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    Not twenty meters from me is some 'Very' sensitive equipment.. Some of it is used for probing into the sub strata of the sea floor..
    ~ Those mountains and rifts we search for volcanic vents and measure so precisely as to measure seismic uplifts or bulging magma.. and detect petroleum bearing rock structures.. and with a little fine tuning I would be confident any metal object laying on the sea floor could be found.. After all we 'KNOW' that one of the methods used for finding a submarine is to detect it's magnetic signature.. When I used that word sensitive..I did mean sensitive.. ' IF' the cost of the search is of issue we are never going to look..
    ~ I witter on about finding M H 370 because we need to know what happened to render it disabled to fly until it exhausted it's fuel.. some place in the Southern Indian Ocean. We can and have speculated enough.. we do need to know.
    What I do not know is at what depth does this equipment fail to penetrate.. the 6 ~ 8 km deep ocean.
    ~ and of another point; I have been told that It ( the 777 ) had all the tech gear we have to help it be safe ( and found ) but that it was'nt and has'nt
    It's not good enough.. Hells teeth, what if it was A F 1. could it just be lost ? We have failed.
    As for those speculative answers.. Batteries in the forward cargo hold burn and poison the crew while damaging the transponder circuits.. The crew or other turns the flight South and then is overcome by the poisonous smoke.. the flight management computers change the heading and it flies out into the Indian Ocean, and as the Sun rose it sunk we do not know where.. I am not aware of any other information to narrow the search grid.. Months.. not decades, please..
    From the bridge and control room of the 'Tangaroa' I stare out into a wild and heaving sea and wonder if we will ever know what really did happen to those 239 People. I feel grief at the thought that in 2014 we can loos a wide body Boeing 777. Is disappointing the right word ?
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    This is just one person's thoughts. Years maybe, but not decades. I can't believe that it landed on the water and sank without breaking apart and lighter parts floated away. I can't believe that the whole thing went down in one piece. Something will wash ashore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    This is just one person's thoughts. Years maybe, but not decades. I can't believe that it landed on the water and sank without breaking apart and lighter parts floated away. I can't believe that the whole thing went down in one piece. Something will wash ashore.
    What about partially breaking up and sinking after a couple of days, so it is no longer exactly on the southern arc? But you could well be right about something coming ashore, but there would be quite a mission to link an item with the plane. I wonder if there are people looking along the coast of Australia.
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    Could a Graves type device be used on a much larger scale to locate any metal as it does for finding meteorites?

    The graves transmitter is not a perfect radio beacon. Firstly, the part of the spectrum in which it operates may be used by other services and falls near the second harmonic of a PMR channel. Interfering signals are however distinguishable from meteor echoes if the receiver has a good enough signal-to-noise ratio. Secondly, the signal is not truly continuous. The antenna radiation pattern is switched on a timescale of 3.2 seconds or longer, and this can modulate long meteor echoes. Also, when atmospheric conditions permit direct signal pickup, it causes an intermittent carrier signal to heard on the radar frequency. Thirdly, the radiation pattern is much more tightly controlled than that of a broadcast transmitter, restricting the region of ionosphere from which echoes can be received. Finally, the meteor echoes are relatively weak due to the short wavelength (λ=2.1m), there being a 14dB disadvantage relative to the 6m TV band because signal strength is proportional to λ3.
    In East Devon, due to the short wavelength and the long distance to the transmitter, it is necessary to use a good radio receiver. Some commentators attach little importance to receiver performance, but 2m amateur radio transceivers of 1980s vintage typically had front end noise figures of around 14dB, and the practice of connecting antennas using tin-plated cheapernet RG58 cable can easily increase the overall noise figure to 20dB or worse. Such an installation will give poor results, and worse still, the 1/f noise of a worn-out front-end transistor can combine with received CW signals to produce an output which can be mistaken for meteor echoes.
    Ideally, a mast mounted low-noise preamplifier with a good roofing filter will give the best scientific outcome. Good test results were obtained however using receivers having <1dB noise figure and connecting to the antenna using low-loss cable to obtain an overall noise figure of <2dB.
    The chosen observation method was to set the receiver to 'upper-sideband' mode (USB) and tune to 143.049 MHz. In that case, signals at 143.050 MHz are heard as 1KHz audio tones, and Doppler shifts are measured relative to this 1KHz datum (which is nominal, depending on drift and calibration error). Audio signals were converted into spectrograms using a computer and the venerable Spectrumlab software of DL4YHF:
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    ~ It's like they were listening to me . Well, sort of.. at the Parliament of NZ today the 'minister' of transport has announced a change of aircraft safety standards is required by law by 2016 and has auctioned such as to all passenger carrying aircraft to have a a tracking system fitted.. So as that the aircraft can be tract at all times in all locations.
    ~ Note that NZ as a Island nation has a ocean of considerable size to cross regardless of the direction taken.. It's a logical conclusion, bravo..
    ~ Bob asked of looking along the coast of AU.. for flotsam.. ya can bet on it.. But a great deal of that coastline is rugged and wave swept.. The edge of the Australian continent.. Thousands of thousands of rocky regard outcrops. A ship could run aground and be broken up and lost without trace.. In a high running sea. A troubling thought when you are on a 70 meter ship.. We are rounding North Cape on our homeward run... with a eye on the radar screens .. The weather has turned to crap.. We are running from it.. We could pass a ship and not see it.. So I think the finding of bits of washed up junk from MH370 has passed.. I would like to be wrong..
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    Could MH370 have crashed in AU? Is all of AU ringed by radar? Isn't the NW corner of AU sparsely populated?
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    Australia's North West is in parts not populated.. at all.. But you would be wrong to think unobserved..
    No transponder signal did emanate from the mainland AU. M H 370 did not land or crash land on the Australian mainland..
    That as a news item in tonight's news the search area has been further refined in the Southern Arc of the previous search area.
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    officials believe Flight 370 was operating on autopilot the entire time it was flying across a vast expanse of the southern Indian Ocean, ... [and] the jet was on autopilot when it crashed in a remote stretch of the Indian Ocean
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    That arc will only work if the plane sunk immediately but I don't believe it did. It could have floated for some days and hence they need to take into account 2 days drift as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
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    officials believe Flight 370 was operating on autopilot the entire time it was flying across a vast expanse of the southern Indian Ocean, ... [and] the jet was on autopilot when it crashed in a remote stretch of the Indian Ocean
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    When this is said "The shift was expected, with Dolan saying last week the new zone would be south of an area where a remote-controlled underwater drone spent weeks fruitlessly combing 330 square miles of seabed. That search area was determined by a series of underwater sounds initially thought to have come from the plane's black boxes. But those signals are now widely believed to have come from some other source."
    You get the feeling work needs to be done to eliminate what causes these other erroneous signals.
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    That search area was determined by a series of underwater sounds initially thought to have come from the plane's black boxes. But those signals are now widely believed to have come from some other source."
    You get the feeling work needs to be done to eliminate what causes these other erroneous signals.
    Yes. And I've read the same thing ... "some other source". So what is it? Biological? Manmade?

    One would think that black box designers would make the signals rather unique. Wikipedia says 10 ms per second at 37.5KHz. The pulse width could also be doubled for one duty cycle and zeroed for another: 10, 20, 10, 0, 10, 20, 10, 0, 10, 20, 10, 0, 10, etc. Or lengthen the duty cycle. Do we really need one ping per second, or would every 10 seconds do as well? Or slowly extend it: 1 second for 1st wk, 2 seconds for 2nd wk, 3 seconds for 3rd wk, etc. The batteries would last much longer; more helpful for finding both MH370 and AF447.

    The detection equipment could use three transducers to provide a 3-D bearing to the source. This is very easy to do, we're not talking rocket science.

    I think the best we can say at this point is we must learn lessons about these deep water crashes (MH370, AF447, etc). We need time to transport equipment to site. We need more time to locate them.
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    At the request of several members, the MH17 story, the plane shot down, has been split off from MH370 flight lost over the Indian Ocean.
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    Tragedies....I won't fly Malaysian!! GF worked for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Tragedies....I won't fly Malaysian!! GF worked for them.
    Who was GF again?
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    "Malaysia Airlines MH370 British Sailor Katherine Tee 'Saw Burning Plane' Over Indian Ocean" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef5TsgVBIUk at 50 seconds it states the plane flew from the North to the South.

    On fire ad heading south. That doesn't sound like a hijacking to me.
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    Facts from the ground crew's attempted satellite call to MH370 during its mysterious flight suggests that the plane may have turned south earlier than previously calculated, thus emphasizing the probability that the plane may have gone down in a more southerly portion of the possible search area.

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    Without knowing the facts, I assume the newly considered information is metadata from the attempted call, specifically, which satellite the automated phone system choose to route the call through and that satellite's location at that time compared the locations of other satellites that the system could have chosen.

    In other words, the satellite phone system would have chosen the satellite closest to the plane to route the call through, and compared to all the satellites it would have considered and their locations at the time of the attempted call, the choosing of this satellite suggests the plane was more south at that time than previously thought (and thus, the assumption that the plane turned south earlier than previously calculated).

    Obviously, the phone system must have known the location of the plane somehow, maybe simply by pinging it through various satellites or maybe if the plane had GPS, then by its GPS location transmitted to the phone system but not saved by the system due to the system treating it as merely temporary working data. Just my assumptions, of course.
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    Sad to hear that Malaysian Airlines are set to make thousands of redundancies. I flew with them from KL to Borneo and back and they were fine. KLIA is my second favourite airport after Changi in Singapore. I really look forward to flying with them again someday.
    I understand that no airline has lost 2 planes in disasters like these since the 1950's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    NO WAY would I fly Malaysian.
    The second plane lost was just bad luck wasn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    NO WAY would I fly Malaysian.
    The second plane lost was just bad luck wasn't it?
    Well I'd never go to Malaysia either.
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    I have, and will again.. Fly MA and travel in.. A humble and generous people.. A countryside that can only amaze..
    A culture of care.. and with a passion to please.. and as for the airline now befallen by a lac of bookings.. and destined to fail..
    It's unwarranted but understandably real... The knee jerk reaction is sad, and costing.. and real.
    From Sydney to KL and from KL to Heathrow.. MH 12 and MH 02 and with a flight crew I would want to fly with again..
    and the food was great.. and I measure against Quantas and Air New Zealand. Whom both have very high standards of customer care.
    If you want my view it would be Emerits, Quantas, and Malaysian Airlines.. for great customer care and comfort..
    From the known facts I can not conclude ANY fault of the airline of both of these tragic losses.. As of MH 17. It was one of 5 aircraft that used that flight corridor that morning. Yes unfortunate, but the company are blameless.. and of MH 370. We do not yet know what happened at all..
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I have, and will again.. Fly MA and travel in.. A humble and generous people.. A countryside that can only amaze..
    A culture of care.. and with a passion to please.. and as for the airline now befallen by a lac of bookings.. and destined to fail..
    It's unwarranted but understandably real... The knee jerk reaction is sad, and costing.. and real.
    From Sydney to KL and from KL to Heathrow.. MH 12 and MH 02 and with a flight crew I would want to fly with again..
    and the food was great.. and I measure against Quantas and Air New Zealand. Whom both have very high standards of customer care.
    If you want my view it would be Emerits, Quantas, and Malaysian Airlines.. for great customer care and comfort..
    From the known facts I can not conclude ANY fault of the airline of both of these tragic losses.. As of MH 17. It was one of 5 aircraft that used that flight corridor that morning. Yes unfortunate, but the company are blameless.. and of MH 370. We do not yet know what happened at all..

    Daughter had to work there for 3 days. She was told not to leave her hotel room at night, as it wasn't safe for her. She said walking as a business woman in VERY MODEST clothing, and she had never seen hate like that in people's eyes. She told them to get her out of there. I won't ever go there. I go where I feel welcomed and safe. She traves extensively, and if she felt totally unsafe, I respect her opinion. She has nine years of traveling the globe.

    Sorry Astro...this is one we won't see eye to eye on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I have, and will again.. Fly MA and travel in.. A humble and generous people.. A countryside that can only amaze..
    A culture of care.. and with a passion to please.. and as for the airline now befallen by a lac of bookings.. and destined to fail..
    It's unwarranted but understandably real... The knee jerk reaction is sad, and costing.. and real.
    From Sydney to KL and from KL to Heathrow.. MH 12 and MH 02 and with a flight crew I would want to fly with again..
    and the food was great.. and I measure against Quantas and Air New Zealand. Whom both have very high standards of customer care.
    If you want my view it would be Emerits, Quantas, and Malaysian Airlines.. for great customer care and comfort..
    From the known facts I can not conclude ANY fault of the airline of both of these tragic losses.. As of MH 17. It was one of 5 aircraft that used that flight corridor that morning. Yes unfortunate, but the company are blameless.. and of MH 370. We do not yet know what happened at all..

    Daughter had to work there for 3 days. She was told not to leave her hotel room at night, as it wasn't safe for her. She said walking as a business woman in VERY MODEST clothing, and she had never seen hate like that in people's eyes. She told them to get her out of there. I won't ever go there. I go where I feel welcomed and safe. She traves extensively, and if she felt totally unsafe, I respect her opinion. She has nine years of traveling the globe.

    Sorry Astro...this is one we won't see eye to eye on.
    How they would react to a business woman is something we will never experience. If that was the case I don't blame you Babe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I have, and will again.. Fly MA and travel in.. A humble and generous people.. A countryside that can only amaze..
    A culture of care.. and with a passion to please.. and as for the airline now befallen by a lac of bookings.. and destined to fail..
    It's unwarranted but understandably real... The knee jerk reaction is sad, and costing.. and real.
    From Sydney to KL and from KL to Heathrow.. MH 12 and MH 02 and with a flight crew I would want to fly with again..
    and the food was great.. and I measure against Quantas and Air New Zealand. Whom both have very high standards of customer care.
    If you want my view it would be Emerits, Quantas, and Malaysian Airlines.. for great customer care and comfort..
    From the known facts I can not conclude ANY fault of the airline of both of these tragic losses.. As of MH 17. It was one of 5 aircraft that used that flight corridor that morning. Yes unfortunate, but the company are blameless.. and of MH 370. We do not yet know what happened at all..

    Daughter had to work there for 3 days. She was told not to leave her hotel room at night, as it wasn't safe for her. She said walking as a business woman in VERY MODEST clothing, and she had never seen hate like that in people's eyes. She told them to get her out of there. I won't ever go there. I go where I feel welcomed and safe. She traves extensively, and if she felt totally unsafe, I respect her opinion. She has nine years of traveling the globe.

    Sorry Astro...this is one we won't see eye to eye on.
    How they would react to a business woman is something we will never experience. If that was the case I don't blame you Babe.
    She truly travels extensively. If she didn't feel safe, there was a good reason. Only place she felt threatened. Company flew her out the next day. Her father and I had a good friend who worked for Malaysian Air and always wanted us to go there, (she passed away about 10 years ago at age 37. The kids loved her. I think that is one reason she accepted the assignment.
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    I have first hand knowledge of travel through Malaysia.. There are some areas I would not go near.. or through.
    There are some peoples with a very big anti west attitude. I notice many parts of the world are not so easy to feel safe in..
    I both, understand your daughters experiences and agree.. She would be in some danger just being in some parts of the Malaysian area..
    Some parts of the city are not friendly to visitors of foreign origin. Away from the larger population centers It's a great place filled with people just like us..along the coastal roads I met and enjoyed the friendly welcomes.. and felt both safe and welcome.. I was traveling by motor cycle and alone.. and would go there again. I am not a young good looking person.. Ugly and older can be a good thing.. and just to support your view.. When my own daughter went through KL airport.. I told her not to leave the safety of the airport.. Now back to subject ( sorry ) I would not for a minute blame the airline for what "Might" have happened to MH 370.. " IF " the pilot did commit a horrid act it is still not clear he did.. is it ? How could that be the airlines fault ? and of the other flight. Pilots do take upon themselves to navigate around bad weather. That the flight MH 17 was blown out of the sky had nothing whatsoever to do with Malaysian Airlines..
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I have first hand knowledge of travel through Malaysia.. There are some areas I would not go near.. or through.
    There are some peoples with a very big anti west attitude. I notice many parts of the world are not so easy to feel safe in..
    I both, understand your daughters experiences and agree.. She would be in some danger just being in some parts of the Malaysian area..
    Some parts of the city are not friendly to visitors of foreign origin. Away from the larger population centers It's a great place filled with people just like us..along the coastal roads I met and enjoyed the friendly welcomes.. and felt both safe and welcome.. I was traveling by motor cycle and alone.. and would go there again. I am not a young good looking person.. Ugly and older can be a good thing.. and just to support your view.. When my own daughter went through KL airport.. I told her not to leave the safety of the airport.. Now back to subject ( sorry ) I would not for a minute blame the airline for what "Might" have happened to MH 370.. " IF " the pilot did commit a horrid act it is still not clear he did.. is it ? How could that be the airlines fault ? and of the other flight. Pilots do take upon themselves to navigate around bad weather. That the flight MH 17 was blown out of the sky had nothing whatsoever to do with Malaysian Airlines..
    I have not heard any news lately on the airlines, partially because I am so busy busy busy moving.

    I can understand your experiences.

    Very few places that girl wont go! She is an adventurous one!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Daughter had to work there for 3 days. She was told not to leave her hotel room at night, as it wasn't safe for her. She said walking as a business woman in VERY MODEST clothing, and she had never seen hate like that in people's eyes. She told them to get her out of there. I won't ever go there. I go where I feel welcomed and safe. She traves extensively, and if she felt totally unsafe, I respect her opinion. She has nine years of traveling the globe.

    Sorry Astro...this is one we won't see eye to eye on.
    Utterly bizarre! Where in Malaysia? Who told her not leave her hotel room? What independent evidence do you have that their advice was sound? Clearly you think it is possible to detect "hate in people's eyes" across cultures. I call bullshit on that.

    I've visited Malaysia many times, the Peninsula, Sabah and Sarawak. I've spent weeks in KL with female colleagues, European, Indian and Latin American, none of whom have reported any concerns whatsoever.

    And you won't see eye to eye with Astro or me since you very clearly have your eyes shut. Babe, I am ashamed of you.
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    ... There are some areas I would not go near.. or through.....
    I deliberately avoid stopping in Detroit if at all possible, Nashville isn't very nice either in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    She truly travels extensively. If she didn't feel safe, there was a good reason. Only place she felt threatened. Company flew her out the next day. Her father and I had a good friend who worked for Malaysian Air and always wanted us to go there, (she passed away about 10 years ago at age 37. The kids loved her. I think that is one reason she accepted the assignment.
    Only places I've felt threatened have been right here in the US. I think a lot of what you experience in another people is due to how you treat them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
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    ... There are some areas I would not go near.. or through.....
    I deliberately avoid stopping in Detroit if at all possible, Nashville isn't very nice either in my opinion.

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    Daughter had to work there for 3 days. She was told not to leave her hotel room at night, as it wasn't safe for her. She said walking as a business woman in VERY MODEST clothing, and she had never seen hate like that in people's eyes. She told them to get her out of there. I won't ever go there. I go where I feel welcomed and safe. She traves extensively, and if she felt totally unsafe, I respect her opinion. She has nine years of traveling the globe.

    Sorry Astro...this is one we won't see eye to eye on.
    Utterly bizarre! Where in Malaysia? Who told her not leave her hotel room? What independent evidence do you have that their advice was sound? Clearly you think it is possible to detect "hate in people's eyes" across cultures. I call bullshit on that.

    I've visited Malaysia many times, the Peninsula, Sabah and Sarawak. I've spent weeks in KL with female colleagues, European, Indian and Latin American, none of whom have reported any concerns whatsoever.

    And you won't see eye to eye with Astro or me since you very clearly have your eyes shut. Babe, I am ashamed of you.
    Sounds like an interesting battle is erupting!
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    Sounds like an interesting battle is erupting!
    No battle. I will not dignify such a narrow minded attitude with a battle. I have made my opinion clear. I have no further interest in the matter. If you want a battle, find me a creationist to rip asunder. (I can't even argue with you anymore - you've started making sensible posts.)
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    Sounds like an interesting battle is erupting!
    No battle. I will not dignify such a narrow minded attitude with a battle. I have made my opinion clear. I have no further interest in the matter. If you want a battle, find me a creationist to rip asunder. (I can't even argue with you anymore - you've started making sensible posts.)
    I sided with Babe's daughter on that issue for it was an experience she had, and that was from a young business woman's perspective, something that most of us couldn't experience since we are male.
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    I sided with Babe's daughter on that issue for it was an experience she had, and that was from a young business woman's perspective, something that most of us couldn't experience since we are male.
    Which is precisely why I cited the positive experiences of three young business women, from three different cultures. Were you not paying attention? For ****'s sake, I've had guns pointed at me multiple times in Nigeria and been effectively mugged by the police there and I still have no problem with the place and think the people are great. To base your judgement of a place on a single incident is irrational at best.

    I've flown Malaysian Airlines before. I shall fly them again. I've taken the same flight number that was shot down over Ukraine more than once. I've probably been in that specific plane. What's the issue? Airline travel has a risk associated with it. Getting up in the morning is risky. Staying in bed is risky. Shock, horror, being alive eventually leads to being dead.
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    I've flown Malaysian Airlines before. I shall fly them again. I've taken the same flight number that was shot down over Ukraine more than once. I've probably been in that specific plane.
    Indeed. I came within 20 minutes of being on American Airlines flight 11 on September 11, 2001. I still fly American on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    Daughter had to work there for 3 days. She was told not to leave her hotel room at night, as it wasn't safe for her. She said walking as a business woman in VERY MODEST clothing, and she had never seen hate like that in people's eyes. She told them to get her out of there. I won't ever go there. I go where I feel welcomed and safe. She traves extensively, and if she felt totally unsafe, I respect her opinion. She has nine years of traveling the globe.

    Sorry Astro...this is one we won't see eye to eye on.
    Utterly bizarre! Where in Malaysia? Who told her not leave her hotel room? What independent evidence do you have that their advice was sound? Clearly you think it is possible to detect "hate in people's eyes" across cultures. I call bullshit on that.

    I've visited Malaysia many times, the Peninsula, Sabah and Sarawak. I've spent weeks in KL with female colleagues, European, Indian and Latin American, none of whom have reported any concerns whatsoever.

    And you won't see eye to eye with Astro or me since you very clearly have your eyes shut. Babe, I am ashamed of you.
    Sorry to disappoint you John Galt and by the way great to see you again. She was told by her firm. Second, she experienced personal problems while walking down the street and I am sorry to not now the Place in Malaysia she was in, but, for her, to feel so fearful, is utterly unusual as her experiences in her travels. It was the only time she felt unsafe ever..

    That is her experience.

    I don't have my eyes shut.
    My girlfriend WORKED for Malaysia AIrlines till her death at 38 years of age. She loved it.

    Her experience and yours and your friends were different.

    I stand by my daughter. She is well traveled and has NEVER no matter where in the world as her company is international had such a strong experience before.

    SO if you are ashamed of me, well then be. I stand by my daughter and her experience, as what I stated.

    I cannot speak for others experiences.

    Nor can I tell you the firm name. But is one of the largest in her field in the world. SO when they warn her.....which is rare if ever...you listen
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    In my experience Malaysia is a great place to visit. I have visited about 50 countries and I would certainly put it in the top 5.
    Having travelled all over peninsular Malaysia and Sabah, Borneo I can recommend Taman Negara National Park (oldest jungle in world), Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Malacca, Pulau Pangkor, Pulau Langkawi, Mount Kinabalu, Fraser's Hill, Cameron Highlands, the jungle railway between Kota Bahru and Jerantut, the friendly people, the mix of native Malay, Chinese and Indian. Never had a problem other than with the cash machines which can be a bit temperamental.

    On the other hand, on my 3 visits to USA, knife pulled on me in NY, mugged in NY, hassled in DC, smashed on the head in LA when quietly walking along the road. SF the only place I felt relatively safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    In my experience Malaysia is a great place to visit. I have visited about 50 countries and I would certainly put it in the top 5.
    Having travelled all over peninsular Malaysia and Sabah, Borneo I can recommend Taman Negara National Park (oldest jungle in world), Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Malacca, Pulau Pangkor, Pulau Langkawi, Mount Kinabalu, Fraser's Hill, Cameron Highlands, the jungle railway between Kota Bahru and Jerantut, the friendly people, the mix of native Malay, Chinese and Indian. Never had a problem other than with the cash machines which can be a bit temperamental.

    On the other hand, on my 3 visits to USA, knife pulled on me in NY, mugged in NY, hassled in DC, smashed on the head in LA when quietly walking along the road. SF the only place I felt relatively safe.
    Were you a white, non Muslim business woman in a suit?

    You can't compare a male experience to that of a female in some countries.

    It isn't the same.

    Daughter lived in NYC and never had an incident. Never in San Francisco, never in France, Holland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Slovenia, Singapore, India, Morocco, South Africa, Brazil, Israel, Poland, Belgium, and I know I am missing at least 10 other countries.

    She has a solid base. Her judgement was based on her person experience and her instructions by her firm because of her physicality. She has always followed dress customs.

    Her only bad experience was in Malaysia
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    ~ We can all see and empathize with you. The experiences your doughtier has had I do not doubt.. I only chimed in because I saw a comment made regarding not ever flying 'Malaysian Airlines' Disregarding all of the travel warnings and of unsafe behaviors.. experienced.. I would go out of my way to fly with them..
    That air line is right up near the top of my preferred carrier list.. Good service is remembered.. I commented to show you your judgments may be clouded by personal issues.. That's not unfair.. Just as my views are coloured by the warmth and generosities I met.
    We are fine..
    ~ I saw you comment, regarding 'moving'.. where to ? and good safe travels..
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    I should also have mentioned the time when I caught a flight from NZ to LA. The flight was delayed and by the time I reached LAX I was totally exhausted. That made no impression on the Immigration officer who took me to one side and grilled me for about 20 minutes causing me to miss my ongoing connection.
    I assume they pick on solo travellers who are an easy target. To be fair I have also found this coming back into the UK. By contrast I've not had a problem with entering Malaysia either by air or land.
    Worst places for immigration desks are USA and UK.

    If your daughter had a bad experience I can only think that she might have been too correct in her demeanour. I have seen plenty of scantily clad females in muslim countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    ~ We can all see and empathize with you. The experiences your doughtier has had I do not doubt.. I only chimed in because I saw a comment made regarding not ever flying 'Malaysian Airlines' Disregarding all of the travel warnings and of unsafe behaviors.. experienced.. I would go out of my way to fly with them..
    That air line is right up near the top of my preferred carrier list.. Good service is remembered.. I commented to show you your judgments may be clouded by personal issues.. That's not unfair.. Just as my views are coloured by the warmth and generosities I met.
    We are fine..
    ~ I saw you comment, regarding 'moving'.. where to ? and good safe travels..

    I am in the middle of the move from hell. Trust me.....moving things out of one house to sell to another house to live .... NIGHTMARE!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    I should also have mentioned the time when I caught a flight from NZ to LA. The flight was delayed and by the time I reached LAX I was totally exhausted. That made no impression on the Immigration officer who took me to one side and grilled me for about 20 minutes causing me to miss my ongoing connection.
    I assume they pick on solo travellers who are an easy target. To be fair I have also found this coming back into the UK. By contrast I've not had a problem with entering Malaysia either by air or land.
    Worst places for immigration desks are USA and UK.

    If your daughter had a bad experience I can only think that she might have been too correct in her demeanour. I have seen plenty of scantily clad females in muslim countries.

    She did not have a problem at the airport. She had it from the hotel she was at...(5 star business) to her clients.

    She has always dressed according to the laws of the land.

    She isn't ignorant, stupid or incapable in her MANY travels all over this world of not knowing the no's and yes's.

    Her experience had to do with her being a ginger, white attractive woman who was NOT required to wear anything and dressed in REQUired business attire appropriate for her company. She travels SOLO a lot and NEVER has a problem at airports.

    SO KISS that one off buster!

    You are freaking out of line with that.

    READ where my daughter travels.

    THEY were out of line.

    NOT SHE

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    her company pulled her out of there the next day.

    She wasn't a amateur in the process but a very learned traveler.
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    Sorry but to insinuate that she was ANYTHING other then properly dressed for work and they have a dress code, and it was WORK.....and she ate in her ROOM...she never left it but for work because her COMPANY TOLD HER NOT TO LEAVE HER ROOM!!! IT WAS NOT SAFE!!!

    SO she never was out at all except FOR WORK!
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    And you accept this single event as evidence of a serious problem, despite the wealth of contrary evidence. That is illogical.

    Your response to ox's post suggests you have entirely misread what he has said, to the extent that he would be quite right to ask for an apology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    And you accept this single event as evidence of a serious problem, despite the wealth of contrary evidence. That is illogical.

    Your response to ox's post suggests you have entirely misread what he has said, to the extent that he would be quite right to ask for an apology.
    YES I DO!

    IT IS REGARDING WOMEN!! NOT MEN!

    MEN have a totally different experience.

    Sorry and sad to say but true.

    I stand by what I said.

    And John you know I respect you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Your response to ox's post suggests you have entirely misread what he has said, to the extent that he would be quite right to ask for an apology.
    I think Babe is stressed at the moment.
    Babe, if you have time please unwind at the golf course. I know you like the game. I find that hitting something that is unlikely to come back at you is a good therapy for stress.
    I will seek the opinion of my Malay friends as to why your daughter might have had a bad experience there and report back with any opinion they have. The last time I was there was 2008, but things might have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
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    Your response to ox's post suggests you have entirely misread what he has said, to the extent that he would be quite right to ask for an apology.
    I think Babe is stressed at the moment.
    Babe, if you have time please unwind at the golf course. I know you like the game. I find that hitting something that is unlikely to come back at you is a good therapy for stress.
    I will seek the opinion of my Malay friends as to why your daughter might have had a bad experience there and report back with any opinion they have. The last time I was there was 2008, but things might have changed.
    Mahalo ox!!

    She had a really really bad experience there.

    This is not like her as she has always found the positive in every place, dressed accordingly, etc.

    For her to say, "Mom, I am really scared here." are strong words from a gal who travels as extensively worldwide as she.

    She may have just had had a bad experience.

    A ginger, with hazel eyes, in a VERY modest suit (required).

    Dunno

    but it left a major impression on her!

    Stressed out....I am past that.

    Between my mother and my sisters and my BIL DX with Esophageal cancer, sis gets double whammy!

    I think I may be a little stressed!!!
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