# Thread: Quasar jet stream Faster than light FTL motion data needed

1. I am so sorry for the first video(s) you saw of me asking this question. I had quit smoking and was suffering extreme withdrawal.

Here is a better video of the hypothesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqYrqQIaAU

Quasar jet streams (QJS) have been exhibiting Faster than light motion since they were first discovered by radio astronomy a long time ago. The Narrow Angle model, (NA Model) has been used to describe this motion for some time, this only works for Quasar Jet Streams (QJS) at 19 degrees line of sight. Then we discovered QJS at up to 43 degrees line of sight, we were stumped, how can this be happening. Now we describe it using a model that some what complicated. General Theory of Relativity states that Space time was created in the creation of the universe, no more is being made apparently. But what if Black holes were creating Space time, what if a relationship between matter energy and space time exists, in a conundrum what can matter exist in, it can exist in side of it's self, how about this as a hypothesis, can black holes create space time?

I just need Quasar Jet Stream data to write a simple description of this FTL motion. Nothing in this universe, NOTHING that we describe is RIGHT, it is only right for the times we live in and the data available to us at that time. So all that we know over time WILL be replaced with greater knowledge and description's aka (Theory's).

Does any one want to work together on writing a description of Quasar Jet Stream (FTL) motion using the data available from the Very Large Array (VLA) and the VLBA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Long_Baseline_Array . I would think this FTL motion root equation could perhaps be described as V = mc^3, (V being (volume)), think about it, the universe is still expanding, where does the Space time come from???? The Space Time Fairy??? But who's to say Yay or Nay till the data is plugged into it and can it predict motion from other Quasar Jet Streams, Or NOT, if not then it doesn't work and perhaps another equation can be used but at least the V = mc^3 can be ruled out. Remember Every description over time is replaced with another description as more data becomes available to us, so keep an open mind. The NA Model must be included in the description as well.

If you don't believe FTL motion exists as an illusion which I feel it is, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_motion Since Nothing can go faster than light, what if the QJS are traveling in a space time Jet Stream. As energy goes into a BH space time is created. V=mc^3??? All I need is the data, if that equation doesn't work I (or you) can try another. Want to work together on it, I just need good data, but can't afford a subscription to Nature and they have the best articles, if you have data please share it.

Thanks,

2.

3. Kevin,

You can search for Nature articles via Google Scholar which should give you free abstracts at least. Some older papers may also have free access. If there's a particular paper you really want, someone with access might give you a copy if you ask for it.

4. Thanks so much, I will have to swallow my pride go to the University and Speak face to face to a TA and see if I can get the Articles. Your right the Nature is only a summary but you taught me Google Scholer is great thank you I'm on it. I will do my best, but I am getting some actual support when I put up the new video!!!

Thanks Again

5. We do not understand the nature of the universe and we go about trying to make it as overly complex as we can at every opurtunity.

I highly doubt this would make sense but my ideas behind the very fabric of space being a giant particle field would totally jive with the idea that a black hole could in fact propel things to well beyond the speed of light if the black hole was in effect the abscence of the particle field which is the fabric of space.

We do not understand the nature of the universe.

Originally Posted by kevinmorais
I am so sorry for the first video(s) you saw of me asking this question. I had quit smoking and was suffering extreme withdrawal.

Here is a better video of the hypothesis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqYrqQIaAU

Quasar jet streams (QJS) have been exhibiting Faster than light motion since they were first discovered by radio astronomy a long time ago. The Narrow Angle model, (NA Model) has been used to describe this motion for some time, this only works for Quasar Jet Streams (QJS) at 19 degrees line of sight. Then we discovered QJS at up to 43 degrees line of sight, we were stumped, how can this be happening. Now we describe it using a model that some what complicated. General Theory of Relativity states that Space time was created in the creation of the universe, no more is being made apparently. But what if Black holes were creating Space time, what if a relationship between matter energy and space time exists, in a conundrum what can matter exist in, it can exist in side of it's self, how about this as a hypothesis, can black holes create space time?

I just need Quasar Jet Stream data to write a simple description of this FTL motion. Nothing in this universe, NOTHING that we describe is RIGHT, it is only right for the times we live in and the data available to us at that time. So all that we know over time WILL be replaced with greater knowledge and description's aka (Theory's).

Does any one want to work together on writing a description of Quasar Jet Stream (FTL) motion using the data available from the Very Large Array (VLA) and the VLBA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Long_Baseline_Array . I would think this FTL motion root equation could perhaps be described as V = mc^3, (V being (volume)), think about it, the universe is still expanding, where does the Space time come from???? The Space Time Fairy??? But who's to say Yay or Nay till the data is plugged into it and can it predict motion from other Quasar Jet Streams, Or NOT, if not then it doesn't work and perhaps another equation can be used but at least the V = mc^3 can be ruled out. Remember Every description over time is replaced with another description as more data becomes available to us, so keep an open mind. The NA Model must be included in the description as well.

If you don't believe FTL motion exists as an illusion which I feel it is, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_motion Since Nothing can go faster than light, what if the QJS are traveling in a space time Jet Stream. As energy goes into a BH space time is created. V=mc^3??? All I need is the data, if that equation doesn't work I (or you) can try another. Want to work together on it, I just need good data, but can't afford a subscription to Nature and they have the best articles, if you have data please share it.

Thanks,

6. Originally Posted by ParticleHater
We do not understand the nature of the universe.
Who ever said we did? Nobody in the scientific community is under that illusion.

7. Originally Posted by TheBiologista
Originally Posted by ParticleHater
We do not understand the nature of the universe.
Who ever said we did? Nobody in the scientific community is under that illusion.
ah huh.

8. TheBiologista, do you feel that that concept of black holes creating space time, even though it's science fiction from a truly scientific point of view, do you think or feel it's even hypothetically plausible?

Thank's,

Kevin

9. Originally Posted by kevinmorais
TheBiologista, do you feel that that concept of black holes creating space time, even though it's science fiction from a truly scientific point of view, do you think or feel it's even hypothetically plausible?

Thank's,

Kevin
Umm well what to do mean by space time ? Do you mean the space time as defined by GR or SGR ?

10. Originally Posted by ParticleHater
Originally Posted by TheBiologista
Originally Posted by ParticleHater
We do not understand the nature of the universe.
Who ever said we did? Nobody in the scientific community is under that illusion.
ah huh.
Ah huh what? By all means post us a link to the paper where physicists claim they've got it all figured out.

Originally Posted by kevinmorais
TheBiologista, do you feel that that concept of black holes creating space time, even though it's science fiction from a truly scientific point of view, do you think or feel it's even hypothetically plausible?

Thank's,

Kevin
Honestly, no idea. I'm not a physicist.

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