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  1. #1 Should the Russian convoy be allowed into Ukraine? 
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    Putin Calls Western Bluff With Humanitarian Convoy Stunt
    https://time.com/3105108/putin-russi...-humanitarian/

    Now that is a dilemma if ever there was one. Which way do you think it should go?


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    Russia will eventually take control of the Ukraine to protect their regional energy interests, imo. Russia no longer cares about US sanctions and has become the military power behind the new brics monetary fund. I doubt that most NATO countries will do much about the incursion as most of them rely on energy from Russia. Recently France sold Russia aircraft carriers directly against the sanctions the US placed on Russia and Germany seems to be caught in a situation of not being economically capable of following the US sanctions.


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    i think russian should take over eastern ukraine because they are all russians there i think and kiev are nazi scum
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    Would someone take us back to the dissolution of the USSR and explain why Russia either wouldn't keep, or couldn't keep, Ukraine seeing as how the Crimea is so critical to Russian security and perhaps economy? I'm thinking that the current Russian encroachment upon Ukraine is a carryover from the soviet era. You know, you can take Putin out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of Putin.

    Please note: I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just think this is important to understand the current situation. Just a brief explanation, if anyone knows.
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    On CNN the convoy was detoured to another place. Maybe the white trucks are going to be painted with the Red Cross insignia so they can pretend to be Red Cross trucks when they get to Ukraine.
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    Or has it be diverted to Iraq to help get the Yazidis off the mountain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    Would someone take us back to the dissolution of the USSR and explain why Russia either wouldn't keep, or couldn't keep, Ukraine seeing as how the Crimea is so critical to Russian security and perhaps economy? I'm thinking that the current Russian encroachment upon Ukraine is a carryover from the soviet era. You know, you can take Putin out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of Putin.

    Please note: I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just think this is important to understand the current situation. Just a brief explanation, if anyone knows.
    Gorbachev granted the Ukraine independence, he also gave them Donetsk and Crimea as going away gifts.
    Russian MPs say Mikhail Gorbachev should be prosecuted for treason | World news | theguardian.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Now that is a dilemma if ever there was one. Which way do you think it should go?
    Allow them in if the Red Cross checks then out and says they are OK. Alternatively inspect every truck then allow them in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Allow them in if the Red Cross checks then out and says they are OK. Alternatively inspect every truck then allow them in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Now that is a dilemma if ever there was one. Which way do you think it should go?
    Allow them in if the Red Cross checks then out and says they are OK. Alternatively inspect every truck then allow them in.
    Who is doing the checking out, inspecting, and allowing in this scenario?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Now that is a dilemma if ever there was one. Which way do you think it should go?
    Allow them in if the Red Cross checks then out and says they are OK. Alternatively inspect every truck then allow them in.
    Who is doing the checking out, inspecting, and allowing in this scenario?
    They ought to be working that out soon as the trucks must be getting closer every day. I get the feeling they should try and make this a step toward some sort of reconciliation.
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    The Russians have entered the Ukraine with their military piggy backing the humanitarian aid. Good move on Putin. John Kerry should be spouting off on why the Russians need to back off or receive a heavy dose of US sanctions.

    Russian Military Vehicles Crossed Into Ukraine - Business Insider

    A column of Russian armored personnel carriers (APCs) has reportedly crossed Russia's border with Ukraine. The APCs had earlier been seen traveling alongside a supposed Russian humanitarian convoy headed towards Ukraine's conflict-torn east.Evidence of Russian troop movement over the border supports the Ukrainian claim that Russian soldiers have been actively supporting pro-Moscow separatist militants in the region.
    Radio Free Europe is reporting the Russian advance as well.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russian.../26531206.html
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    Russian aid convoy waits near Ukraine Russian aid convoy waits near Ukraine - World News | TVNZ

    So the Ukrainians are inspecting these vehicles. - that's progress.
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    The convoy crossed the border today. Ukraine is furious and calls it an invasion but will not fire on the convoy. I'm hoping the Russians will use the trucks to remove their fighters from the Ukrainian territory.

    Why would they be empty?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...alks-1.1905382
    The convoy of almost 300 trucks – many of which are almost empty – adds another unpredictable element to a volatile conflict that has killed more than 2,000 people and displaced hundreds of thousands. The first trucks arrived last night in Luhansk, a city that has been without power, running water and telephone connections for almost a fortnight, and an island of rebel resistance to the rapid recent advance of Ukrainian troops.
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    "You don't start a war you cannot win" Castle
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    What about Putin's comments that Russia is a nuclear power etc. ?

    What does this tell us?

    Is it as bald as it seems? Is he just saying "Come too close and I will use nuclear weapons" ?

    Has he gone (=was he always) bonkers?
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    Putin knows better than to use nukes for something as little as this. Putin is going to do what he wants since the NATO nations aren't doing anything to help the Ukrainian government. If no one stops Putin he will just keep on taking more and more and eventually end up having the Ukraine under Russian control. This matter should have been dealt with the moment Russia INVADED the Ukraine but since no one has even tried to stop Russia then they will keep on taking more and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Putin knows better than to use nukes for something as little as this. Putin is going to do what he wants since the NATO nations aren't doing anything to help the Ukrainian government. If no one stops Putin he will just keep on taking more and more and eventually end up having the Ukraine under Russian control. This matter should have been dealt with the moment Russia INVADED the Ukraine but since no one has even tried to stop Russia then they will keep on taking more and more.
    Putin is offering Ukraine a ceasefire, but what I've heard about it, it seems more like a Ukrainian surrender.
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    looks like Putin saved the lives of all these ethnic russians -nato and usa will be soooooo sad i guess -they love war
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHolmes View Post
    looks like Putin saved the lives of all these ethnic russians -nato and usa will be soooooo sad i guess -they love war
    You'd have to be a little naive to say that; wouldn't you?
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    all of the sentence or one of the 3 ideas? no -youd be naiave to doubt me

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-jBj4zfX7U

    Ukraine's 'Road of Death': GRAPHIC aftermath of Donetsk airport approach gunfight - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHolmes View Post
    all of the sentence or one of the 3 ideas? no -youd be naiave to doubt me

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-jBj4zfX7U

    Ukraine's 'Road of Death': GRAPHIC aftermath of Donetsk airport approach gunfight - YouTube
    Pointless argument.
    That video clip proves nothing and does nothing for me.
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