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    Greenhouse effect, the bigger the better if there is enough water in the soil to evaporate.
    The study of the thermodynamics of the atmosphere shows that a portion of heated air, with an appropriate moisture content (vapor), to ascend into the atmosphere following a moist adiabatic,l surpassing the 500-hector-Pascal level where the greenhouse is divided 50% above and 50% below.
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    Evaporation from the soil does not really accomplish much as it is quickly replaced. It is sea evaporation that does more damage but even then, it comes down again as rain. It is said to be the gases like CO2 which really do the damage.

    But even in recent times (the last thousand years or so), it has been noticeably hotter than now with Greenland being green, grapes growing in the UK, etc. Yet the world did not end and there was not global flooding on the predicted scales.

    The problem is that the sun has "hot and not so hot" cycles and we have ice ages and heat ages. They come and go. The people we are relying on here are the people who cannot get next week's weather right and yet they are telling us what will happen in several decades time. And we have found that they can be dishonest as in omissions and direct lies.

    One good thing that has come out of this is the search for alternative fuels. We passed the half way mark for the world's oil resources a while ago and are using more every day so either we change or we go back to the Stone Age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberia
    The problem is that the sun has "hot and not so hot" cycles and we have ice ages and heat ages. They come and go. The people we are relying on here are the people who cannot get next week's weather right and yet they are telling us what will happen in several decades time.
    Predicting climate is different than predicting weather. If you draw a line on the wall at the shore of a beach, we may not be able to tell you exactly where the next wave will hit, or where one wave tomorrow will hit, but we can most certainly tell you what the average height of those waves will be over the next month or year or whatever. Similar with weather and climate.


    Further, the sun cannot be used to explain the current warming trends. More here:

    BASIC --> http://www.skepticalscience.com/sola...al-warming.htm
    INTERMEDIATE --> http://www.skepticalscience.com/sola...termediate.htm
    ADVANCED --> http://www.skepticalscience.com/sola...g-advanced.htm


    ...and here:


    Nature - No solar hiding place for greenhouse skeptics

    Sun not to blame for global warming.

    A study has confirmed that there are no grounds to blame the Sun for recent global warming. The analysis shows that global warming since 1985 has been caused neither by an increase in solar radiation nor by a decrease in the flux of galactic cosmic rays
    NATURE article in .pdf --> http://www.auger.org.ar/Auger_Sur/PD...uly%202007.pdf

    This paper is the final nail in the coffin for people who would like to make the Sun responsible for present global warming.


    An additional problem is that the temperature change leads, not lags, solar activity changes earlier in the 20th century.



    Solar variability certainly plays a minor role, but it looks like only a quarter of the recent variations can be attributed to the Sun.

    Global Warming - Research Issues






    I've found a wealth of knowledge at the following, so perhaps you can catch yourself up too!


    RealClimate - Recent Warming But No Trend in Galactic Cosmic Rays
    RealClimate - A critique on Veizer’s Celestial Climate Driver
    RealClimate - The lure of solar forcing
    RealClimate - Did the Sun hit record highs over the last few decades?
    RealClimate - Another study on solar influence
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberia
    But even in recent times (the last thousand years or so), it has been noticeably hotter than now with Greenland being green, grapes growing in the UK, etc. Yet the world did not end and there was not global flooding on the predicted scales.
    You do realize Greenland was never really green and the viking colony there barely was able to eek out a marginal living from potatoes and short season oats; Greenland farming today is booming.

    There were also a few vineyards in Southern England during the Medieval Warm Period, but today there are more than 400, many of them award wining, and the first ever has started in Scotland.
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    I post a movie on Youtube for to explain my idea

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    escuse-me, bat my english is very bad
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    If You d'ont understand "portuguese", dounload a text.doc tranlated by google in this URL

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    tjdavila, we generally prefer it when our users engage in discussion here on the forum rather than just give links directing traffic elsewhere. It's not such a big deal if you write a substantive post and then use links as backup to your points, but one terse line and a self-serving link is a bit cheeky.
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