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    Boner hosed it up again, like usual.

    Lie of the Year: the Romney campaign's ad on Jeeps made in China | PolitiFact

    Turns out far from moving to China, the Ohio plant is selling Jeeps to China.

    On Earth.


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    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."


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    Who cares. Romney is a proved looser quite unlikely to run again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."
    Which pales in comparison to "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."
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    Political lies needs more than a thread. It needs a tapestry a thousand miles wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."
    Yeah, the Teapublicans managed to sabotage that, too.
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    I'm beginning to see why I like you, Schneib; you're a liberal Democrat who isn't always willing to "play nice". I like that. We liberals tend to be more polite than do conservatives. I get tired of that, too. Swing away. I live in a very red state and I'm sometimes required to step out of my usually polite stance and rant at ignorance. Somebody's gotta'.
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    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."
    Yeah, the Teapublicans managed to sabotage that, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umbradiago View Post
    I'm beginning to see why I like you, Schneib; you're a liberal Democrat who isn't always willing to "play nice". I like that.
    I did too until he went full retard on us over in the affirmative action thread. accusing anyone that didn't agree with him had to be a republican, tea party moron that lies about voting for obama. No civility in that direction and it's counter productive to the cause.
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    Let's not bring disagreements from one thread into another. If you want to fight at least make it relevant to the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Let's not bring disagreements from one thread into another. If you want to fight at least make it relevant to the topic.
    sorry, just was commenting on umblag's comment, not looking for a fight. we both have each other blocked so it's not really a big deal I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schneibster View Post
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    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."
    Yeah, the Teapublicans managed to sabotage that, too.
    How did they sabotage it? They had nothing to do with that law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
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    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."
    Yeah, the Teapublicans managed to sabotage that, too.
    How did they sabotage it? They had nothing to do with that law.
    They rewrote most of it and threatened filibuster and blocked every chance they got unless they got the wording in it that they wanted. Obama was for single payer but Repubs shot that down super fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
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    It pales in comparison to "if you like your plan you can keep it."
    Yeah, the Teapublicans managed to sabotage that, too.
    How did they sabotage it? They had nothing to do with that law.
    They rewrote most of it and threatened filibuster and blocked every chance they got unless they got the wording in it that they wanted. Obama was for single payer but Repubs shot that down super fast.
    So, they forced the Democrats to lie about what was in it? I wouldn't classify voting against something you disagree with as "sabotage." It's called democracy.
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    That's the problem, they didn't vote for anything , they wouldn't let it go for a vote. Remember Bushes favorite slogan "Let it go for an up or down vote"? Repubs wouldn't let that happen after begging for it during the prior term.
    I didn't think the democrats were forced to lie, I don't think they lied at all. "If you like your plan you can keep it." Nobody lied, you just have to have something that resembles a "plan" first.

    I wrote on another board that it translates like this... if before car regulations came along you were driving on the freeway with a couple skate wheels strapped to a 2x4 and the president came with regulations and said "with these new regulations in place, if you like your car you can keep it" it wouldn't be a lie and is not a lie if when the regulations come through and define what a car is you are no longer allowed to drive your 2x4. You may not keep driving your "car" because it doesn't fit the definition of what a car is. So in essence you can't keep your "car" because you have never had one to begin with.

    If you like your plan you can keep it. It just had to be a plan first. If you lost your plan it wasn't a plan in the first place.... just like a 2x4 and a coupla skate wheels isn't a car.
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    Oh, come on now. The Democrats had a huge majority. They squashed every Republican amendment. Then after the 2010 election when they lost their super-majority in the senate, they rammed it through as a "budget reconciliation" so the Republicans couldn't filibuster. The bill is all Democrat - no republican votes. You own it. And yes, the Democrats did lie about it. They didn't say if, and or but, they said if you like your plan you can keep it. That's why Obama had to offer a 1-year extension for the non-conforming plans.

    Ted Cruz got accused of shutting down the government with his filibuster last year. All he wanted to do was extend the health care implementation for a year, which Obama ended up doing anyway on his own. Illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Oh, come on now. The Democrats had a huge majority. They squashed every Republican amendment. Then after the 2010 election when they lost their super-majority in the senate, they rammed it through as a "budget reconciliation" so the Republicans couldn't filibuster.
    Don't play the selective memory game. they didn't have a super majority and aside from that Obama didn't push forth any of this until his majority was gone. They "squashed every 'what' republican amendment"? not while bush was in office. there were few democrats in congress for bushes first 6 -7 years.

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    The bill is all Democrat - no republican votes. You own it.
    absolutely wrong. In what may have been Obama's stupidest moment he tried to negotiate with people that had no interest in doing so. So he ended up throwing out quite a bit in effort to get liar republicans on board.

    the most viable option for the proponents of comprehensive reform was for the House to abandon its own health reform bill, the affordable health care act and pass the Senate's bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, instead..
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    That bill was NOT what Dems wanted.

    negations in good faith
    negotiations were undertaken to satisfy the demands of moderate Democrats, and to try to bring aboard several Republican senators; particular attention was given to Bob Bennett, Mike Enzi, Chuck Grassley, and Olympia Snowe. Negotiations continued even after July 7 — when Franken was sworn into office, and by which time Specter had switched parties
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    And yes, the Democrats did lie about it. They didn't say if, and or but, they said if you like your plan you can keep it.
    They didn't need to. If you have a plan you like, you can keep it. It has to be a plan first, though. not a 2x4 with skate wheels. you follow?


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    That's why Obama had to offer a 1-year extension for the non-conforming plans.
    That's not why... i think he expected a better educated populace and not brain dead morons that only listen to AM radio right-wing swill.

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    Ted Cruz got accused of shutting down the government with his filibuster last year.
    He did shut down the government. He was "accused" because that's what he did.


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    All he wanted to do was extend the health care implementation for a year, which Obama ended up doing anyway on his own. Illegally.
    It was already extended, Cruz wanted longer, a stall tactic for sure... . but let me get this straight, Cruz wants to stall and that's perfectly fine but obama supposedly stalls and it's illegal?
    please get your news from more than one source (and that doesn't mean same editor and agenda but different channel or web address)
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    Cruz followed the rules of the Senate.

    Obama in defacto changed the law approved by Congress, which was no his preview (not just ignored it which gets more latitude) under executive powers unless it directly goes against the constitution or put the nation at risk by a lack of Congressional action--it fit neither. I also don't think theirs any doubt that his promise that people would keep their old plans was deliberately misleading to gain political traction--it was despicable and dishonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Cruz followed the rules of the Senate.
    Which shut it down

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    Obama in defacto changed the law approved by Congress, which was no his preview (not just ignored it which gets more latitude) under executive powers unless it directly goes against the constitution or put the nation at risk by a lack of Congressional action--it fit neither.
    ?? autocorrect ??


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    I also don't think theirs any doubt that his promise that people would keep their old plans was deliberately misleading to gain political traction--it was despicable and dishonest.
    we disagree... you might be right and the ends don't justify the means in any situation... however I can think of far more things to call despicable.
    Lets say Obama did lie... it was only to counter the misleading truths that the repubs were spinning. How come Obama gets despicable and not the Repubs for setting up that situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
    That bill was NOT what Dems wanted.
    They were all sipping champagne. They thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Biden said it was a big effing deal. Now they're running away from it because people hate it so much.

    They didn't need to. If you have a plan you like, you can keep it. It has to be a plan first, though. not a 2x4 with skate wheels. you follow?
    This is the same kind of reasoning as "it depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Obama said if you like your plan, you can keep it. Period. When you say "period," that means there's not supposed to be any more weasel words coming to qualify the statement. Period.

    . i think he expected a better educated populace and not brain dead morons that only listen to AM radio right-wing swill.
    So if you have a brain dead electorate, you can feed them lies to set them on the right track, right?


    He did shut down the government. He was "accused" because that's what he did.
    Here's the rule on government shutdowns, as per the mainstream media. If there is a budget impasse and the government is shutdown, check to see which party has control of Congress and which has the presidency. If the president is Republican, then the president shut down the government. If the president is a Democrat, then Congress shut down the government. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
    That bill was NOT what Dems wanted.
    They were all sipping champagne. They thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Biden said it was a big effing deal. Now they're running away from it because people hate it so much.
    No they weren't and people don't hate it. yes "lots of coverage and no denial of service. those bastards at the guvment!! what were they thinking?!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    They didn't need to. If you have a plan you like, you can keep it. It has to be a plan first, though. not a 2x4 with skate wheels. you follow?
    This is the same kind of reasoning as "it depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Obama said if you like your plan, you can keep it. Period. When you say "period," that means there's not supposed to be any more weasel words coming to qualify the statement. Period.
    Not really. If you have a plan you can keep it. but you have to have a plan. Not something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    . i think he expected a better educated populace and not brain dead morons that only listen to AM radio right-wing swill.
    So if you have a brain dead electorate, you can feed them lies to set them on the right track, right?
    We're not talking about republicans here. We're talking about Obama not realizing the intelligence of the electorate and combating the willful misinformation from the right. As I said before the ends never justify the means but sometimes the only way to fight fire is with fire.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    He did shut down the government. He was "accused" because that's what he did.
    Here's the rule on government shutdowns, as per the mainstream media. If there is a budget impasse and the government is shutdown, check to see which party has control of Congress and which has the presidency. If the president is Republican, then the president shut down the government. If the president is a Democrat, then Congress shut down the government. Simple.
    Sounds to me like you would just like to ignore the facts of the situation and reduce it to a "liberal media" conspiracy. Utter brainwashed ridiculousness
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
    No they weren't and people don't hate it. yes "lots of coverage and no denial of service. those bastards at the guvment!! what were they thinking?!"
    Then tell me why all the candidates for Congress are running away from it, and why Obama is polling around 40% approval.
    Not really. If you have a plan you can keep it. but you have to have a plan. Not something else.
    You are just rationalizing the lie. People who had a health care plan, as it is commonly understood, thought they would be able to keep it. They couldn't. Now, somebody who actually read and understood it would know that that they were only going to get to keep their old policy for a year, any little bitty change to the policy like a premium hike of 5%, would disqualify it. But a lot of people believed the lie, if they weren't smart enough to watch Fox News or some other impartial source and get the true information.
    We're not talking about republicans here. We're talking about Obama not realizing the intelligence of the electorate and combating the willful misinformation from the right. As I said before the ends never justify the means but sometimes the only way to fight fire is with fire.
    You're talking in riddles. The end doesn't justify the means, except when it does, I suppose.

    Sounds to me like you would just like to ignore the facts of the situation and reduce it to a "liberal media" conspiracy. Utter brainwashed ridiculousness
    Wrong. The facts of the situation say Obama shut down the government. He insisted there could be no compromise. He refused to negotiate. Obamacare was the law of the land, and could never be compromised or delayed. Then later he compromised and delayed it, proving the government shutdown was all on him.
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    [QUOTE=Harold14370;541389] if they weren't smart enough to watch Fox News or some other impartial source[quote]
    Best quote of the thread.

    "If they weren't willing to listen to Rush Limbaugh or some other impartial source . . . ."
    "If they weren't willing to believe Putin or some other uninterested party on the Crimean issue . . . "
    "If they're not willing to listen to OJ Simpson or some other unbiased witness in the murder case . . ."

    Wrong. The facts of the situation say Obama shut down the government.
    So so far he's been the only entity in the government who has actually reduced spending, ironically enough. Apparently the "Obamaquester" (coined by the GOP) has been the biggest spending cut in the past two years.
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