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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I see in some ' News' releases today some discussions of the pilots private life. ' That he was experiencing instabilities at home and with a relationship.. That it remains my view that this professional pilot might well have died while attempting to get flight 370 down safe.. Until we know differently ( and we do not ) I will reject such wild speculations of the media.
    And @ Robettybob1.. they after scanning data from a automated engine management system placed the 'Peep' West of Perth Australia. That seems to put aside the Northern flight path. I am reluctant to accept speculative thinking..
    I'll believe it when I see what's in the black box. I like the idea that the reason for a lack of massive debris field indicates the plane is "whole " on the bottom of the ocean. At least if that is true, when and IF they find it there it will be all together practically in one piece and that will be impossible to fake.
    I'll believe that when I see it. Scattered debris means beggar all IMO.

    Mildly optimistic ... thanks.
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    They talk about photos of 100+ pieces of debris, but why don't they don't release the photos? Bodies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmonroe View Post
    They talk about photos of 100+ pieces of debris, but why don't they don't release the photos?
    ?? They did:

    New satellite images show '122 potential objects'
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    The biggest thing about that cluster of apparent debris is that it's confined to a "small" area of 400 sq km. A big improvement on more than 2 million. The issue will be working out how the currents have been pushing stuff around - so where did they start from and how long ago did they make it to the surface?
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    A plane that big hits the ocean....there HAS to be debris....just does not make sense that there is no debris.
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    I liked the quote from a NZ Air Force Captain " Like finding a needle in a hay stack, and we have not even found the hay stack."
    As to the impact of this plane. It may have with power off or on one engine just ditched and sunk.. Only when sinking might have some dismantling and debris taken place.. Unfortunately a very distasteful reality is that some of that what is being imaged is of what was inside the plane.. We need confirmation but with due respect. To locate the debris field on the sea floor or floating " The In Flight Recorder Recovery must be the goal. Finding it / them is a issue yet.
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    I just couldn't accept that until today, the rescuer didn't get the debris or at least the debris must had drift ashore, counting how many days that we have to wait for any positive news. and why the pilot fly the plane to the south indian ocean. i hope nobody believe the biased news brought by CNN and FOX about the pilot
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    A plane that big hits the ocean....there HAS to be debris....just does not make sense that there is no debris.
    The challenge is finding it. It's a big ocean filled with _other_ debris.
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    I'm wondering if the plane may have gone in nose down. But this would have torn the wings off and the fuselage wouldn't likely have stayed intact; debris would have been left at the surface. This is wholly unusual. Has debris yet been identified as from an aircraft ? Very tragic, very strange. Until this incident, I didn't know there are gaps in GPS. 31 or more satellites cannot serve to cover the entire globe ? Never dreamed it. Maybe the pilot tried for a surface landing; which would have been near impossible, and the whole thing just sank. Nothing about this makes sense.
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    A plane that big hits the ocean....there HAS to be debris....just does not make sense that there is no debris.
    The challenge is finding it. It's a big ocean filled with _other_ debris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umbradiago View Post
    Has debris yet been identified as from an aircraft ?
    As far as I know, no concrete identification has been made yet.
    Until this incident, I didn't know there are gaps in GPS. 31 or more satellites cannot serve to cover the entire globe ?
    They do cover the whole globe - but they don't do any good without a working GPS receiver on the plane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umbradiago View Post
    I'm wondering if the plane may have gone in nose down. But this would have torn the wings off and the fuselage wouldn't likely have stayed intact; debris would have been left at the surface. This is wholly unusual. Has debris yet been identified as from an aircraft ? Very tragic, very strange. Until this incident, I didn't know there are gaps in GPS. 31 or more satellites cannot serve to cover the entire globe ? Never dreamed it. Maybe the pilot tried for a surface landing; which would have been near impossible, and the whole thing just sank. Nothing about this makes sense.
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    A plane that big hits the ocean....there HAS to be debris....just does not make sense that there is no debris.
    The challenge is finding it. It's a big ocean filled with _other_ debris.
    Like you I find many things strange and interesting at the same time. I think they had better find something or people will begin to make their own story, as they already have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    A plane that big hits the ocean....there HAS to be debris....just does not make sense that there is no debris.
    The challenge is finding it. It's a big ocean filled with _other_ debris.
    It is not "other" debris...which should not be that difficult to ascertain the difference between plastic bottles (one of the largest debris) and bodies, suitcases and plane parts.....they aren't "Normal" debris IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    It is not "other" debris...which should not be that difficult to ascertain the difference between plastic bottles (one of the largest debris) and bodies, suitcases and plane parts.....they aren't "Normal" debris IMHO
    Wow, you need to take another walk on an isolated coast and look at the flotsam and jetsam that washes up.
    Barrels, cargo containers, docks, 40 foot boats, huge tangles of fishing gear... all of which I saw on the coast of Vancouver Island.

    Hawaii is a well noted location for having stuff washing up too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    Until this incident, I didn't know there are gaps in GPS. 31 or more satellites cannot serve to cover the entire globe ?
    They do cover the whole globe - but they don't do any good without a working GPS receiver on the plane.
    And of course, even if the GPS receiver on the plane was working, they still wouldn't do any good.

    The GPS system allows receivers on Earth to know their own location. The GPS satellites themselves only broadcast a signal - they do not know where any of the receivers are.

    There is a widespread misunderstanding about GPS satellites. The satellites cannot track where objects on Earth are.

    A GPS receiver simply receives signals from the satellites and uses them to triangulate its own position. This is why, on an aircraft, there is a transponder which broadcasts the planes position.
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    Correct, GPS is a receive-only system, allowing a suitable receiver to calculate where it is. Unless that GPS position information is somehow transmitted from the plane, nobody will know exactly where it is.

    A part of the transponder system called ADS-B will, if fitted, transmit such position information, but only to a secondary radar it is within range of, so we're talking a few hundred miles from each radar head.

    An aircraft transponder responds to a "query" transmission from a secondary radar or that of another transponder on another aircraft. To the secondary radar, the transponder sends details of the aircraft's height, speed, callsign, heading and other details to allow air traffic control to identify and better manage the transit of flights in their sector.

    When another aircraft interrogates a transponder, it sends details of its height, which it uses to work out if there is a collision threat using a system called TCAS; traffic collision avoidance system. The TCAS will issue climb or descend commands to the pilots in both conflicting aircraft to resolve and avoid the predicted collision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
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    It is not "other" debris...which should not be that difficult to ascertain the difference between plastic bottles (one of the largest debris) and bodies, suitcases and plane parts.....they aren't "Normal" debris IMHO
    Wow, you need to take another walk on an isolated coast and look at the flotsam and jetsam that washes up.
    Barrels, cargo containers, docks, 40 foot boats, huge tangles of fishing gear... all of which I saw on the coast of Vancouver Island.

    Hawaii is a well noted location for having stuff washing up too.
    They have had a dock wash up...part of a boat...but frankly (and explore beaches) I have seen little to no debris on the Big Island, which the only place I can speak of.

    Some of the stuff I do see is on a beach where people do not pick up their litter.....and I tend to pick it up when and if I see it. Old backpacker when I was young...you pack it in, you pack it out and dispose of properly!

    Where are people's MANNERS
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    ~ Very disappointing to hear a spokesperson for Malaysia Airlines actually saying that." They still hold hope of finding survivors.."
    That statement I find ridiculous and most hurtful to the families of the dead.. and they probably were dead before the aircraft hit the water on the ( was it the 8th of March.)? The area being searched is 26,000 km, that's about the size of Tasmania.. As of today the 30 th March we have not yet confirmed a single piece of that plane has been found.. and we are still just best guessing where that airplane could have reached.. We still do not have a firm confirmation of fact.. and that is a disappointment. I am sure that every effort is and will be employed to find whatever is able to be found. Those flight recorders, the wreckage of, the flotsam and debris is proving elusive.. Images of debris from orbiting satellites has not found us this wreckage. Will it. Has it all spread so far and wide and sunk,. All the questions without real answers.. where should we be looking ? Is it possible that this aircraft ditched without breaking up ? Could it just sink ? Frustrating are all the questions. I am losing some of that optimism.. ~ Could M H 370 be a unsolved mystery. Yes ~.
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    Oh and nothing in Northern Cali either....not even a plastic cup!
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    Marine Debris in Hawaii


    Litter such as plastic detergent bottles, crates, buoys, combs, and water bottles blanket Kanapou Bay, on the Island of Kaho'olawe in Hawaii. This region is a hot-spot for marine debris accumulation. Because of its remote location, removal is difficult, resulting in beaches that look more like a landfill.


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    Derelict Vessel in American Samoa


    Marine debris can range from small consumer debris all the way up to abandoned and derelict vessels. Vessels can become marine debris through natural disasters and abandonment, and can be the most costly type of marine debris to remove.


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    Of course after a disaster it is usually worse.
    Japanese Harley washes up on B.C. beach | CTV News

    ....and of course a story about ships losing shipping containers.
    Ship loses more than 500 containers in heavy seas - CNN.com

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    ..and how much of a hazard they are, nice pictures of floating shipping containers in this one.
    http://www.oceannavigator.com/March-April-2013/A-legendary-offshore-danger/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
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    To much unknown in this entire thing.

    Everyone has their own opinion.

    Some are kind of nutty, some have merit.

    Personally, I don't think we know anything at all....so speculation will continue.

    Human nature.
    Very important the whole world is focused on the missing plane and I think there is something that we are not seeing, wish I knew what.
    I doubt the airliner thing was/is planned but I'm sure multiple agencies are using the distraction as an opportunity to get get sneaky underhanded crap done. kinda like the thief that uses a house fire to go commit a crime. obviously everyone's attention is on the fire so it makes the robbery easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    Marine Debris in Hawaii

    Litter such as plastic detergent bottles, crates, buoys, combs, and water bottles blanket Kanapou Bay, on the Island of Kaho'olawe in Hawaii. This region is a hot-spot for marine debris accumulation. Because of its remote location, removal is difficult, resulting in beaches that look more like a landfill.
    i see pictures and documentaries like this more and more round the world. what are we doing to our oceans ?

    this missing jetliner is a sad affair.
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    Kahoʻolawe is sparsely (very) populated...it is off of Mau'i and Lana'i. It was used as target practice during WWII. EOD friends of mine spent about a year cleaning up ordnance (UXO) off the island. I have never been nor ever will go there, it is considered sacred grounds of the Hawai'ian gods.

    I have no idea what washes up there. I can only speak of where I live, and my experience as to major debris there.

    Kahoʻolawe is mostly used for cultural Hawai'ian purposes now, to my knowledge.

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    Usually tourist beaches are carefully cleaned no matter where you are in the world.
    My point was not about the beach litter, it was about how much large flotsam and jetsam is adrift in the world's oceans and that not all of it is just plastic bottles.
    Some of the debris is huge, and there is a lot of it. Estimates for lost shipping containers start at about 650 a year and run as high as 10,000 a year.

    Billvon's comment about other debris was right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    Usually tourist beaches are carefully cleaned no matter where you are in the world.
    My point was not about the beach litter, it was about how much large flotsam and jetsam is adrift in the world's oceans and that not all of it is just plastic bottles.
    Some of the debris is huge, and there is a lot of it. Estimates for lost shipping containers start at about 650 a year and run as high as 10,000 a year.

    Billvon's comment about other debris was right.
    I don't disagree there is a huge problem with ocean debris. Discussed it with a friend who sailed from LA to Hawa'i about the amount in the ocean. It's obscene in my humble opinion!

    However, I also am a beach explorer, as in I go to beaches NO ONE bothers going to or finding, that are usually relattively unknown, remote, not swimmable, etc, and not for tourists, for my own curiosity, because I enjoy seeing the variety of nature. In my experience, I have not seen debris on these beaches ever. Again I cannot speak for every beach, but just the many I have explored on the Big Island, and the ones I live near in Northern California.

    Do not know if it is the current, or whatever but no buildup or massive debris. We have had a pier show up, possibly from Japan and other things that make the news.
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    Just a reminder:
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    As the story falls away from the 'front page' I renew my interest as speculations are aired.. and continue. That this missing airliner has not been revealed is of little surprise as the size of the area search is enormous. Narrowing and defining a search pattern is only relevant if the flight went there. We do not know that it did. I want to know from what data has the southern heading been the proffered flight path. Having just watched a news presentation of the 'known' flight path returns from compiled radar imagery. That the flight may have continued to fuel exhaustion. The southern flight path is still thought of as the highest confidence.. As I look at the little zig-zag set of turns a realization that the 'pings' of military radar imaging is woefully inadequate. That a onboard electronic signal was detected by the engine notifications signals did and does not give position., but just distance from receiver. In this regard a receiving satellite some place near and high above the western edge of the Indian Ocean. That the flight path may have continues Northerly is not popular or easy to consume as it exposes some 'ugly' gaps and holes in the ability to track a aircraft without a transponder devise operating. Those involved states are and would be embarrassed by the fact that this aircraft might just as well be in Myanmar..or India. or ... China. Yes the Chines military are looking very closely at that region within the aircraft's range.. and that two 'Awacs' are sweeping the skies above the 'Yunnan' province.. Interesting but still not conclusive. Hmm..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Just a reminder:
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    Wherever those boxes are, they are pinging. Their batteries are designed to last a month. That month runs out Tuesday.
    If you weren't all atheists I would ask you to join with me in a prayer for success in the next few days!
    ~ That I would personally substitute your " prayer " with my own 'hope' and note that you Bob did say that the northern track was more likely.. I now agree..
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
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    Just a reminder:
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    Wherever those boxes are, they are pinging. Their batteries are designed to last a month. That month runs out Tuesday.
    If you weren't all atheists I would ask you to join with me in a prayer for success in the next few days!
    ~ That I would personally substitute your " prayer " with my own 'hope' and note that you Bob did say that the northern track was more likely.. I now agree..
    If it flew North no matter how much hoping and praying we do, it won't be found down South. It is a tricky situation and my faith levels were so low, so I thought I'd blame it on the atheists any way!
    Cheers Mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    As the story falls away from the 'front page' I renew my interest as speculations are aired.. and continue. That this missing airliner has not been revealed is of little surprise as the size of the area search is enormous. Narrowing and defining a search pattern is only relevant if the flight went there. We do not know that it did. I want to know from what data has the southern heading been the proffered flight path. Having just watched a news presentation of the 'known' flight path returns from compiled radar imagery. That the flight may have continued to fuel exhaustion. The southern flight path is still thought of as the highest confidence.. As I look at the little zig-zag set of turns a realization that the 'pings' of military radar imaging is woefully inadequate. That a onboard electronic signal was detected by the engine notifications signals did and does not give position., but just distance from receiver. In this regard a receiving satellite some place near and high above the western edge of the Indian Ocean. That the flight path may have continues Northerly is not popular or easy to consume as it exposes some 'ugly' gaps and holes in the ability to track a aircraft without a transponder devise operating. Those involved states are and would be embarrassed by the fact that this aircraft might just as well be in Myanmar..or India. or ... China. Yes the Chines military are looking very closely at that region within the aircraft's range.. and that two 'Awacs' are sweeping the skies above the 'Yunnan' province.. Interesting but still not conclusive. Hmm..
    Interesting for I have been looking out for a report that the Indonesians tracked it going South. Have they said anything or don't they have a working radar system?
    If the Indonesians said it flew South after flying over Sumatra I might change my suspicion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    Just a reminder:
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    Wherever those boxes are, they are pinging. Their batteries are designed to last a month. That month runs out Tuesday.
    If you weren't all atheists I would ask you to join with me in a prayer for success in the next few days!
    ~ That I would personally substitute your " prayer " with my own 'hope' and note that you Bob did say that the northern track was more likely.. I now agree..
    If it flew North no matter how much hoping and praying we do, it won't be found down South. It is a tricky situation and my faith levels were so low, so I thought I'd blame it on the atheists any way!
    Cheers Mark.
    Wow, you went there.
    From doing a personal ritual exercise to blaming someone else for your loss of faith.
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    [QUOTE=MrMojo1;548431]
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1;548421It is a tricky situation and my faith levels were so low, so I thought I'd blame it on the atheists any way!
    Cheers Mark.[/QUOTE

    Wow, you went there.
    From doing a personal ritual exercise to blaming someone else for your loss of faith.
    That is Robbitybob and comments like that are why this atheist likes him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    That the flight path may have continues Northerly is not popular or easy to consume as it exposes some 'ugly' gaps and holes in the ability to track a aircraft without a transponder devise operating. Those involved states are and would be embarrassed by the fact that this aircraft might just as well be in Myanmar..or India. or ... China.
    Why would that be "ugly?" Most of the world is not covered by radar.
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    I used that word with reason.. 'ugly', because of a mindset that 'they' are watching their airspace and borders with such diligence and care as to be aware of ANY infringement of sovranty. The military defence of Indonesia, Malaysia , Myanmar, or China. may not be as well covered as they would have us think. That a wide bodied heavy airliner could just fly across, through, and not be investigated or even noticed.. is a ugly embarrassment. As silly and naive as I am.. just a look across the 'Google Maps' program of the terrain of the far Western China or the mountainous regions of Myanmar, and even India.. That it may have flown for five hours or more.. We do not seem to know where to look. If any of you have a 'why' the southern corridor is the first option ? Lets have it please. Other than saving face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astromark View Post
    I used that word with reason.. 'ugly', because of a mindset that 'they' are watching their airspace and borders with such diligence and care as to be aware of ANY infringement of sovranty. The military defence of Indonesia, Malaysia , Myanmar, or China. may not be as well covered as they would have us think. That a wide bodied heavy airliner could just fly across, through, and not be investigated or even noticed.. is a ugly embarrassment.
    I guess I never had an expectation that Malaysia was "watching their airspace and borders with diligence and care." Even in the US we are sometimes surprised by private aircraft that fly over (say) the White House, never mind a national border.
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    If you weren't all atheists I would ask you to join with me in a prayer for success in the next few days!
    ~ That I would personally substitute your " prayer " with my own 'hope' and note that you Bob did say that the northern track was more likely.. I now agree..
    If it flew North no matter how much hoping and praying we do, it won't be found down South. It is a tricky situation and my faith levels were so low, so I thought I'd blame it on the atheists any way!
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    Wow, you went there.
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    No look, I'm not blaming anyone for my loss of faith that it is South, but my suspicion overrides my ability to pray that it be found speedily down South, when I'm tempted to believe the most likely route is North.
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    If any of you have a 'why' the southern corridor is the first option ? Lets have it please. Other than saving face.
    Because I doubt very much that the various governments and agencies involved took the word of that British satellite analysis at face value and said "Oh OK. If you say so."

    And then went ahead to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (and expended all of the expected battery life of the black box) just because they seemed to be clever people.

    It's much more likely that hundreds of experts from the airline industry, half a dozen countries' military as well as the communication and satellite observation and analysis organisations have been over and over and over the collected data and the analysis methods and concluded/ agreed that this is probably the most likely result.
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    If any of you have a 'why' the southern corridor is the first option ? Lets have it please. Other than saving face.
    Because I doubt very much that the various governments and agencies involved took the word of that British satellite analysis at face value and said "Oh OK. If you say so."

    And then went ahead to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (and expended all of the expected battery life of the black box) just because they seemed to be clever people.

    It's much more likely that hundreds of experts from the airline industry, half a dozen countries' military as well as the communication and satellite observation and analysis organisations have been over and over and over the collected data and the analysis methods and concluded/ agreed that this is probably the most likely result.
    I thought it might be a process of elimination. If it isn't down south it must be up north. If they don't check the south fully those that know where it is need not say anything. This is my suspicion and paranoia working overtime! lol
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    If any of you have a 'why' the southern corridor is the first option ? Lets have it please. Other than saving face.
    Because I doubt very much that the various governments and agencies involved took the word of that British satellite analysis at face value and said "Oh OK. If you say so."

    And then went ahead to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (and expended all of the expected battery life of the black box) just because they seemed to be clever people.

    It's much more likely that hundreds of experts from the airline industry, half a dozen countries' military as well as the communication and satellite observation and analysis organisations have been over and over and over the collected data and the analysis methods and concluded/ agreed that this is probably the most likely result.
    I thought it might be a process of elimination. If it isn't down south it must be up north. If they don't check the south fully those that know where it is need not say anything. This is my suspicion and paranoia working overtime! lol
    Can I ask you why this event is so important to you? What about this missing airlines that has people all over the world so curious?
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    What about this missing airlines that has people all over the world so curious?
    natural curiosity ? empathy for families involved ? want to know reason so we can prevent it from happening again ? if criminal, then need to punish those responsible ? closure ?
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    If any of you have a 'why' the southern corridor is the first option ? Lets have it please. Other than saving face.
    Because I doubt very much that the various governments and agencies involved took the word of that British satellite analysis at face value and said "Oh OK. If you say so."

    And then went ahead to spend hundreds of millions of dollars (and expended all of the expected battery life of the black box) just because they seemed to be clever people.

    It's much more likely that hundreds of experts from the airline industry, half a dozen countries' military as well as the communication and satellite observation and analysis organisations have been over and over and over the collected data and the analysis methods and concluded/ agreed that this is probably the most likely result.
    I thought it might be a process of elimination. If it isn't down south it must be up north. If they don't check the south fully those that know where it is need not say anything. This is my suspicion and paranoia working overtime! lol
    Can I ask you why this event is so important to you? What about this missing airlines that has people all over the world so curious?
    I've been following it from the moment the news broke.
    About 14 years ago when I was trying for the James Randi Paranormal Challenge (1 million dollar prize) I was in communication with these people who were testing my ability to make predictions of future events. During the course of this test I had this premonition that terrorists would steal an airliner and fill it with nuclear material and then crash it into an American warship in the Northern part of the Indian Ocean. At the time I told them not to wait till it happened but to warn the US President. Prevention was far more important to me than winning any prize. I don't know if they did warn anyone.

    So since this plane potentially flew to places like around Pakistan etc I get a little nervous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    During the course of this test I had this premonition that terrorists would steal an airliner and fill it with nuclear material and then crash it into an American warship in the Northern part of the Indian Ocean. At the time I told them not to wait till it happened but to warn the US President. Prevention was far more important to me than winning any prize. I don't know if they did warn anyone.
    even if told them, i do not see where a warship would change anything they do for protection. they are already protecting themselves from unidentified aircraft. what would a warship do differently ?
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    Well, I'm in Australia for starters, so we're getting updates on the search all day every day. And the Malaysian Prime Minister arrived yesterday so that was all over the place as well.

    I've always had a bit of familiarity with disaster investigation. Waaay back 40+ years ago, my then husband used to bring home a safety investigations monthly report from one of the US agencies. He worked in an industrial chem lab, so there were often reports relevant to his work, but there were also lots of reports about bridge failures and train accidents as well as industrial accidents which I had a direct interest in because I was a union rep with an interest in workplace safety. Nowadays I'll watch one of those crash investigation programs if there's nothing more appealing on - which happens more often than I'd like. (Fifteen channels available and the only half bearable program in a prime time slot is a rerun of an aircraft accident investigation. Pfffft.)

    And I also have a continuing interest in satellite observation matters. (I'm a bit of an Arctic sea ice addict, and the melt season is just starting.) I've spent far too many hours over the last few years pointlessly staring at satellite pictures of ice trying to work out what's going on for myself. Usually I give up and just take the experts word for it as to what's going on.

    As for other people? I think it taps into the very common fear of flying that many people have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    During the course of this test I had this premonition that terrorists would steal an airliner and fill it with nuclear material and then crash it into an American warship in the Northern part of the Indian Ocean. At the time I told them not to wait till it happened but to warn the US President. Prevention was far more important to me than winning any prize. I don't know if they did warn anyone.
    even if told them, i do not see where a warship would change anything they do for protection. they are already protecting themselves from unidentified aircraft. what would a warship do differently ?
    They have to find the plane and bring it home. Now that is a thought.
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    They have to find the plane and bring it home. Now that is a thought.
    that is what nations are trying to do now. even if only pieces of plane are found, they will be brought home for analyziing. home is Malaysia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    They have to find the plane and bring it home. Now that is a thought.
    that is what nations are trying to do now. even if only pieces of plane are found, they will be brought home for analyziing. home is Malaysia.
    That's right, if it is in pieces that is good, and if it has landed in some rogue state and flown home in one piece it will be even better.
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    ~ The fact that we have not found 'any' part or trace does not indicate it is not there. It only means we have not found it yet. So in spite of my blithering it could have followed the most accepted view.. South. But my question stands with no real proof offered. So I ask a related question; If flight 370 did go on to the North. Would a sudden impact with a mountain range silence the in flight recorders signal ? Is this why we have not got a signal to find ?
    Why are we so interested ? For to know that it was not just a aircraft fault. To be aware without doubt that it was not a dash bd fire, A wheel well issue, Something in the cargo bay and YES I want to know. That the Families of the lost have a right of closure.. That 'If' those flight recorders are sending a signal. It will stop soon. I am correct in that a awful lot of assumptions are made and yet nothing has yet been confirmed as shown to be of the aircraft.
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    Malaysia plane MH370: Pinger locator deployed in search BBC News - Malaysia plane MH370: Pinger locator deployed in search
    Search teams have begun using a towed pinger locator to hunt for the black box of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.
    This seems like the best chance, but how come it has taken so long?
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    The range of detection of the black box is very limited - only a few kilometres. Therefore there is no point in deploying detection equipment until you have a reasonable idea of where the plane came down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Nowadays I'll watch one of those crash investigation programs if there's nothing more appealing on - which happens more often than I'd like. (Fifteen channels available and the only half bearable program in a prime time slot is a rerun of an aircraft accident investigation. Pfffft.)
    I've got at least one hundred and fifty channels available and I often wind up watching Aircrash Investigation. (Or Frasier)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    About 14 years ago when I was trying for the James Randi Paranormal Challenge (1 million dollar prize) I was in communication with these people who were testing my ability to make predictions of future events. During the course of this test I had this premonition that terrorists would steal an airliner and fill it with nuclear material and then crash it into an American warship in the Northern part of the Indian Ocean. At the time I told them not to wait till it happened but to warn the US President. Prevention was far more important to me than winning any prize. I don't know if they did warn anyone.
    As you didn't win the $1 million, I assume they treated your daydream with all the contempt it deserved.

    No doubt, if any airliner (or other vehicle) crashes (1) into an American warship (2) after being stolen by terrorists (3) while carrying nuclear material (4) in the next 1,000 years, you will claim that his confirms your "premonition".

    (1) Or catches fire, fails to take off, or is slightly delayed
    (2) Or any other American craft, including another plane, or near an automobile. Or similar vehicle of any nationality.
    (3) or due to bad weather, random failure, pilot error, etc.
    (4) or any flammable material, including fuel, or any chemicals including water

    Note that 4 in Chinese signifies death, so these four footnotes are probably highly meaningful.
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    About 14 years ago when I was trying for the James Randi Paranormal Challenge (1 million dollar prize) I was in communication with these people who were testing my ability to make predictions of future events. During the course of this test I had this premonition that terrorists would steal an airliner and fill it with nuclear material and then crash it into an American warship in the Northern part of the Indian Ocean. At the time I told them not to wait till it happened but to warn the US President. Prevention was far more important to me than winning any prize. I don't know if they did warn anyone.
    As you didn't win the $1 million, I assume they treated your daydream with all the contempt it deserved.

    No doubt, if any airliner (or other vehicle) crashes (1) into an American warship (2) after being stolen by terrorists (3) while carrying nuclear material (4) in the next 1,000 years, you will claim that his confirms your "premonition".

    (1) Or catches fire, fails to take off, or is slightly delayed
    (2) Or any other American craft, including another plane, or near an automobile. Or similar vehicle of any nationality.
    (3) or due to bad weather, random failure, pilot error, etc.
    (4) or any flammable material, including fuel, or any chemicals including water

    Note that 4 in Chinese signifies death, so these four footnotes are probably highly meaningful.
    you have stated what i tried to state. but youris much more elegant way. it is just like the stupid 2012 mayan calendar folks predicting the end of the world. if they predict often enough they will eventually be right. it might take 10,000 years though. i am surprised there is not a new 'end of world' date since the last was a failed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    About 14 years ago when I was trying for the James Randi Paranormal Challenge (1 million dollar prize) I was in communication with these people who were testing my ability to make predictions of future events. During the course of this test I had this premonition that terrorists would steal an airliner and fill it with nuclear material and then crash it into an American warship in the Northern part of the Indian Ocean. At the time I told them not to wait till it happened but to warn the US President. Prevention was far more important to me than winning any prize. I don't know if they did warn anyone.
    As you didn't win the $1 million, I assume they treated your daydream with all the contempt it deserved.

    No doubt, if any airliner (or other vehicle) crashes (1) into an American warship (2) after being stolen by terrorists (3) while carrying nuclear material (4) in the next 1,000 years, you will claim that his confirms your "premonition".

    (1) Or catches fire, fails to take off, or is slightly delayed
    (2) Or any other American craft, including another plane, or near an automobile. Or similar vehicle of any nationality.
    (3) or due to bad weather, random failure, pilot error, etc.
    (4) or any flammable material, including fuel, or any chemicals including water

    Note that 4 in Chinese signifies death, so these four footnotes are probably highly meaningful.
    The test was rather difficult. As I drove home last night I reminisced on the situation. It is all a bit of a blur now but it was put on the internet by the organization so there became a chain of email exchanges.
    We never agreed to the terms of the test in the end and it basically ended when they said I hadn't foreseen the 9/11 incident. They had comments like yours too. There was no end to the specificity they required. It wasn't just a matter of seeing an event, they'd then want the time and the location. I could see the point of their complaint for even if I had seen the buildings come down, unless I could name the location, city, country etc it wasn't much help to anyone.
    If I could have predicted 9/11 to the accuracy they wanted I would have been arrested for masterminding it.

    But I felt the dream of the plane crashing into a warship had a chance of being prevented without being specific. There was another plane stolen from an African airport (was it a 737?) and I'm not sure if anyone has found that one either.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bo..._disappearance Had that one been used it would have been in the time limit they imposed. They wanted events to happen within a 3 year time limit.
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    But I felt the dream of the plane crashing into a warship had a chance of being prevented without being specific.
    i asked this before.

    what would a warship do differently after this warning ? they already defend themselves against unidentified planes. what more would they do ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    But I felt the dream of the plane crashing into a warship had a chance of being prevented without being specific.
    i asked this before.

    what would a warship do differently after this warning ? they already defend themselves against unidentified planes. what more would they do ?
    I gave you an answer. They need to know where any "missing plane" is. Since then the US has been also working to limit the amount of Uranium (concentrated Uranium) available to terrorists. So they are doing things long before a plane heads toward the battleship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    They need to know where any "missing plane" is.
    read that sentence to yourself. it makes no sense. it is not an answer. (if you know where a plane is it is not missing.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    They need to know where any "missing plane" is.
    read that sentence to yourself. it makes no sense. it is not an answer. (if you know where a plane is it is not missing.)
    Well think about it. Malaysia 730 is also missing and they need to know where it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    The test was rather difficult.
    Welcome to the real world. Psychic abilities are easy ... until you have to prove they exist.

    We never agreed to the terms of the test in the end
    That seems to be nearly always the case. This is because people who think they have psychic ability have obviously fooled themselves for years (assuming they are not being deliberately dishonest). When faced with a rigorous test, they discover things no longer work as they expect and make excuses.

    There was no end to the specificity they required. It wasn't just a matter of seeing an event, they'd then want the time and the location.
    Of course. There is no point in half-baked test.

    I could see the point of their complaint for even if I had seen the buildings come down, unless I could name the location, city, country etc it wasn't much help to anyone.
    It is not really a question of "help", it is more matter of validating the claim. If someone thinks that they dream about future events, then they may convince themselves of this because they dream that "a close friend broke their leg when riding a horse" and then finding out a year later that a distant relative had bruised an arm while riding a bike. Obviously if you allow that much flexibility, then any dream can come true.

    So it is essential to be precise about the event that is predicted and exactly how much variation or interpretation is allowed. Scientific interpretation is all about this sort of precision.

    If I could have predicted 9/11 to the accuracy they wanted I would have been arrested for masterminding it.
    You may well have been investigated. But it would have been obvious you weren;t behind it. But you really don't need to worry about the risk of this. Because you are not psychic.

    But I felt the dream of the plane crashing into a warship had a chance of being prevented without being specific.
    How is that going to be prevented? Without specifics. One day, an unknown ship, in an unknown location on an unknown date, is going to be attacked by unknown people crashing an unknown plane into it? How many warships are there in the world? Are they all supposed to be on constant alert for hijacked planes? Or maybe there are on alert for potential attacks.

    I honestly don't see how your vague claim could be of any use to anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    They need to know where any "missing plane" is.
    I think they are well aware that a stolen plane could be used as a weapon. I don;t think they need someone's dream to tell them that.

    Since then the US has been also working to limit the amount of Uranium (concentrated Uranium) available to terrorists.
    I really hope you don't think that is because of your dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post

    How is that going to be prevented? Without specifics. One day, an unknown ship, in an unknown location on an unknown date, is going to be attacked by unknown people crashing an unknown plane into it? How many warships are there in the world? Are they all supposed to be on constant alert for hijacked planes? Or maybe there are on alert for potential attacks.

    I honestly don't see how your vague claim could be of any use to anybody.
    How many missing airliners are there?
    How many American aircraft carriers are there in the Indian Ocean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    How many missing airliners are there?
    How many American aircraft carriers are there in the Indian Ocean?
    How is that relevant? And if you think it is, then perhaps you can provide the numbers and perform the appropriate analysis to demonstrate how it helps your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    They need to know where any "missing plane" is.
    I think they are well aware that a stolen plane could be used as a weapon. I don;t think they need someone's dream to tell them that.

    Since then the US has been also working to limit the amount of Uranium (concentrated Uranium) available to terrorists.
    I really hope you don't think that is because of your dream.
    You don't really expect me to answer that either do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    You don't really expect me to answer that either do you?
    It wasn't really a question, so no. Just pointing out that the military are quite capable of working out the more obvious risks without random people telling them their dreams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    You don't really expect me to answer that either do you?
    your scneario. large slow-flying commercial aircraft is hijacked, filled with nuclear material (waste ?) and crashed into a usa warship. i am pretty sure that a usa warship can defend itself against multiple super-sonic warplanes. i guess there is always a chance but the probability is low. even if terrorists repaint aircraft to look like a nother nation, no way.

    the best chance is for hijacked jet to go directly to warship and crash with passengers on board because warship would not want to fire on passenger-filled jet.

    you have very low opinion of world navies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    How many missing airliners are there?
    How many American aircraft carriers are there in the Indian Ocean?
    How is that relevant? And if you think it is, then perhaps you can provide the numbers and perform the appropriate analysis to demonstrate how it helps your case.
    I was trying to show you how specific it gets; could even be one on one. One missing plane (well now two) and one aircraft carrier in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I was trying to show you how specific it gets; could even be one on one. One missing plane (well now two) and one aircraft carrier in the area.
    How is that specific? Which aircraft carrier? (I see you are now adding extra detail; which is one of the ways people fool themselves about their "abilities"). Which of the several missing planes? Piloted by whom? Where? When?

    There are about 430 US warships currently. Over the last 14 years, none of them have been attacked by a stolen plane. How long are you willing to wait to prove that you had a premonition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    You don't really expect me to answer that either do you?
    your scneario. large slow-flying commercial aircraft is hijacked, filled with nuclear material (waste ?) and crashed into a usa warship. i am pretty sure that a usa warship can defend itself against multiple super-sonic warplanes. i guess there is always a chance but the probability is low. even if terrorists repaint aircraft to look like a nother nation, no way.

    the best chance is for hijacked jet to go directly to warship and crash with passengers on board because warship would not want to fire on passenger-filled jet.
    That's exactly how it could happen. Dress up the plane to look like a another friendly country and fly it over and then do a loop up and over. Then straight down.
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    That's exactly how it could happen. Dress up the plane to look like a another friendly country and fly it over and then do a loop up and over. Then straight down.
    What does the fact you had a dream add to this?
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    I was trying to show you how specific it gets; could even be one on one. One missing plane (well now two) and one aircraft carrier in the area.
    How is that specific? Which aircraft carrier? (I see you are now adding extra detail; which is one of the ways people fool themselves about their "abilities"). Which of the several missing planes? Piloted by whom? Where? When?

    There are about 430 US warships currently. Over the last 14 years, none of them have been attacked by a stolen plane. How long are you willing to wait to prove that you had a premonition?
    I took this one out of "the list" of premonitions, as I said before, for I didn't want to see it happen. It is no longer a premonition but something to prevent.
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    It is no longer a premonition but something to prevent.
    Again, what does your dream add to this? Do you really think that the military don't plan for these sort of possibilities?
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    That's exactly how it could happen. Dress up the plane to look like a another friendly country and fly it over and then do a loop up and over. Then straight down.
    What does the fact you had a dream add to this?
    Look I wouldn't have subjected myself to the worldwide ridicule if I hadn't had history of premonitions. I used the word dream because someone else used the word "daydream", to me they are different type of events.
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    Look I wouldn't have subjected myself to the worldwide ridicule if I hadn't had history of premonitions. .
    please. no more. thank you. one is enough for today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    Look I wouldn't have subjected myself to the worldwide ridicule if I hadn't had history of premonitions.
    No you don't. (You might believe you have, but that is not the same thing.)

    I used the word dream because someone else used the word "daydream", to me they are different type of events.
    Yes, but what is the value of your dream/premonition/idea (or whatever you want to call it). Are y0u suggesting that the military wouldn't have thought of these things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    It is no longer a premonition but something to prevent.
    Again, what does your dream add to this? Do you really think that the military don't plan for these sort of possibilities?
    I hope so. I've told you the story as it happened to me, and I was faced with the decision of whether to try and prevent this or just to wait and see whether it happened. It is all history now, and I am just glad it hasn't happened, but the same events seemed to be happening again. Putin going to China and seemingly getting approval for some sort of action, and this following soon after.
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    maybe some exnavy folks here can tell us how possible this attack can be.
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    please. no more. thank you. one is enough for today.
    Thanks Chuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
    maybe some exnavy folks here can tell us how possible this attack can be.
    Bilvon seemed to be knowledgeable on these matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    Again, what does your dream add to this? Do you really think that the military don't plan for these sort of possibilities?
    I hope so.
    You hope so? Of course they do! Sheesh.

    I've told you the story as it happened to me
    Nothing happened to you. Other than having a meaningless dream.

    I was faced with the decision of whether to try and prevent this or just to wait and see whether it happened. It is all history now, and I am just glad it hasn't happened, but the same events seemed to be happening again. Putin going to China and seemingly getting approval for some sort of action, and this following soon after.
    This is totally incoherent. Try and prevent what? Some vague dream about unknown ship/location/date/etc? What same events? What does Putin have to do with it? Have you been drinking/smoking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I've been following it from the moment the news broke.
    About 14 years ago when I was trying for the James Randi Paranormal Challenge blah blah blahablahblah blah blah
    I had a premonition that some nutcase would bring complete woo into the thread.
    And here it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I've been following it from the moment the news broke.
    About 14 years ago when I was trying for the James Randi Paranormal Challenge blah blah blahablahblah blah blah
    I had a premonition that some nutcase would bring complete woo into the thread.
    And here it is!

    (Mr. Randi, I'll email you my address, send the cheque as soon as possible please).
    It was much harder than that Duck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Again, what does your dream add to this? Do you really think that the military don't plan for these sort of possibilities?
    I hope so.
    You hope so? Of course they do! Sheesh.

    I've told you the story as it happened to me
    Nothing happened to you. Other than having a meaningless dream.

    I was faced with the decision of whether to try and prevent this or just to wait and see whether it happened. It is all history now, and I am just glad it hasn't happened, but the same events seemed to be happening again. Putin going to China and seemingly getting approval for some sort of action, and this following soon after.
    This is totally incoherent. Try and prevent what? Some vague dream about unknown ship/location/date/etc? What same events? What does Putin have to do with it? Have you been drinking/smoking?
    Xi, Putin discuss China-Russia ties, Ukraine crisis on phone - Xinhua | English.news.cn "Xi, Putin discuss China-Russia ties, Ukraine crisis on phone" That was on the 4th and the flight went missing on the 8th.
    Have the 2 Russian and Ukrainian passengers been cleared as agents and by whom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    "Xi, Putin discuss China-Russia ties, Ukraine crisis on phone" That was on the 4th and the flight went missing on the 8th.
    Good grief. You are going back on ignore. Life is too short to waste on complete nutters.

    Have the 2 Russian and Ukrainian passengers been cleared as agents and by whom?
    Yes, they have. Security checks have been run on all the passengers and crew.
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    I knew Bob was dumb but judging by the quotes in this thread he is also frigging insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I knew Bob was dumb but judging by the quotes in this thread he is also frigging insane.
    Unfair yet possibly true.. How unkind. ~ I think Bob is just floating ideas.. It's completely harmless conjecture. I would encourage such free expression of thought. It never has been compulsory to see it as truth. I hope Bob is not offended that I find his contributions entertaining. I have Never put anyone on my ignore list.. I would hate to miss something funny... I think some of us need to lighten up... ~ and the latest news update; "We are NOT yet sure we are even looking in the right hay stack.." Perth News.
    I am still of the view.. We do not know what happened to flight MH 370.
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    I gave you an answer. They need to know where any "missing plane" is.
    By definition they don't know where any missing plane is.
    Since then the US has been also working to limit the amount of Uranium (concentrated Uranium) available to terrorists.
    They have been doing that since there has been enriched (not concentrated) uranium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    That was on the 4th and the flight went missing on the 8th. Have the 2 Russian and Ukrainian passengers been cleared as agents and by whom?
    There are two far more important news stories that occurred on the 7th - the day BEFORE it went missing. See below:

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    Massachusetts Legislature passes 'upskirting' ban CNN
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    Massachusetts lawmakers Thursday passed a bill banning "upskirting" in response to a ruling by the state's highest court that said a law aimed at criminalizing voyeurism did not apply to the snapping of secret photos up a woman's skirt. The bill now goes to Gov. Deval Patrick, who has publicly committed to signing it, his office said Thursday.

    The bill would make photographing or recording video under a person's clothing illegal, according to a statement from the office of Senate President Therese Murray.

    The act would be made a misdemeanor.
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    Abortion Law Pushes Texas Clinics to Close Doors
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    Jennifer Whitney for The New York Times

    McALLEN, Tex. — Shortly before a candlelight vigil on the sidewalk outside, employees of the last abortion clinic in the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas shut the doors early Thursday evening, making legal abortion unavailable in the poorest part of the state in the wake of tough new restrictions passed last year by the Texas Legislature.
    The closings on Thursday of two clinics operated by Whole Woman’s Health — the one here in McAllen and another in the East Texas city of Beaumont — are part of a wave of clinic closings brought on by the new law.
    =======================

    There is only one likely explanation. A woman who had evidence that a Massachusetts supporter of the Texas abortion law had taken an "upskirting" picture of her. With that evidence she could blow the doors off the Texas anti-abortion cabal. (Over half the passengers were women. Coincidence? I think not.) She had to be silenced, and the Texas GOP has plenty of money to pay off the Malaysian authorities - and she must have been on that flight.

    You want proof? Easy. Notice how no one is talking about this? Why do you think that is? Why the cover-up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
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    I gave you an answer. They need to know where any "missing plane" is.
    By definition they don't know where any missing plane is.
    Since then the US has been also working to limit the amount of Uranium (concentrated Uranium) available to terrorists.
    They have been doing that since there has been enriched (not concentrated) uranium.
    It is an ongoing process, I read something about Japan handing some over a week ago.

    Japan plans to turn over plutonium, uranium to United States Japan plans to turn over plutonium, uranium to United States | Fox News
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I knew Bob was dumb but judging by the quotes in this thread he is also frigging insane.
    what now!
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    " Billvon" As you extrapolate a connection with the people on board flight 370.. with some nut bar group from a abortion clinic. No one else does. It's not in the news because it's not real, or of sufficient gravity to be considered. Malaysian Airlines and the Govt have co operated fully and in analyzing the passenger manifest and crew on flight.. No link to any group or risk has been drawn.. None. The sad truth as of the 5 th of April and at 5.50 pm.. We still do not know any more of the fate of flight MH 370. Not why or how or where.. Now I suspect you are not being serious in this regard.. just speculating for fun.. please do not, because people of different cultures and languages can easily misunderstand your point..
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    Quote Originally Posted by billvon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    That was on the 4th and the flight went missing on the 8th. Have the 2 Russian and Ukrainian passengers been cleared as agents and by whom?
    There are two far more important news stories that occurred on the 7th - the day BEFORE it went missing. See below:

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    Massachusetts Legislature passes 'upskirting' ban CNN
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    Massachusetts lawmakers Thursday passed a bill banning "upskirting" in response to a ruling by the state's highest court that said a law aimed at criminalizing voyeurism did not apply to the snapping of secret photos up a woman's skirt. The bill now goes to Gov. Deval Patrick, who has publicly committed to signing it, his office said Thursday.

    The bill would make photographing or recording video under a person's clothing illegal, according to a statement from the office of Senate President Therese Murray.

    The act would be made a misdemeanor.
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    Abortion Law Pushes Texas Clinics to Close Doors
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    Jennifer Whitney for The New York Times

    McALLEN, Tex. — Shortly before a candlelight vigil on the sidewalk outside, employees of the last abortion clinic in the Rio Grande Valley in South Texas shut the doors early Thursday evening, making legal abortion unavailable in the poorest part of the state in the wake of tough new restrictions passed last year by the Texas Legislature.
    The closings on Thursday of two clinics operated by Whole Woman’s Health — the one here in McAllen and another in the East Texas city of Beaumont — are part of a wave of clinic closings brought on by the new law.
    =======================

    There is only one likely explanation. A woman who had evidence that a Massachusetts supporter of the Texas abortion law had taken an "upskirting" picture of her. With that evidence she could blow the doors off the Texas anti-abortion cabal. (Over half the passengers were women. Coincidence? I think not.) She had to be silenced, and the Texas GOP has plenty of money to pay off the Malaysian authorities - and she must have been on that flight.

    You want proof? Easy. Notice how no one is talking about this? Why do you think that is? Why the cover-up?
    Interesting thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    "Xi, Putin discuss China-Russia ties, Ukraine crisis on phone" That was on the 4th and the flight went missing on the 8th.
    Good grief. You are going back on ignore. Life is too short to waste on complete nutters.

    Have the 2 Russian and Ukrainian passengers been cleared as agents and by whom?
    Yes, they have. Security checks have been run on all the passengers and crew.
    I have failed to find any clear reference to Russia or Ukraine stating their citizens have been cleared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I have failed to find any clear reference to Russia or Ukraine stating their citizens have been cleared.
    MH370 passengers get clean bill on terror suspicion | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    I have failed to find any clear reference to Russia or Ukraine stating their citizens have been cleared.
    MH370 passengers get clean bill on terror suspicion | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online
    OK it has been said on the basis of other agencies knowledge.
    Hishammuddin also said that Ukrainian police had cleared two of its nationals who were on board the missing flight. - See more at: MH370 passengers get clean bill on terror suspicion | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online
    OK originally they said there was 1 Russian and 1 Ukrainian. OK so now they are both from Ukraine.
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    Interesting. Found (picked up signal with the right frequency) in an area outside of the search area too.

    China's Liberation Daily reported that three people on board had heard the signals, which were not recorded as they came suddenly.
    I hope they have got the exact GPS coordinates written down somewhere!

    Questions raised!

    http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...#axzz2y2DEjUIj
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    You don't really expect me to answer that either do you?
    your scneario. large slow-flying commercial aircraft is hijacked, filled with nuclear material (waste ?) and crashed into a usa warship. i am pretty sure that a usa warship can defend itself against multiple super-sonic warplanes. i guess there is always a chance but the probability is low. even if terrorists repaint aircraft to look like a nother nation, no way.

    the best chance is for hijacked jet to go directly to warship and crash with passengers on board because warship would not want to fire on passenger-filled jet.
    That's exactly how it could happen. Dress up the plane to look like a another friendly country and fly it over and then do a loop up and over. Then straight down.
    that is ridiculous scenaro. an airliner without a valid transponder to match painted-over markings, probably way outside of proper flight path. this would put warship on high-alert. warplanes would have been scrambled already. your dream has no value for warship security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    You don't really expect me to answer that either do you?
    your scneario. large slow-flying commercial aircraft is hijacked, filled with nuclear material (waste ?) and crashed into a usa warship. i am pretty sure that a usa warship can defend itself against multiple super-sonic warplanes. i guess there is always a chance but the probability is low. even if terrorists repaint aircraft to look like a nother nation, no way.

    the best chance is for hijacked jet to go directly to warship and crash with passengers on board because warship would not want to fire on passenger-filled jet.
    That's exactly how it could happen. Dress up the plane to look like a another friendly country and fly it over and then do a loop up and over. Then straight down.
    that is ridiculous scenaro. an airliner without a valid transponder to match painted-over markings, probably way outside of proper flight path. this would put warship on high-alert. warplanes would have been scrambled already. your dream has no value for warship security.
    Who would think they could fly a passenger plane into the Pentagon.
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