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    Some one that has the insight to turn North Korea into an economic ally.


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    Course that may be too hard for the largest Imperialist Nation in World History. May have to temporarily cut some Military Industrial Profits, re-arrange the focus from weapons to useful products. Might have to THINK out of the box. Where is this President's Henry Kissinger when you need him?


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    Well Nixon did get China to start to open itself up to the outside world so he did at least do that in his terms at bat.

    I just do not think that North Korea will want to "open" itself up to trade with the rest of the world with a person like that who is in charge of that country.
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    This looks like a job for... Tricky Dick!
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    The thread title made me shiver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Well Nixon did get China to start to open itself up to the outside world so he did at least do that in his terms at bat.
    Red China, they were called, Nixon was a slugger of a thinker, and he hit a home run.
    The thread title made me shiver.
    That is what today's innocent women and children of Pakistan are saying about Obama's drones. Obama is an empty mind puppet of the Military Industrial Complex, no leadership ability. Dennis Rodman has used more thought and initiative, and that is embarrassing.
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    I hate to admit it - but as much as I disapprove of Watergate as well as some of his Vietnam decisions, I sorta like Nixon....sorta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markashley View Post
    I hate to admit it - but as much as I disapprove of Watergate as well as some of his Vietnam decisions, I sorta like Nixon....sorta.
    There is a thread on this. How Innacurate is History? Nixon is one of the ones that our History writers have screwed. Watergate didn't make a hill of beans compared to the Kennedy's assignation of world leaders. You never hear of those ...unless Castro reminds the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sampson View Post
    That is what today's innocent women and children of Pakistan are saying about Obama's drones. Obama is an empty mind puppet of the Military Industrial Complex, no leadership ability. Dennis Rodman has used more thought and initiative, and that is embarrassing.
    Mindless puppet, eh? Now, I did not vote for Obama and I do not agree with some of his politics... but this statement from you joined with this statement from you:

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    There is a thread on this. How Innacurate is History?
    You appear to be as prone to biased editorialized opinions as the writers who spoke on Nixon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    That is what today's innocent women and children of Pakistan are saying about Obama's drones. Obama is an empty mind puppet of the Military Industrial Complex, no leadership ability. Dennis Rodman has used more thought and initiative, and that is embarrassing.
    Mindless puppet, eh? Now, I did not vote for Obama and I do not agree with some of his politics... but this statement from you joined with this statement from you:

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    There is a thread on this. How Innacurate is History?
    You appear to be as prone to biased editorialized opinions as the writers who spoke on Nixon...
    Quite possibly. Consider the source.
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    Ever wonder why Republican Presidents are always, for the most part, characterized as doing the wrong things or being on the wrong page about things while the Democratic ones seem to be shown as nice , caring and responsible people who don't make mistakes? Just an observation that I see. As an example I never see anything about Dwight Eisenhower mentioned in the news but Kennedy is always being brought up and how great he was then Nixon and how bad he was.
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    I never noticed that. Carter is characterized as a spineless wimp, while Reagan is practically deified. Clinton was an adulterer who lied under oath. Nixon wet in his own bed of history.
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    Let's just go to Nixon's grave site and dig him up then. All we need after that is a damn good ventriloquist and a few strings to attach to his body.
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    Let's stay on course with my OP. Is John Kerry looking for a way out of a catastrophe as Putin warns or just adding to the rhetoric? Is any one working behind the scenes to try and talk? Nixon did, and he was successful. Nixon is the example that Obama should be following. Yes, I realize it will be hard to spit out the propaganda you boys have been fed about Richard Nixon for over 40 yrs. , but I have confidence that you will be able to cough it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sampson View Post
    Dennis Rodman could well belong to a category of, usually, decent individuals, from the Western world, who tend to share the same naive attitudes toward far left totalitarian regimes.
    Ages ago Lenin called such individuals "useful idiots".
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    I'm pretty sure Rodman also has some issue for which most of us would be medicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halliday View Post
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    Dennis Rodman could well belong to a category of, usually, decent individuals, from the Western world, who tend to share the same naive attitudes toward far left totalitarian regimes.
    Ages ago Lenin called such individuals "useful idiots".
    Naive attitudes? .....LOL We could call them the NAUIs. Yet, I see no one of the "the know" decent individuals moving off the can anytime soon, they are just sitting there counting profits, waiting for a bomb to drop so they can respond in 'shock and awe'. It's what we do. I don't think it will take much effort for a Naui to do better. Dennis is an interesting character and he has an 'in', let's watch him work his magic and not attack him(or medicate him, FM) before he even gets there.
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    I'd choose Bill Clinton over Nixon. Rather have blow jobs than no jobs. :P
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    This is a first.

    I agree that historians have portrayed Nixon in a wrong way, making him look alike a dictator that was greedy. With watergate, many people saw this is a bad thing(I bet it was only Democrats protesting him most of the time).

    Nixon had a good reputation on leading a good economy and foreign affairs system. I mean, Nixon didn't have that much involvement in the scandal, besides maybe trying to protect the people who committed the crimes at the hotel.

    I feel people also wrongly glorify the Democratic Presidents. Obama had more involvement in his scandal than Nixon in his own. Look at what happened at Bengahzi. This should be viewed as a bigger scandal than Watergate because people actually died.

    I guess the liberally controlled media can do such a good job at demonizing people.
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    I have always rather felt Nixon has been demonized rather more than he deserved.

    No question, the Watergate burglaries were a serious breach of the law, and Nixon was responsible for them whether he knew the details beforehand or not. Worse, Watergate was STUPID, Nixon won the 1972 election by a landslide without the benefit of the political intelligence the burglaries were intended to produce, and had they not occurred he almost certainly would have served a full second term without any question of impeachment.

    But somehow Nixon has been tarred by history as a completely awful man whose every action reeks of evil. He is blamed for the insane violence of Vietnam, a war that he did not start and was in fact instrumental in ending. His famous trade agreement with China is often dismissed as self-serving propaganda. Consistently reviled as a warmonger, few remember that he talked Brezhnev into signing SALT I, the first nuclear arms limitation treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union.

    The man was arguably paranoid and had a terrible television presence. But he accomplished more than most presidents.
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