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    With the coming of the New Year and a good alternative to the bible, I decided to resurrect this post. Thank you.

    Why I Believe NATURE is GOD

    Nature is the ONLY creator of all life. The female being the most important of the pairs. The male acts as the protector and servant.
    Nature has created food for us all and it is free.
    Nature has given all creatures its clothing. Almost all pairs (female and male) wear the same clothing.
    Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
    Nature requires no licenses to reproduce or any other licenses for that matter.
    Hence, no costly marriages.
    It has created the food chain as our burial sites, hence no funerals.
    It has given us our own doctors with the 'immune systems' within us.
    It requires no rituals, tithes or taxes, forced attendances and etc.
    It grants no property ownerships, patents or any other grants to create millionaires or billionaires.
    It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
    It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death and even tempers this brief interim with the endorphin pain killers.
    It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns) and the food chain in the sea and ocean life to limit population imbalances.

    Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
    gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.


    The bible is at complete opposition to Nature.

    It promotes a deity that demands absolute obedience with the first three commandments. The last six can be considered generic and are OK.
    It’s deity is a genocidal deity.
    It portrays sex as a sin. This is nonsense. Only perverse sex can be considered to be sinful.
    It portrays the males as chauvinists. In our current culture, the males dominate and use the females as slaves while they consider themselves to be the masters.
    It portrays the females as the sinners and a fruit from a tree as a sin if eaten. This is a blatant falsehood. Fruit and vegetables are our proper food source because they can be eaten raw.
    This also insults the Apes as eating the fruit of the trees.
    It promotes racism by forbidding cross marriages outside the Jewish peoples culture and insults the apes that represent the darkness with the Moon as it symbolic source.

    This book does not represent truth.

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    Its called a Pantheist.. Get with the times.. jeese.


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    Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
    gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.
    ..which is also provided by capitalism, thank you very much. We can simply buy our essential needs, and I don't think freedom has anything to do with socialism. And we can take care of ourselves, by the way.

    Socilaism is not a political system, it is merely the idea that there should be economic and social equality.
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    God is not the NATURE you mentioned , it is an informatioan entity bearing information of all events ever happened in the universe , which is of non-substantiated and non-materialized characteristics . As it interacts with vacuum , it generate this substantiated and materialized world , the NATURE you menat .

    See topic of Physical Description to God
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/Physi...God-12304t.php
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    *Obviously "goes atheist" and says*

    There is no God!

    *The discussion remains as useless as ever*

    PS: "Nature as God" is self-contradictory and constructed of faulty logic; the stolen concept fallacy. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhang zhi qiang
    God is not the NATURE you mentioned , it is an informatioan entity bearing information of all events ever happened in the universe , which is of non-substantiated and non-materialized characteristics . As it interacts with vacuum , it generate this substantiated and materialized world , the NATURE you menat .

    See topic of Physical Description to God
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/Physi...God-12304t.php

    God is wikipedia?
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    Nature can't be god, "God" is a being, Nature is not.


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    God is wikipedia?
    Oh Yeah, All hail the Great Wikipedia!

    (P.S God does not exist.)
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    God is an inforamtion entity which is an objective existence in the universe , while information has verified as specific sort of space time structure as expounded in that thread .
    People view God as a spiritual idol but an objective being only because they could not prove its objective existence by scientific means . Now thing has changed , finally with help of achievements in science , especially in physics , we can verify objective existence of God in physical and mathematical way .

    These verified results to objective existence of God can be found in zzq theory
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/
    and those descriptions among that thread.
    From these results , we have eventually recognized that God does creates everyting in the universe , does generates the universe as a whole , does manipulate evolution of the universe and everything it contains .Also far beyond our imagination , by calculations concerned God hereby bears same physical properties as those discovered in physics , in other word , both general physical properties of the universe and physical properties in micro-physics are actually originated directly from God .

    Finally religion and science get converged after hiatus from each other for thousands of years since science was delivered from body of religion.

    God is not only a spiritual idol for mankind to worship , but also an objective reality existing in the universe as demonstrated.It is such objectivity of God that make people spiritually and psychologically perceived its existence. This is root cause of development for all kinds of religion .

    Gods portrayed in all religions are personalized idols forged from backgroud of different culture , philosophy and social development of various ethnic groups . Doctrine in all religious textbooks are understanding and perceptions to God among people of these ethnic groups . Despite of different versions perceived to God , sometimes contradicted with each other , there is one thing in common over all kinds of religions , that is spirit of humanity ---a precious gift God granted to mankind on this planet .

    Along with progress of social development over bumped road forward while occasionally flavored stench of blood , blundered into grisly corpses slaughered in religious conflicts , all kinds of religions people will finally make their way toward to God that would unite them in harmony under flag of humanity ---inevitable , irresistible and irreversible trend of evolution of mankind .
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    Quote Originally Posted by verzen
    Its called a Pantheist.. Get with the times.. jeese.
    Are you talking about the OT? Because that is applicable to the universe.

    My religion is applicable to the LIVING Nature and has no significance to the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    ..which is also provided by capitalism, thank you very much. We can simply buy our essential needs, and I don't think freedom has anything to do with socialism. And we can take care of ourselves, by the way.

    Socilaism is not a political system, it is merely the idea that there should be economic and social equality.
    So your capitalism is providing the people with their housing and jobs? Ha Ha.

    And Socialism is a political system mandated by the Constitution as a representative gove rnment.

    Capitalism is a 'SELF SERVING sytem. How do you think we have all these billionaires and multi-millionaires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    *Obviously "goes atheist" and says*

    There is no God!

    *The discussion remains as useless as ever*

    PS: "Nature as God" is self-contradictory and constructed of faulty logic; the stolen concept fallacy. :wink:
    Thats your opinion!
    The believers outnumber the non-belioevers.

    And my religion does not create suffering and Jewicides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharghana
    Nature can't be god, "God" is a being, Nature is not.

    (P.S God does not exist.)
    The source of religion in the ME is a spirit to both thr jews and the arabs.

    Maybe that is why they are at war with each other? Ha ha.

    My religion does not promote the 'one god concept'. So their is no need to wage war since everyone can pick his own god like our C'N allows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    ..which is also provided by capitalism, thank you very much. We can simply buy our essential needs, and I don't think freedom has anything to do with socialism. And we can take care of ourselves, by the way.

    Socilaism is not a political system, it is merely the idea that there should be economic and social equality.
    So your capitalism is providing the people with their housing and jobs? Ha Ha.

    And Socialism is a political system mandated by the Constitution as a representative gove rnment.

    Capitalism is a 'SELF SERVING sytem. How do you think we have all these billionaires and multi-millionaires?

    Cosmo
    Um, yes, it does? Capitalism does provide housing and jobs. All you have to do is buy housing, and manage to get hired.

    I'm assuming you're talking now about the recession taking place at this moment, which is a completely different topic, and, in any case, even without government intervention, would right itself; the government is simply trying to keep companies alive and get the economy back on track faster. Capitalism, as a system, does allow you to get what you need and want.

    Socialism is anything but a political system. The US Constitution does not mandate socialism, mainly because the idea didn't even exist back then. Socialism is an economic idea, trying to improve people's lives by creating social and economic equality. Socialism can be done by creating cooperatives, or, in communism's radical way, make everything government-controlled, create small soviets for regional matters, and have a nation of workers, as opposed to capitalists.

    Capitalism is self-serving, yes. However, the good news is, anyone can be a capitalist. Capitalism is then, paradoxically, a self-serving system which serves everybody. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    Thats your opinion!
    That's correct. My disbelief in God is merely my opinion. My outcry of "There is no God!" was just meant to be ironic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    The believers outnumber the non-belioevers.
    Red herring and presumably appeal to majority (logical fallacies).

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    And my religion does not create suffering and Jewicides.
    Red herring or non sequitor? Perhaps both (again, logical fallacies).


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    You avoided my logical analysis of the statement "Nature is God."

    Here it is again in case you missed it:

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    "Nature as God" is self-contradictory and constructed of faulty logic; the stolen concept fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liongold
    Um, yes, it does? Capitalism does provide housing and jobs. All you have to do is buy housing, and manage to get hired.
    Tell that to all the people losing their houses and the increasing unemployment figures.

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    Well, then, you have a problem not with capitalism itself, but with the subprime housing bubble and the dotcom bubble. Blame them; they caused the collapse of the American economy, not capitalism itself. Greed is manifest in every human being; that greed simply let many, many people really believe house prices would skyrocket. When house prices fell down, well, there they lost money, leading to major repercussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    Well, then, you have a problem not with capitalism itself, but with the subprime housing bubble and the dotcom bubble. Blame them; they caused the collapse of the American economy, not capitalism itself. Greed is manifest in every human being; that greed simply let many, many people really believe house prices would skyrocket. When house prices fell down, well, there they lost money, leading to major repercussions.
    You can blame this crash on the 'free enterprise system' which is capitalism.

    There sky high gas prices is another isolated example.

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    There sky high gas prices is another isolated example.
    Which have fallen to below 40 dollars a gallon from their previous height of 140 dollars a gallon, and still show signs of falling. So? People - ordinary people, mind you, not capitalists - wanted more money, so they took to housing prices in order to get more money. Their method was working quite well, too, but failed only when house prices began to fall. In which case, their investment was simply not returned.

    You can blame this crash on the 'free enterprise system' which is capitalism.
    People - ordinary people, mind you, not capitalists - wanted more money, so they took to housing prices in order to get more money. Their method was working quite well, too, but failed only when house prices began to fall. In which case, their investment was simply not returned. They lost money only because of adverse conditions. House prices did not fall because of them; there were other reasons, none even partly connected to capitalism.

    And that was why capitalism did not cause the collapse of the American economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    The believers outnumber the non-belioevers.

    And my religion does not create suffering and Jewicides.
    Your religion divides people into believers and non-believers, hence a peace would never exist.

    A lack of religion does not divide people.

    Nature unites, religion divides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    Your religion divides people into believers and non-believers, hence a peace would never exist.

    A lack of religion does not divide people.

    Nature unites, religion divides.
    The OT promotes the 'one god concept' with the 1st 3 commandments and enforces them with jewicides.
    KM's and JS's communism is a derivitive of the OT as well as Islam that use jenicides in the same way as the OT. So this is 3 factions united into one type of cleansing ritual competing to see who is number one.

    Nature does NOT unite all in the same way. You read how it promotes the multiple
    god system with the different characteristics?
    You should be able to understand that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo

    Nature does NOT unite all in the same way. You read how it promotes the multiple
    god system with the different characteristics?
    You should be able to understand that?
    Sorry, I don't, because that makes no sense at all. In fact, it's silly in the extreme.
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    The OT promotes the 'one god concept' with the 1st 3 commandments and enforces them with jewicides.
    Dude, I don't think you know your religions well enough. The Jews follow the Old Testament. If the Old Testament did indeed enforce the first three commandments with "Jewicide" then Jews would not be alive by now. *snicker* A religion that tries to kill its own followers... what an idea...

    KM's and JS's communism is a derivitive of the OT
    I have told you before, time and time again, that communism is a form of socialism. It does NOT depend upon the Old Testament. If you wish further convincing, please read this highly illuminating Wikipedia article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    as well as Islam that use jenicides in the same way as the OT
    No wonder I worry so much about the state of the world, if people seriously believe stuff like this. Islam does not allow genocide; that is what Islamic terrorists and jihadists believe, and most jihadists wish merely to take revenge against the West for the numerous Muslims killed in the Crusades in the 14th century. Islam is mainly in line with Christianity, with striking similarities between the two, most strikingly, the existence of only one God.

    A further fact is that Islam came after Christinaity, in the 7th century AD, and Muhammed considered Christ a prophet, or person who is sent by God to help the world. Islam really does believe in peace, as I know some people will refute, but, like a fellow named eanassir over here, its scriptures and verses can mean anything, which people can take advantage of and simply twist their meaning.

    Here is another article that you should read:

    Nature does NOT unite all in the same way. You read how it promotes the multiple
    god system with the different characteristics?
    Nature has always been a tricky thing. Hitler used arguments from Nature to help convince the crowds of his ideas; a nineteenth-century Darwinist believed in evolution because he believed it explained the class differences between people, which he supported; the early Greeks believed in pantheism, and we all know the nature of the myths - mainly gory, bloody ones, most notably the punishment of Prometheus, who was sentenced to eternal imprisonment, with a huge eagle coming to eat his liver every day.

    The fact is, understanding nature is a bit like trying to read scripture; it could mean anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo

    Nature does NOT unite all in the same way. You read how it promotes the multiple
    god system with the different characteristics?
    You should be able to understand that?
    Sorry, I don't, because that makes no sense at all. In fact, it's silly in the extreme.
    The lion that promotes the OT chauvinism that I consider as a death god representing the Sahara desert. So he is a false reprentative of the Sun that is the Egyptian Sun God Ra. That is why they decapitated the lion and replaced him with a human head. My opinion.

    So the lion is NOT a substitute for a creator God , a Muscle GOD or a representative of a family Patriarch. He eats his own sons . Ha ha.

    So the jews selected David as their patriarch by naming the 6 pointed star as the star of David. So I came to the conclusion that that is why the 'hot dog' became to be one of the fast foods in the US diet.

    See my article on a 'Solution for Peace'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    The OT promotes the 'one god concept' with the 1st 3 commandments and enforces them with jewicides.
    Dude, I don't think you know your religions well enough. The Jews follow the Old Testament. If the Old Testament did indeed enforce the first three commandments with "Jewicide" then Jews would not be alive by now. *snicker* A religion that tries to kill its own followers... what an idea...

    KM's and JS's communism is a derivitive of the OT
    I have told you before, time and time again, that communism is a form of socialism. It does NOT depend upon the Old Testament. If you wish further convincing, please read this highly illuminating Wikipedia article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

    as well as Islam that use jenicides in the same way as the OT
    No wonder I worry so much about the state of the world, if people seriously believe stuff like this. Islam does not allow genocide; that is what Islamic terrorists and jihadists believe, and most jihadists wish merely to take revenge against the West for the numerous Muslims killed in the Crusades in the 14th century. Islam is mainly in line with Christianity, with striking similarities between the two, most strikingly, the existence of only one God.

    A further fact is that Islam came after Christinaity, in the 7th century AD, and Muhammed considered Christ a prophet, or person who is sent by God to help the world. Islam really does believe in peace, as I know some people will refute, but, like a fellow named eanassir over here, its scriptures and verses can mean anything, which people can take advantage of and simply twist their meaning.

    Here is another article that you should read:

    Nature does NOT unite all in the same way. You read how it promotes the multiple
    god system with the different characteristics?
    Nature has always been a tricky thing. Hitler used arguments from Nature to help convince the crowds of his ideas; a nineteenth-century Darwinist believed in evolution because he believed it explained the class differences between people, which he supported; the early Greeks believed in pantheism, and we all know the nature of the myths - mainly gory, bloody ones, most notably the punishment of Prometheus, who was sentenced to eternal imprisonment, with a huge eagle coming to eat his liver every day.

    The fact is, understanding nature is a bit like trying to read scripture; it could mean anything.
    I think for myselfr . So I do not need to look for sources on the internet.

    Read my article A 'Solution for Peace'.

    This describes the problems with the OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo Cosmo
    So the jews selected David as their patriarch by naming the 6 pointed star as the star of David. So I came to the conclusion that that is why the 'hot dog' became to be one of the fast foods in the US diet.

    See my article on a 'Solution for Peace'.

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    I always thought it was the Baconator as it makes it as the 'star' burger.

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    I think for myselfr . So I do not need to look for sources on the internet.
    I think for myself too, but at least I have the common sense to see if what I have thought of is correct.

    Also, didn't you ask me for sources in your theory of everything? now that I've given you sources for my statements, the least you can do is look at them.

    The lion that promotes the OT chauvinism that I consider as a death god representing the Sahara desert. So he is a false reprentative of the Sun that is the Egyptian Sun God Ra. That is why they decapitated the lion and replaced him with a human head. My opinion.
    Wow. I have half a mind to laugh right now. So the Sphinx is not a gaurdian spirit supposed to protect the Pharaoh's tomb from thieves, but is instead the Egyptians' revenge upon the Old Testament, despite most Egyptian hieroglyphs saying precisely that the Pharaoh is protected by the Sphinx?

    So the jews selected David as their patriarch by naming the 6 pointed star as the star of David. So I came to the conclusion that that is why the 'hot dog' became to be one of the fast foods in the US diet.
    That makes no sense whatsoever. What does the hot dog have to do with David?

    So the lion is NOT a substitute for a creator God , a Muscle GOD or a representative of a family Patriarch.
    Of course it doesn't. Now you're wandering into symbology, and that has no connection with what Q was talking about.
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    Cosmo wrote:
    The believers outnumber the non-belioevers.

    Red herring and presumably appeal to majority (logical fallacies).
    Isn't that a lot like saying, "Since I am not a part of the majority, the majority is irrelevant and not deserving of consideration."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Isn't that a lot like saying, "Since I am not a part of the majority, the majority is irrelevant and not deserving of consideration."?
    As it was probably stated to Copernicus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonturner
    Isn't that a lot like saying, "Since I am not a part of the majority, the majority is irrelevant and not deserving of consideration."?
    No.

    It's more like saying the majority does not dictate or in itself constitute proof on what is fact and what is not without evidence and logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    Which have fallen to below 40 dollars a gallon from their previous height of 140 dollars a gallon, and still show signs of falling. So? People - ordinary people, mind you, not capitalists - wanted more money, so they took to housing prices in order to get more money. Their method was working quite well, too, but failed only when house prices began to fall. In which case, their investment was simply not returned.
    The housing industry was influenced by the governments interest rates that were lowered to stimulate the economy. So morgage rates began to be cheaper. That caused people to start refinancing their morgages for lower monthly payments. It was not because of greed but to have lower house payments.
    The problem here was that the lending institutions did not inform these people that their rates could increase later since these were practically all 'variable' mortgages.
    I blame capitalism for not informing the house owners of this possibility since those people were not experts in the business world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    I think for myself too, but at least I have the common sense to see if what I have thought of is correct.
    Well, the only reason you looked for answers is because you had no solution for what you were thinking about.
    Since I have a solution for what I think about, I do not need to look for solutions from other sources.
    Besides, when I learn from others, I do not need to look for contradictory answers.

    Wow. I have half a mind to laugh right now. So the Sphinx is not a gaurdian spirit supposed to protect the Pharaoh's tomb from thieves, but is instead the Egyptians' revenge upon the Old Testament, despite most Egyptian hieroglyphs saying precisely that the Pharaoh is protected by the Sphinx?
    Egypts history preceded the OT history. The Egyptians realized that the lion appeared to be a representative of the Sun that they promoted as their creator God Ra and was not a proper representative and so they decided to replace him with a human head. But they kept his body as a symbol of their superior weaponry that was the spear and the crossbow. My opinion.

    That makes no sense whatsoever. What does the hot dog have to do with David?
    In Nature, you have the '5' pointed star fish, but not a six pointed one. So the jews invented one. You should figure this one out for yourself as to why they added another point. Ha ha.

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    I decided to resurrect this post because of its importance to religion and the question on the other post of, Why I believe in GOD

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