any other instance is finite or quantifiable by prediction/calculation.
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