Thread: is there a beginning?

Logic dictates that everything has to have a beginning and an end. But can the universe have a beginning and an end? One of the most hardened laws of physics states that matter can neither be gained nor lost. If the universe did have a beginning, than it would be defying the laws of physics the universe is bound to. Or, if it has to have a beginning, than that would mean that the matter in the universe, as well as the universe, would have had to appear out of nowhere(or somewhere?). So that would mean that it is possible for matter to appear out of thin air. So, can there be a beginning to our universe?




If and when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

There is no law about matter being gained or lost. There is conservation of energy: energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Originally Posted by gravityguru

Logic dictates that everything has to have a beginning and an end.

Uh... show me that logic..?

Originally Posted by Waveman28

There is no law about matter being gained or lost. There is conservation of energy: energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Energy mass equivalence.

Thus you can infer conservation of matter/energy.

Originally Posted by sox

Energy mass equivalence.

Thus you can infer conservation of matter/energy.

Indeed, but my point was that matter can be destroyed, he seems to think otherwise.

what makes you think that matter can be gained and lost? what instance does this actually happen in real life?

Originally Posted by gravityguru

what makes you think that matter can be gained and lost? what instance does this actually happen in real life?

The faster you move, the more your mass increases. Additionally, matter at some point in the past must have been created, or it simply would not exist.

so if the milky way galaxy is traveling in a direction(speed relative to the galaxies around us is between 300 K/s to over 1,000 K/s. the fact it is traveling at all is all that's important. why is the speed of light the same inside our galaxy regardless of the fact the galaxy is moving and spinning? if the speed of light were relative to the universe than we would notice a significant difference in the speed of light depending on which direction it was traveling. but we dont. this indicates that whatever is causing the restriction to the speed of light is moving relative to our galaxy. this indicates that the aether is the restrictor on the light. if the aether is moving relative to our galaxy that means it is not in a fixed position but it is moving like a fluid. that is why the michealson and morley experiment produced data significantly less than they expected. this is because the aether in our solar system is spinning with us. look at this picture. imagine that this is what our solar system looks like without seeing the planets. the aether is spiroling with us. http://www.spiralwishingwells.com/gu...whirlpool2.jpg

Isn`t that this way - You cant destroy matter, but you can break it into smaller pieces and those pieces into even smaller ones and so on? - Its how i have understood it - correct me if Im wrong.

yes. and over a long enough time these pieces will be all the same size. like a rock tumbler effect. im not sure if there is a base size that cant get any smaller though. not really any evidence pointing either or.

Even if there was a beginning that doest mean that everything came from nothing. maybe everything came from everything.

Well now, might we all not be better off asking the questions we stand a chance of answering, rather than those that will just leave us a day's swim up the bayou with alligators a snappin' at our heels?

lmao