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    It's with quite a bit of dismay that the media, while seemingly eager to report the humanitarian drops they seem reluctant to report any detail.... they report the drops on a mountaintop; which begs which one? They vaguely report the people's under attack by ISIS as a sect....Does this group have a name?

    Most of the stories in print and in the media are so lacking of detail an eight grade English teacher would give them a C for lack of detail.

    If it's important enough to use US airpower and engage the president, shouldn't the public know a bit more than such vague crap?

    The mountain in in the Sinjar mountain range and the peoples are the Yazidi, a Zoroastrian splinter religion with Kurdish ethnic links. A small group under a million, it also one the most persecuted groups of the past two centuries. Most Muslims in Iraq, consider them devil worshipers and often refer to Sinjar Mountains as the scar with lucifer was cast to hell by Allah(God). They worship Malik, interestingly a devil in Christianity and Islam, but by their accord a repentant angle who taught man. (it's a heck of a lot more complex and still mostly oral tradition). What I learned was only after hundreds of hours speaking to Sinjar community and military leaders teaching them border security as a military advisor.

    The Sinjar mountains are fascinating in their own right, forested until the early 20th century and once the headwaters of the what was once called the 3rd mighty river of Mesopotamia, the Thar Thar; today it's a massive whadi with hundreds of archeological sights adjacent to a once large river. Saladin, considered one of history's greatest generals was a Kurd from near Sinjar.

    Sinjar when I was there was thriving though surrounded by hundreds of abandoned farms and villages many of which were either destroyed by Saddam (or well destroyed) or by draught. The Yazidi have mostly abandoned their ancient city and escaped North to Kurdish controlled areas.

    Sorry for a bit of a rant and hope to peek a bit more interest and details about the mission.


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    Thanks, it always fascinates me to hear first-hand knowledge.

    This probably won't help much, but most US newspapers are written to the 6th grade reading level.

    It amazes me how a mere name excites such a response. I mean, unless these followers of "Malik" are roasting babies over a fire (or something evil like that), what makes them "evil"? Just the name? The word "Malik" merely means king, prince, master, etc. The Qur'an begins with the Surat al-Fatiha, which contains the phrase "Maliki yawmi din" meaning Master of the Judgment Day, referring to Allah.

    But for story content, I guess there's not much more exciting that people fleeing into the mountains, maybe trying to occupy higher ground, or returning to the security of the forest primeval, or crossing over a mountain range toward freedom or just greener pastures. When attacked (such as by wolves), muskox will immediately (instinctively?) turn and run uphill to gain the higher ground.

    Thanks for pointing out the Thar Thar, never heard of it before.


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    Well, at least the Yazidi make the news. The Muslim persecution of Christians goes largely unreported.

    Iraq's largest Christian town abandoned as Isis advance continues | World news | theguardian.com
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    Fox news briefly reported that 70% of the Yazidis have perished in Northern Iraq. People are killing their children to save them from capture or death. Christians are routinely murdered or raped and sold by ISIS.

    Report from Iraq: families throwing children from a mountain to keep them from terrorists
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    And where are those crack Iraq military troops with their American weapons and training?

    Oh that's right 4 divisions just laid down their weapons and surrendered to ISIS a month ago, great military there.

    So if the Iraq military won't fight for its own survival why in the hell should America send in more of its military just to see it be wasted away once again?

    America should ask Muslim countries to help IRAQ but doesn't i can't understand why America doesn't ask at least for money from the oil rich countries that surround Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    And where are those crack Iraq military troops with their American weapons and training?
    While we wasted considerable time training Iraqi troops to pave the way for American weapons sales to Iraq--I never saw any Iraqi units above squad level anyone would classify as particularly expertise.

    Oh that's right 4 divisions just laid down their weapons and surrendered to ISIS a month ago, great military there.

    So if the Iraq military won't fight for its own survival why in the hell should America send in more of its military just to see it be wasted away once again?
    This presumes those that laid down their arms didn't have Iraqi's survival in mind. The government is dysfunctional and non-inclusive of the various groups there--sadly a recipe for insurgency of the type that Iraqi's had since the 1950s.

    America should ask Muslim countries to help IRAQ but doesn't i can't understand why America doesn't ask at least for money from the oil rich countries that surround Iraq.
    The only neighbors that wouldn't welcome a Sunni government back in Iraq is Iran and probably Syria, because they too are fighting ISIS. Saudi is rather fundy in their religious views and probably privately supporting ISIS--so long as ISIS doesn't threaten Saudi $ they wouldn't mind; Turkey is more than happy to see ISIS destroy the Kurds.
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    ISIS is in large part homegrown from deeply frustrated Sunnis in Syria and Iraq. And in spite of the hawks who mistakenly got us in the 2nd Gulf war and American weapon's dealers who see another change to suck American tax payer's dry into a money pit, there's really little reason to go back. ISIS presents no real threat to America or European interest.
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    Economically for the USA it wouldn't make sense to have stability in the middle east to the point of not being able to take action against opec countries that try to sell oil for anything other than the USD. The lesson being taught is that if these countries try to modify the petrodollar agreement the USA will not protect them and probably ruin their country.

    ISIS is not a real threat to the USA or Russia and is creating chaos in the areas they occupy. This chaos creates extreme fear for those living in areas where ISIS could attack. It wouldn't be a major challenge for ISIS to enter Iran if the superpowers leave them alone. The reason for not taking ISIS out must be economic or political as there are too many good reasons to destroy this group which would be fairly easy to accomplish, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple007 View Post
    Economically for the USA it wouldn't make sense to have stability in the middle east....
    Economically it makes even less sense to have so much chaos that business can't function either, not to mention the crippling costs of a neverending war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
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    Economically for the USA it wouldn't make sense to have stability in the middle east....
    Economically it makes even less sense to have so much chaos that business can't function either, not to mention the crippling costs of a neverending war.
    The reason instability is economically good in opec countries is that the chaos creates conditions where its harder for opec countries to break away from the petrodollar deal. The USA will protect those that keep to the agreement.

    The USD can only remain the fiat currency of the world if the petrodollar agreement is intact. All countries need USDs to purchase opec oil. When this deal shifts then there is no longer be a need for the USD as the main fiat currency of the world. Currently, the USA is in the beginnings of a currency war against the BRICS. While the USA is the muscle behind the IMF, Russia and China are the muscle behind the BRICS.

    While the mainstream media is reporting heavy on the Robin Williams suicide they have not reported anything much about the 28,000 people recently killed as the result of ISIS aggression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple007 View Post
    Currently, the USA is in the beginnings of a currency war against the BRICS. While the USA is the muscle behind the IMF, Russia and China are the muscle behind the BRICS.

    While the mainstream media is reporting heavy on the Robin Williams suicide they have not reported anything much about the 28,000 people recently killed as the result of ISIS aggression.
    Most people have been limited in news interest for a very long time. Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch was stated in Time IIRC to once have said after being caught in a printed mistake 'oh well, we are only in the entertainment industry.' (Nice of Red Rupert, as he was known for his communist college rants and bust of Lenin, or his glowing support for Cuba as late as about 1980, etc.)

    As far as the BRICS go, all of those are really centrally managed, egotistical state run fossils dabbling with capitalism as a workhorse for the spoils. e.g. PRC economy GDP is about 70% state run companies, sort of a work farm for the lazy. One Chinese businessman told me personally that he sold to PRC state run companies that used, in 1997, whips on employees. Rarely enacted except as a threat he said, the need was due to poor work habits of those raised during the Cultural Revolution. This was before the routine factory suicide nets. Point is all of these countries have glaring flaws. Recall the tentative meetings of the far better then upsurging Japanese and the German state bank people about something similar to BRICS in the 1980's, which came to nothing. Let's not spin our wheels.

    I do not know much of how well the US economy is managed, though Secrets Of The Temple was a good read some 20 years ago. (A friend who just got elected on the top 10 economic papers of investment managers and introduced the book to me was amazed that majors are not taught of the FED workings in university.) But it is safe to say almost all is head and shoulders above that of BRICS. An interesting quote was by Lee Kuan Yew (founding father of Singapore) lamenting that the US was putting its best brains into arcane and abstruse money device inventions. I actually went to school with one of the guys working at the Federal Reserve, very, very smart. Brittle policy perhaps, we shall see, but not dumb as often presented.

    Besides, Victor Hanson Davis points out it is rare for a huge empire like the US or Rome to implode. Historically, Davis writes, corruption slowly eats away from the inside and the path and winds down in long term fits and starts (those invaded by an outsider that massively enslaves the locals are an exception to this). However, I do not discount the real possibility of an upset economic bust, and the certain inevitability of it. Best way in their minds is to cover it up with some sort of natural disaster that happens to come by, like a bird flu gone wild. A crisis too good to waste, as they say. We do in the US seem to presently have a very managed economy in a macro sense, but individually can run a wide array of businesses should the interest and ability be there.
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    The interesting thing about the BRICS, imo, is that these countries individually are no economic match against the USA. When considering these countries collectively it looks like a major military power with a global footprint as China, Russia and India all have nukes. Brazil has all kinds of natural resources including newly found off shore oil and gas fields. South Africa has natural resources like gold and diamonds. China, Russia and India has major economic ties to most of the world making it hard to actually enforce US sanctions against any of them.

    Another interesting item about the BRICS is they have been purchasing gold for quite some time. There is a decent chance they could create a fiat currency back with gold.
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    I expect nothing of value from the US media. There is almost no investigative reporting of real news items. Just BS. It doesn't matter. Fox, MSNBC, CBS CNN. All crap.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-aEtJVVdk

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHolmes View Post
    the less we know the more football we can watch

    Uh huh. I agree with you but freedom has its place, including the volition of wanting sports.

    About the Charlotte Iserbyt - The Secret History of Western Education
    vid, she has some points but does not seem to allow enough for those who are exceptions. Computers are completely breaking out the mold old ideas of education. A core of supremely educated and independent thinking persons very much does exist. Hard copy books have never been more plentiful and available upon a few clicks with Amazon/etc. And for the poor, at garage sales for those who still can read the older used books overloaded with pictures, libraries are often unloading their stocks at two bucks a big bag. While not desired and with some troubles, our society may well only occasion some speed bumps by such poor schooling. Be advised of the existence of this valued (IMO) piece:

    Why Nerds are Unpopular

    People have been been moaning of moral declines for ages. Though rather clearly not Socrates, and only a researcher's summary of general statements of the day, I found this interesting tangent presented as fact in newspapers over the years:

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    you watched it all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post

    Most of the stories in print and in the media are so lacking of detail an eight grade English teacher would give them a C for lack of detail.

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    Yeah, it almost sounds like something they wrote really quickly that morning because thats pretty much what they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHolmes View Post
    you watched it all?
    No, only about a 1/3. And my mind started wandering soon after she mentioned that her husband said he had long known of the Illuminati taking over the world. (Yes, Edison was part of the Illuminati, which is why he put so much effort into inventing the light bulb. And the Build-the-Burgers totally control all the hamburger fast food joints, including McDonalds and Burger Tyrant.)

    About 3,000 people 'watched' that video, or at least clicked it on. Charlotte Iserbyt sounds like a decent enough person, from that I watched, but in the fringe. She had a fairly minor position, and people came and went rather quickly in the Reagan administration, hers at most about a year. She was terminated because she leaked a document, according to the wiki entry.

    How much is true on this score of vast educational rats in the basement? Let's put it like this. Meddlers in education have long been widespread in America, sort of being Archimedes 'unmoved mover' or Richard Dawkins meme. For example, America's
    Bellamy salute:

    Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All from a Christian Socialist in the 1890's. How pleasant. But all is hardly a new experience of people trying to stick their foot into the door. While rather unrelated to fascist salutes, the point is that people will try to push the limits. Eventually, the internet will make home schooling the norm, not the exception (I guess), where formal school structure of such obvious bends are much easier noticed. If you want to debate the subject, anyone feel free to post a new topic thread and I will contribute to the discussion. Isaac Asimov wrote about the home schooling prediction in 1950/1:

    The Fun They Had - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Getting back to media reporting, I recall a 1990's/2000's article of a reporters bemoaning that the old college journalist tradition of 'who, what, when, where, how, why, etc) had gone out the window. Replacing it had/has become a gibberish of half baked nonsense, often with grammatical incorrect sentences and other former-crimes-now-legal in the profession. Internet has been chipping away at the base so much that the media is starting to be a loss leader, supported by those who wish to control even more than in the past. Much greater comedy will surely ensue.
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