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    The link to this story was originally posted by pyoko in the chatbox; Italian company to sell portable cold fusion plant deliverable next year
    There has been no peer review yet, but apparently this company has some customers, one of them reported to be DARPA.

    Here is a link to a more detailed analysis and report; New Energy Times - Issue #37: Report #3 -- Scientific Analysis of Rossi, Focardi and Levi Claims

    I have no idea concerning the legitimacy of any linked to sources. Going back to read more. If this story is only half true, that would still be exciting.


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    Rossi is well established by now as a charlatan, in my opinion. He's been making empty promises for many, many years and never lets anyone review his work.
    He seems to get funding, though.


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    But if he takes the money and does not deliver, surely that is illegal. I wonder if he has some fine print that nobody reads. Like not giving any guarantees etc. Either he is an evil genius who doesn't let peer review happen but is legit, or as Neverfry pointed out, a charlatan.
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    Hmm... Nickel is an interesting element, and does have some radioactive isotopes. If Rossi is not a charlatan then he is a flailing idealist.
    Yea, I'm inclined toward the supposition of bollocks.
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    I didn't like the money up front part. Smells fishy to me. You get the money upon delivery of the product, unless, of course it is research money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I didn't like the money up front part. Smells fishy to me. You get the money upon delivery of the product, unless, of course it is research money.
    Yeah research money is different, but he seems to have already researched it and finished building. So what is the money for? Sounds dodgy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
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    I didn't like the money up front part. Smells fishy to me. You get the money upon delivery of the product, unless, of course it is research money.
    Yeah research money is different, but he seems to have already researched it and finished building. So what is the money for? Sounds dodgy.
    That is my take on it too, pyoko...been doing business in theatre and in real world too long. Never asked to be paid in advance for what you haven't delivered. We don't get paid in theatre till after final performance in smaller theatre's that are not Equity. Since I don't want to move....I chose that road.
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    I am not excited by this at all, which must mean I believe it is bull sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    I am not excited by this at all, which must mean I believe it is bull sheet.
    DO you see it as to preconceived and pat? If you understand what I am saying.....contrived? Maybe that is a better word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    I am not excited by this at all, which must mean I believe it is bull sheet.
    DO you see it as to preconceived and pat? If you understand what I am saying.....contrived? Maybe that is a better word.
    The whole "money first" thing is just too suspicious, along with the lack of any credible information about his device. If this really was a cold fusion device, it would have taken off like wild fire. This is also not the first time I have seen the same MO, though I can't remember exactly what the last one was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
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    I am not excited by this at all, which must mean I believe it is bull sheet.
    DO you see it as to preconceived and pat? If you understand what I am saying.....contrived? Maybe that is a better word.
    The whole "money first" thing is just too suspicious, along with the lack of any credible information about his device. If this really was a cold fusion device, it would have taken off like wild fire. This is also not the first time I have seen the same MO, though I can't remember exactly what the last one was.
    That is my take on it too. I find it "fishy" when asking for money upfront w/o any proof of credibility of the product. We are on the same page. I don't know exactly what the device entails.....I speak only from a business point of view.
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    Could be. But I doubt it. Fusion only needed containment to work. This guy has had 30 years since then. He might have needed the money and worked real hard.
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    "as Neverfry pointed out"

    THIS kind of error I LIKE! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Pixel View Post
    Could be. But I doubt it. Fusion only needed containment to work. This guy has had 30 years since then. He might have needed the money and worked real hard.
    Practical difficulties so far virtually insurmountable. I still like my proposition of digging a big hole in the ocean which fills with water as the tide returns, then is drained from well below to produce electric power. Not even a single taker! And I had all the details just about worked out, too! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    "as Neverfry pointed out"

    THIS kind of error I LIKE! jocular
    I didn't even notice that...
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