# Thread: Mathematical Proof

1. Most everyone seems to treat the BBT as a reality.

I can provide mathematical proof that it cannot be real. See below:

The Virgo Cluster of galaxies has been studied as a means for measuring space with about 8 different methods.
It has been determined to be at a distance of 16.7 mega parsecs or 54 million light years distant.
See below:

Method: Distance (Mpc):

Cepheids: 14.9+/-1.2
Novae: 21.1+/-3.9
PN L-function: 15.4+/-1.1
Glob. cluster L function: 18.8+/-3.8
Surface brightness fluctuations: 15.9+/-0.9
Tully-Fisher relation: 15.8+/-1.5
D-sigma relation: 16.8+/-2.4
Type Ia SN: 19.4+/-5.0

<http://hera.ph1.uni-koeln.de/~heintzma/k1/virgo.htm>

So we can be reasonably sure of its distance.

The measurement of its redshift is about .0035 for a group of galaxies and .004 for the central elliptical giant M87.
This is a partial redshift of 'one'.
So if we divide 'one' by ,0035, we get 285. Multiply that with 54^6 lys and we get 15 billion lys.
So it would take that distance for the VC to be at a redshift of 'one'.

That is an age that exceeds the BB age of 13.7 billion years.
These galaxies are 'low' level radiations since they are near to us.
But how about those HUDF observations that have been detected to have redshifts of 7+. That would mean that the universe is enormous in size that suggests a Flat Space (FS) (SSU) universe rather than a BBT universe.

However, those deep redshifts in the HDFN are probably based on the Arp Red Shift Anomaly of strong quasar type galaxies.
So this data gives the ARSA credibility but also portrays the BBT to be false with the VC of galaxies that provides a mathematical RS of one at 15^9 lys.

Cosmo

2.

3. Expansion works out to about the width of a proton over each light second (186,282 miles). If such a negligible pull can distort a photon's wavelength, then Earth's gravity should rip them apart completely.

4. This is the nth repetition of this post. Repeating oneself does not make a statement more credible. Since I am not willing to reply to this again, I am very much tempted to delete this thread entirely.

Dishmaster
(Moderator).

5. Originally Posted by Cyberia
Expansion works out to about the width of a proton over each light second (186,282 miles). If such a negligible pull can distort a photon's wavelength, then Earth's gravity should rip them apart completely.
Can you clarify your statement above?
Which expansion?

Cosmo

6. Originally Posted by Dishmaster
This is the nth repetition of this post. Repeating oneself does not make a statement more credible. Since I am not willing to reply to this again, I am very much tempted to delete this thread entirely.

Dishmaster
(Moderator).
Dish, this is the first time I posted this for everyone to see on the Cosmology thread.

Yes, I did post this in replies on a couple of other threads but that was because it was applicable to those threads.

Cosmo

7. Originally Posted by Cosmo
Originally Posted by Cyberia
Expansion works out to about the width of a proton over each light second (186,282 miles). If such a negligible pull can distort a photon's wavelength, then Earth's gravity should rip them apart completely.
Can you clarify your statement above?
Which expansion?

Cosmo
Yes, please. Cyberia, could you please add some calculations so that we can follow your argument? Thank you.

8. Originally Posted by Cosmo
Originally Posted by Dishmaster
This is the nth repetition of this post. Repeating oneself does not make a statement more credible. Since I am not willing to reply to this again, I am very much tempted to delete this thread entirely.

Dishmaster
(Moderator).
Dish, this is the first time I posted this for everyone to see on the Cosmology thread.

Yes, I did post this in replies on a couple of other threads but that was because it was applicable to those threads.

Cosmo
For a reply, please see
http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...r=asc&start=13

9. Originally Posted by Dishmaster
Originally Posted by Cosmo
Originally Posted by Dishmaster
This is the nth repetition of this post. Repeating oneself does not make a statement more credible. Since I am not willing to reply to this again, I am very much tempted to delete this thread entirely.

Dishmaster
(Moderator).
Dish, this is the first time I posted this for everyone to see on the Cosmology thread.

Yes, I did post this in replies on a couple of other threads but that was because it was applicable to those threads.

Cosmo
For a reply, please see
http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...r=asc&start=13
The Cosmology Segment of this forum has a much wider view than the CMBR
thread.

That is where I should have posted that article in the first place, rather than using it in replies in other threads.

Cosmo

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