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  1. #1 Can Black holes create space time? 
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    Can black holes create space time? Here is an idea I would like people to help me prove or disprove. Writing it is difficult so I made a video. PLEASE please help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinmorais
    Can black holes create space time? Here is an idea I would like people to help me prove or disprove. Writing it is difficult so I made a video. PLEASE please help.

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    I can sympathize with you in your quest for a proof here, and I can even believe you probably don't really expect a good answer. When you ask this question, are you thinking of a big bang? If so, I have a very different view of the big bang. See my post in the Astronomy & Cosmology section. Makeover For The Big Bang Standard Model Of Our Universe, and tell me what you think. This is still a work in progress, but I thought posting a rough draft might somehow help me come up with improvements. I have come up with improvements but not because of anybody else's help. I will be posting the improved version early next year. Anyway back on topic, I don't believe space-time started with the big bang, and black holes exist within space-time and therefore are not likely to be able to create space-time. I know that's not exactly proof, but sometimes inference is the best we can do until more data becomes available.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinmorais
    Can black holes create space time? Here is an idea I would like people to help me prove or disprove. Writing it is difficult so I made a video. PLEASE please help.

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    I'm not sure what you mean? If you mean the inside of a black hole being a univers on it's own. Hm.. The black hole having an enormous gravitational pull doesn't give any clue of what happens inside of it. If it's gravity inside would cancel out the outside gravity and function as a universe would have to have similar laws as we have. That means the gravity and everithing else would have to go through scaling ( speed of light would have a different value but still constant and everything else instantly). Inside a black hole we now possibly have another black hole with similar properties and on and on. On the other hand, if the outside matter reaching the inside of a black hole gets ripped apart because gravity is overwhelming the best scenario would be a plasma kind of state or maybe just total chaos. This is all speculation on my part. The fact is that no black hole explosion ever was caught (speculating on distant explosions is no proof). Acording to Hawkings, it is possible that they evaporate. So, I don't think any of these possibilities are very likely. If any could happen we are looking at the future of our own universe death. With an explosion we wouldn't know it but with evaporation we can't observe it because it's very slow. We don't have to worry about it in our lifetime anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance Wenban
    Quote Originally Posted by kevinmorais
    Can black holes create space time? Here is an idea I would like people to help me prove or disprove. Writing it is difficult so I made a video. PLEASE please help.

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    I can sympathize with you in your quest for a proof here, and I can even believe you probably don't really expect a good answer. When you ask this question, are you thinking of a big bang? If so, I have a very different view of the big bang. See my post in the Astronomy & Cosmology section. Makeover For The Big Bang Standard Model Of Our Universe, and tell me what you think. This is still a work in progress, but I thought posting a rough draft might somehow help me come up with improvements. I have come up with improvements but not because of anybody else's help. I will be posting the improved version early next year. Anyway back on topic, I don't believe space-time started with the big bang, and black holes exist within space-time and therefore are not likely to be able to create space-time. I know that's not exactly proof, but sometimes inference is the best we can do until more data becomes available.
    Sure Lance send me your theory I will look at it and tell you what I think. May take me a while to get back to you and hope you don't mind me nagging you with questions when I do reply. I will really study it if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varadinum
    Quote Originally Posted by kevinmorais
    Can black holes create space time? Here is an idea I would like people to help me prove or disprove. Writing it is difficult so I made a video. PLEASE please help.

    http://www.youtube.com/kevinmorais

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    I'm not sure what you mean? If you mean the inside of a black hole being a univers on it's own. Hm.. The black hole having an enormous gravitational pull doesn't give any clue of what happens inside of it. If it's gravity inside would cancel out the outside gravity and function as a universe would have to have similar laws as we have. That means the gravity and everithing else would have to go through scaling ( speed of light would have a different value but still constant and everything else instantly). Inside a black hole we now possibly have another black hole with similar properties and on and on. On the other hand, if the outside matter reaching the inside of a black hole gets ripped apart because gravity is overwhelming the best scenario would be a plasma kind of state or maybe just total chaos. This is all speculation on my part. The fact is that no black hole explosion ever was caught (speculating on distant explosions is no proof). Acording to Hawkings, it is possible that they evaporate. So, I don't think any of these possibilities are very likely. If any could happen we are looking at the future of our own universe death. With an explosion we wouldn't know it but with evaporation we can't observe it because it's very slow. We don't have to worry about it in our lifetime anyway.
    Here is what I was thinking along the lines of a black hole, forget the math for a moment, TO SIMPLIFY THIS I MUST STATE this is NOT REAL, just a cool idea to try.

    Basically what if space time had Mass, keep an open mind, this is cool, good for science fiction ok?

    As energy gets closer and closer to a black hole the tidal forces stretch it apart further and further. Till all that is left is space-time or time or what ever it is that matter and energy exist in. To simplify black hole theory I wondered why it can't just be space time or time or whatever inside the black hole, not matter or energy in the understanding that we define it but if I could stick my head in a black hole I would think it would be super cold, below absolute zero and nothing but space time. As energy falls into the Black hole it is pulled into tinier and smaller chunks of quanta, little packets of energy, till it gets to a certain point and becomes space time. Some space time goes int to the black hole and the other escapes, there for describing the motion of the quasar jet streams travailing faster than light. Since it was energy to begin with it has mass, aka it has gravity, but it is just space time inside the Black hole, an unbelievable amount and like I said it is colder than absolute zero. This is all theoritecal and theorys are a dime a dozen, but this I can actually test from the data from the quasar jet streams, this can actually be proved or disporved, all I need is the data, the math I am working on.
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    If i'm not mistaken, matter only exists because of time. If there was no matter time would not exist.

    e=mc2 to me means matter multiplied by a very big number = to energy; but matter is a unit of something with mass be it a gas, liquid, solid, all moving at a rate in time. So e=m/t , where matter/ time is equal to e. So further to say that matter is the same as energy with time.

    However I believe that energy without time exists and it will elude time and never diminish only change. And the only way to add time to energy is to create matter.

    Something out there must be creating matter from energy itself. Energy has always existed since it is outside of time, then always is a relative term and not in our comprehension.

    From what i know of the quantum theory, is it possible that black holes only draw in some types of positive parts of energy to fill their void and leave negative outside. And a negative in a negative space could form a positive such as light with heat added to it can turn into a gas, in turn which may create a solar disk, and from these gasses we can have a recombination of matter. Poof here we are. Any comments send to mike. thanks.

    one more food for thought:
    Now what makes these black holes? it would make sense if there was white holes which i heard exist that then black holes would also come about. So if black holes create matter than white holes must be creating more black holes. The universe seems to always draw itself towards balance and yo yo back and forth as its method of achieving this. So this yo-yoing of black and white holes can create matter as a byproduct of achieving balance.

    Now what made the universe? Caused these black & white holes to exist! Caused them to be or to be created. i have no clue so i blame it on God
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikezpainter
    i have no clue so i blame it on God
    Why not just leave it at "I have no clue". Blaming stuff on God never advanced science one inch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBiologista
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    i have no clue so i blame it on God
    Why not just leave it at "I have no clue". Blaming stuff on God never advanced science one inch.
    it worked for newton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBiologista
    Quote Originally Posted by mikezpainter
    i have no clue so i blame it on God
    Why not just leave it at "I have no clue". Blaming stuff on God never advanced science one inch.
    it worked for newton.
    No it didn't. Deriving a set of explanatory equations based on Kepler's observations of the motion of planets was what worked for Newton. He didn't add or gain anything from crediting God for underlying his laws of motion and gravity. Except maybe social acceptance with the Christians who basically ran science at the time. That's not going to help much today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBiologista
    [No it didn't. Deriving a set of explanatory equations based on Kepler's observations of the motion of planets was what worked for Newton. He didn't add or gain anything from crediting God for underlying his laws of motion and gravity. Except maybe social acceptance with the Christians who basically ran science at the time. That's not going to help much today.
    Science should be without involving the existence of the unknown, e.g. "God" but that not necessarily means a bad thing. In my opinion, it's just an expression of frustration with subjects we don't fully understand. Science is here to stay. Since Galileo through Einstein and to the present that is the goal. Achievement of progress is not in footsteps of what we like to happen in an instant. It takes time and many of our lifetimes and will stay the same in our lifespan. It doesn't have to depend of any individual belief. It never did. It never stopped science to deal with spiritual human behavior. Individuals and freedom drives people to achieve greatness in any field. Spirituality, let's you sleep well at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by varadinum
    Individuals and freedom drives people to achieve greatness in any field. Spirituality, let's you sleep well at night.
    Not me. I sleep well at night due to fatigue (and my evolution as an animal which requires sleep). No spirituality required. I suppose spirituality might work for some, but then so does whiskey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    [Not me. I sleep well at night due to fatigue (and my evolution as an animal which requires sleep). No spirituality required. I suppose spirituality might work for some, but then so does whiskey.
    Then, you are well balanced, so am I. Spirits are not my requirement either ( unless they come mixed in ethanol forms and I don't mean gasoline). You know what I meant and I don't think this forum is the place to get a debate about it. But being sarcastic:
    "(and my evolution as an animal which requires sleep)". I never heard Kelly say that to me in the past 12 years.
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    I aint got any idea how can something CREATE space and time!
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