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  1. #1 Greta Thunberg named TIME's person of the year 2019 
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    https://time.com/person-of-the-year-...reta-thunberg/
    “I want you to panic,” she [Thunberg] told the annual convention of CEOs and world leaders at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in January. “I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. And then I want you to act.”
    Thunberg is not a leader of any political party or advocacy group. She is neither the first to sound the alarm about the climate crisis nor the most qualified to fix it. She is not a scientist or a politician. She has no access to traditional levers of influence: she’s not a billionaire or a princess, a pop star or even an adult. She is an ordinary teenage girl who, in summoning the courage to speak truth to power, became the icon of a generation. By clarifying an abstract danger with piercing outrage, Thunberg became the most compelling voice on the most important issue facing the planet.
    What do you think about this?
    My opinion is that she isn't helping the problem, but like many people (myself included) she is deeply frustrated at the inability to get people to act even after decades of increasingly urgent warnings from scientists, so I sympathize with her. And I'm not sure if I agree with her getting person of the year or not.


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    She is not an authority but she is a good appoximation to a description of the problem and fairly representative of the group's that will be most hit by the consequences of self interested inaction.

    She was probably chosen by Life to make a point.


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    She was definitely chosen to make a point. I figure there's a lot worse people they could have chosen. Plus her selection as Person of the Year got under a bunch of climate deniers skin so that's always good with me.
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    Her selection must have been a good idea. Trump denounced it.
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    Here is the transcript I found from her speech at the UN climate action summit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greta Thunberg
    My message is that we'll be watching you.
    This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you!
    You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!
    For more than 30 years, the science has been crystal clear. How dare you continue to look away and come here saying that you're doing enough, when the politics and solutions needed are still nowhere in sight.
    You say you hear us and that you understand the urgency. But no matter how sad and angry I am, I do not want to believe that. Because if you really understood the situation and still kept on failing to act, then you would be evil. And that I refuse to believe.
    The popular idea of cutting our emissions in half in 10 years only gives us a 50% chance of staying below 1.5 degrees [Celsius], and the risk of setting off irreversible chain reactions beyond human control.Fifty percent may be acceptable to you. But those numbers do not include tipping points, most feedback loops, additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution or the aspects of equity and climate justice. They also rely on my generation sucking hundreds of billions of tons of your CO2 out of the air with technologies that barely exist.
    So a 50% risk is simply not acceptable to us — we who have to live with the consequences.
    To have a 67% chance of staying below a 1.5 degrees global temperature rise – the best odds given by the [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] – the world had 420 gigatons of CO2 left to emit back on Jan. 1st, 2018. Today that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatons.
    How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just 'business as usual' and some technical solutions? With today's emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone within less than 8 1/2 years.
    There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today, because these numbers are too uncomfortable. And you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is.
    You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.
    We will not let you get away with this. Right here, right now is where we draw the line. The world is waking up. And change is coming, whether you like it or not.
    Thank you.

    So she is (rightly) angry at the older generations for doing very little about climate change. I feel her anger and have felt it longer than she has. But it looks to me like cussing them out is all she's doing.
    How is she representative of the groups that will be hit worst by the consequences of GW? Simply because she's a member of the group?
    Is there more to what she's doing than what I see?
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    Yes ,simply by being a member of that group.
    That is enough. They deserve a voice (voices)

    They collectively represent stake- holdership without current representation
    They are entitled to be angry and frustrated .

    They didn't cause the problem that we created but are expected to pay for it.

    You don't have to fawn over one particular person to appreciate this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticorncob28 View Post
    Here is the transcript I found from her speech at the UN climate action summit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greta Thunberg
    My message is that we'll be watching you.
    This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you!
    You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!
    For more than 30 years, the science has been crystal clear. How dare you continue to look away and come here saying that you're doing enough, when the politics and solutions needed are still nowhere in sight.
    You say you hear us and that you understand the urgency. But no matter how sad and angry I am, I do not want to believe that. Because if you really understood the situation and still kept on failing to act, then you would be evil. And that I refuse to believe.
    The popular idea of cutting our emissions in half in 10 years only gives us a 50% chance of staying below 1.5 degrees [Celsius], and the risk of setting off irreversible chain reactions beyond human control.Fifty percent may be acceptable to you. But those numbers do not include tipping points, most feedback loops, additional warming hidden by toxic air pollution or the aspects of equity and climate justice. They also rely on my generation sucking hundreds of billions of tons of your CO2 out of the air with technologies that barely exist.
    So a 50% risk is simply not acceptable to us — we who have to live with the consequences.
    To have a 67% chance of staying below a 1.5 degrees global temperature rise – the best odds given by the [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] – the world had 420 gigatons of CO2 left to emit back on Jan. 1st, 2018. Today that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatons.
    How dare you pretend that this can be solved with just 'business as usual' and some technical solutions? With today's emissions levels, that remaining CO2 budget will be entirely gone within less than 8 1/2 years.
    There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today, because these numbers are too uncomfortable. And you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is.
    You are failing us. But the young people are starting to understand your betrayal. The eyes of all future generations are upon you. And if you choose to fail us, I say: We will never forgive you.
    We will not let you get away with this. Right here, right now is where we draw the line. The world is waking up. And change is coming, whether you like it or not.
    Thank you.

    So she is (rightly) angry at the older generations for doing very little about climate change. I feel her anger and have felt it longer than she has. But it looks to me like cussing them out is all she's doing.
    How is she representative of the groups that will be hit worst by the consequences of GW? Simply because she's a member of the group?
    Is there more to what she's doing than what I see?
    It's ginger group stuff. What she generates is a new wave of publicity and a new sense of urgency, especially among younger people.

    My son's school is already altering its lunch menus to include a veggie day and to reduce the amount of red meat. Our local butcher is selling less beef and more of other things - rabbits are going very well, apparently. I'm looking into a heat pump for the house and will almost certainly buy a hybrid or electric car when it comes to replacing the current one. So there is a lot of consciousness-raising going on. The message is getting through that it is not just about renewable electricity generation, i.e. the government and industry's problem, but will need changes in our daily lives.

    So it's not so much what she says in detail, but her shock value. I find her strident and a bit adolescent ("You've ruined my life" is not exactly a new sentiment), but she is changing attitudes, which needs to happen.
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    I'm guessing that the great Greta, the melting of ice and record temperatures, like those in Australia yesterday, are not going to make governments around the world take notice. They are impotent and too obsessed with economic growth. Climate science is not at the top of their agenda.
    But a mass migration of people across a whole continent in search of food and water leading to war and pestilence might make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    I'm guessing that the great Greta, the melting of ice and record temperatures, like those in Australia yesterday, are not going to make governments around the world take notice. They are impotent and too obsessed with economic growth. Climate science is not at the top of their agenda.
    But a mass migration of people across a whole continent in search of food and water leading to war and pestilence might make a difference.
    I will watch what happens in Australian politics with interest. I think events like this do actually raise people's awareness - though of course the usual suspects will do their damnedest to drown out the questions. But it is a long haul to shift governments, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    … though of course the usual suspects will do their damnedest to drown out the questions.
    One way of doing it is to leave the country.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ushfire-crisis

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    Don't know why but when I see this girl's name I always think of Saving Private Ryan and Captain Miller's quote about their mission, so I tweaked it a little....

    Ah, Greta. I don’t know anything about Greta. I don’t care. The girl means nothing to me. It’s just a name. But if, you know, if she's going to go global and makes a difference so that she can go home. If that earns her the right to get back to Sweden, well then, then that’s her mission.
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    In fact I see the Australian government has been forced to admit the role played by climate change in the current disaster, and to acknowledge that more needs to be done to combat it. That is progress.
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    Coal industry in Australia employs 38,000 miners. In the UK it is about 1000.
    So what is the Australian PM going to do about it? Nothing.
    Meanwhile the UK generates power with little or no coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-50888786
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    Time to arrange your holidays in Norway.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50971446

    Similar record temperature in Scotland a few days earlier.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Coal industry in Australia employs 38,000 miners. In the UK it is about 1000.
    So what is the Australian PM going to do about it? Nothing.
    Meanwhile the UK generates power with little or no coal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-50888786
    Your point being? Australia has significantly LESS coal miners per square mile than the UK.
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    From the Guardian newspaper in October 2019.

    About three-quarters of Australia’s thermal coal export earnings are tied to three countries – Japan (45% of sales), China (16%) and South Korea (15%).
    Effectively kicking themselves in the foot. Carbon which has been stored underground for millions of years has now being pumped into the atmosphere in SE Asia to likely influence the climate of Australia.



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    Australia already has less coal mining per square mile then the UK per the figures you have supplied, so the UK is exporting 100%of the coal it produces making it no better, and in fact worse as it has a higher number of miners per square mile
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    From Wiki: In 2016, Australia was the biggest net exporter of coal, with 32% of global exports (389 million tons out of 1,213 Mt total).

    UK mined 3 million tons in the same period.

    Regrettable that Ricky Gervais was poking fun at Greta at the Golden Globes yesterday.
    And politicians would rather listen to economists, conspiracy theorists and religious groups than climate scientists.

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