Thread: Using the golden ratio to encode information.

I think the golden ratio simply may be useful in encoding large amounts of information, like the human mind or reality as we know it into a computer. If nature does it it must be good.

Originally Posted by Twit of wit

Just a thought. I saw on television once that one day we may be able to live in a virtual reality inside of a computer and do whatever. Things like the universe or the human mind are complex so we would need a way to encode it all into a computer neatly. Using the golden ratio as some sort of mathematical base for encoding everything into a computer sounds like a good first step to me.

yeah... This is simply bullshit. I'm sorry, the golden ratio is just a number, nothing more, nothing less. There is no "use" to using it to encode information that or e doesn't have. Hell, atleast the latter aren't representable by a simple algebraic expression. the golden ration, or , is equal to . Try representing pi or e that way.

I've seen the golden ratio used in a search function for databases, but not to encode data.

Originally Posted by jrmonroe

I've seen the golden ratio used in a search function for databases, but not to encode data.

It is also a common misconception that the Star of David is a hexagram. It isn't, and uses the golden ratio.

The Star of David contains the "Golden ratio."

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from Addendum to the Third Article on the Ghost of Jehanne D'Arc:



Notice if they were equilateral triangles, the inner circle would touch six intersections of the triangles, not just two.

I am amazed at nearly all postings being wrong about the Star of David. Almost all sites I find are referring to it as a hexagram, or equilateral triangles.

Revisionist history? The star of David is created by circling two squares, and then placing in two triangles. The sides of the triangles are only 95.1057% of the base. These are not equilateral triangles, therefore, it is not a hexagram.

I was thinking you could attempt to recreate the universe we live in inside a computer using the golden ratio, by recreating the big bang, with what knowledge of the universes forces we have, to basically create the world branching out mathematically through the golden ratio out of the base forces of nature, like the electromagnetic forces. Please have a mathematician or physicist figure out the rest if you interested, I cant help you much more here concerning my idea here. Thanks!

Well, I am physicist, and it doesn't make any sense to me.

Originally Posted by mmatt9876

I was thinking you could attempt to recreate the universe we live in inside a computer using the golden ratio, by recreating the big bang, with what knowledge of the universes forces we have, to basically create the world branching out mathematically through the golden ratio out of the base forces of nature, like the electromagnetic forces. Please have a mathematician or physicist figure out the rest if you interested, I cant help you much more here concerning my idea here. Thanks!

mmatt, are you just vomiting out brain turds at random? I haven't visited the forum for a while, but do you realise you are talking nonsense? This is a science forum - or was on my last visit - and deals with science, not wishy washy, touchy feely, tree hugging, make a vague noise with your vocal chords fairytales.

I just can't begin to imagine how you would come up with such a bizarre series of linakges. It must be really interesting living inside your head. Unproductive, pointless, but interesting.

Originally Posted by mmatt9876

I was thinking you could attempt to recreate the universe we live in inside a computer using the golden ratio, by recreating the big bang, with what knowledge of the universes forces we have, to basically create the world branching out mathematically through the golden ratio out of the base forces of nature, like the electromagnetic forces. Please have a mathematician or physicist figure out the rest if you interested, I cant help you much more here concerning my idea here. Thanks!

You're reading too much into what the golden ratio is. It's not a system. It's just an equation. You can only use systems to store information.

Some people think the golden ratio is encoded into much of the life in the world. Note that this means it is encoded into the life. Not the other way around. The life forms aren't encoded into it.

Originally Posted by John Galt

Originally Posted by mmatt9876

I was thinking you could attempt to recreate the universe we live in inside a computer using the golden ratio, by recreating the big bang, with what knowledge of the universes forces we have, to basically create the world branching out mathematically through the golden ratio out of the base forces of nature, like the electromagnetic forces. Please have a mathematician or physicist figure out the rest if you interested, I cant help you much more here concerning my idea here. Thanks!

mmatt, are you just vomiting out brain turds at random? I haven't visited the forum for a while, but do you realise you are talking nonsense? This is a science forum - or was on my last visit - and deals with science, not wishy washy, touchy feely, tree hugging, make a vague noise with your vocal chords fairytales.

I just can't begin to imagine how you would come up with such a bizarre series of linakges. It must be really interesting living inside your head. Unproductive, pointless, but interesting.

I thoroughly agree with this statement

Probably true, but there's no point in being mean. He might honestly have a mental condition.

Originally Posted by kojax

Probably true, but there's no point in being mean. He might honestly have a mental condition.

I agree Galt's remarks are a little over the top, but the underlying thesis is valid: mmatt's statements make no sense at all.

Far more people read these threads than participate in them. I for one always feel a sense of responsibility to ensure that my posts are as accurate as possible. (I still feel acutely embarrassed that I made a statment the other day where I claimed there were no radioactive isotopes of gold. I think it was Arcane who picked me up on that.) That desire for accuracy extends to errors in the posts of others. Many lurkers on the site are young and new to the world of science. If nonsense of the type that mmatt posts goes unchallenged those lurkers may develop a distorted view of science. That would be a loss.