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    When a future scientist answers with or promotes the ‘God did it’ philosophy then in Ohio this would not be incorrect.

    https://politicalwire.com/2019/11/14...about-science/


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    Republicans, I assume.


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    The only thing I wonder is ....... if making it known religious answers are actually incorrect then are they strengthening science? IOW it would be common knowledge that a religious answer has no scientific basis? Is that different than today or is it now official? Could be a win for science. Are the religious being fooled by this law?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Republicans, I assume.
    Every Republican in the House supported the bill. So you assumed right.

    I see this as a loss for science because now the students don't even have to bother paying attention to the information that they disagree with. Before this many of them would learn it, then just say something like "According to what science says, it's this old" or whatever. So while not believing in deep time for instance that at least learned that scientists (and other logical people) believe that the Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago. Now they can just sleep through class or whatever and still pass, which is dangerous.
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    This is just fucking stupid. Science doesn't care about your beliefs. Either the data supports you or it doesn't! Thin end of the wedge to give ignorant wing nuts credibility... it's a slap in the face to anyone with any scientific integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    This is just fucking stupid. Science doesn't care about your beliefs. Either the data supports you or it doesn't! Thin end of the wedge to give ignorant wing nuts credibility... it's a slap in the face to anyone with any scientific integrity.
    Is this why we're standing around with a finger in our ass waiting for God to fix global warming. In Ohio it's a scientific fact! I think this law is only the tip of the stupidity iceberg. Coming soon to a country near you.
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    Global warming is the will of God.

    https://climatecommunication.yale.ed...-End-Times.pdf
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    I opened a brand new box of corn flakes this morning and there was a science degree inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Is this why we're standing around with a finger in our ass waiting for God to fix global warming. In Ohio it's a scientific fact! I think this law is only the tip of the stupidity iceberg. Coming soon to a country near you.
    The dumbing down of the United States and the world in general has been ongoing for a few decades at least now. But I think you're right that this is the tip of the stupidity iceberg, I'm willing to bet that we will see more legislation like this in the heavily Republican states in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconer360 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Is this why we're standing around with a finger in our ass waiting for God to fix global warming. In Ohio it's a scientific fact! I think this law is only the tip of the stupidity iceberg. Coming soon to a country near you.
    The dumbing down of the United States and the world in general has been ongoing for a few decades at least now. But I think you're right that this is the tip of the stupidity iceberg, I'm willing to bet that we will see more legislation like this in the heavily Republican states in the US.
    I wonder if I could get a degree in theology by answering every question or writing every paper using science answers? What's fair is fair both ways, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    I wonder if I could get a degree in theology by answering every question or writing every paper using science answers? What's fair is fair both ways, no?
    Lol that would be great to try. Although we all know that the conservatives Christians here don't want fairness, they want their way and nothing else. Freedom of religion to them means freedom to force Christianity onto everyone.
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    Science class will be so easy after this bill is passed. If you don't know the answer to a question, you can just say "God did it" or whatever religious bs and they can't count you wrong.

    Seriously, even Florida isn't this bad. I have a cousin there who used to grade science papers, and she'd often come across people who refused to answer questions about evolution because they don't believe in it. She counted those answers wrong, just as she was supposed to. As far as I know, that system hasn't changed and there's no sign it's going to.

    EDIT: See this tweet. If this guy is right (the text is kind of vague) then the only time you're not allowed to dock points is if the student gives the correct answer, and later on says they disagree with it for religious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticorncob28 View Post
    Science class will be so easy after this bill is passed. If you don't know the answer to a question, you can just say "God did it" or whatever religious bs and they can't count you wrong.

    Seriously, even Florida isn't this bad. I have a cousin there who used to grade science papers, and she'd often come across people who refused to answer questions about evolution because they don't believe in it. She counted those answers wrong, just as she was supposed to. As far as I know, that system hasn't changed and there's no sign it's going to.

    EDIT: See this tweet. If this guy is right (the text is kind of vague) then the only time you're not allowed to dock points is if the student gives the correct answer, and later on says they disagree with it for religious reasons.
    Seen on Twitter: Who needs an education when the Bible has all the answers”.

    Perhaps science teachers should not accept "God did it" or other religious answers but "how God did it" is the way to go. I mean if God's ultimately responsible then why would religion be against knowing how God did it?
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    No, never! "god did it" or bringing god in any form into science is the ultimate in laziness and intellectual dishonesty. If I was ever told to accept any answer on those lines I would quit teaching. To do otherwise would be to piss on every bit of progressive thought since the Enlightenment. It would be a horrible backward step to superstition and nonsense and the denial of the need for empirical evidence...
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    Am I right in thinking that in an exam question like 'Explain how the Earth was formed' you might want to discuss gravity, the magnetic field, continental drift and so on, and you might get 60%.

    But if you reply 'God did it' you'd get 100%.
    How to pass the exam.
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