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Thread: At last … a place where atheists can go and worship

  1. #1 At last … a place where atheists can go and worship 
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    Enough of the continual mudslinging between adherents of science and followers of religion. Introducing … the atheist church!




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    lol wow... sad thing is. it is human nature to lead or be lead. So it will likely become some sort of religious like cult if they don't make a constant conscious effort to prevent that from happening. And a constant conscious effort to avoid declaring rules for adherence that create some sort of pseudomorality.


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    Isn't that a bit pointless, like vegetarian bacon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Isn't that a bit pointless, like vegetarian bacon.
    exactly, honestly, any gathering of people that does not revolve around faith in a god can be called an atheistic gathering.

    All they have created is a situation where the theists can say, "See! See! We told you it was a religion!" A college science class could be called an atheist gathering even. But the minute you specify the meeting to specifically rally around a particular position, it becomes religionistic. A religion doesn't have to involve the belief in a god to be dogmatic and irrational. And a religious position doesn't have to be based on irrational thought processes either. But look at sports fans who act like if you don't watch all the games you aren't really a fan or some stupid crap like that. This is just a means to create a tribe. Our nature is pack/tribal. We are a social species and we look for ways to belong to a group. If we don't belong to any that are readily available we seek out others we have something in common with to create a pack or tribe based on that common attribute. There is safety and strength in numbers. Its the very reason we create clubs of every kind. The very reason there are cliques in schools. The very reason that kids racially segregate themselves at school and adults segregate in their neighborhoods even after all the years and lives were spent to fight government enforced segregation.

    Religious groups are the result of this nature. Just like any other group. And these defining, distinguishing features by which we sort ourselves into the various groups are what our religious mentalities revolve around. And yes, everyone of us, atheist or otherwise, is religious in some fashion regarding some aspect or interest in our lives. It's just the way we are.
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    Typical. Atheists like myself spend far too much time explaining how atheism is not a belief system, or a religion, and then these clowns come along and form an atheist church!?

    I truly despair.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually a smear tactic by undercover theists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedFreek View Post
    Typical. Atheists like myself spend far too much time explaining how atheism is not a belief system, or a religion, and then these clowns come along and form an atheist church!?

    I truly despair.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually a smear tactic by undercover theists.
    Now now, we don't want to become conspiracy theorists... though the thought did cross my mind. There is a chance that these particular atheists are of the stupid persuasion. We have one or two or several thousand in every group.
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    I don't think so. It was started by comedians.
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    Technically it still falls under a lack of belief in a deity.
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    Didn't see any worshiping going on.


    I've often thought that humanism in its many forms to include atheist shouldn't be afraid to use some of the effective tools proven by religion to influence people--examples might be regular meetings during meteor showers, celebrations of prominent scientist, mathematicians and freethinkers to review and remember their contributions, or even ethical discussions that explore what we know about human behavior from science and benevolent societies as it relates to morals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Didn't see any worshiping going on.


    I've often thought that humanism in its many forms to include atheist shouldn't be afraid to use some of the effective tools proven by religion to influence people--examples might be regular meetings during meteor showers, celebrations of prominent scientist, mathematicians and freethinkers to review and remember their contributions, or even ethical discussions that explore what we know about human behavior from science and benevolent societies as it relates to morals.
    You make a good point. though I don't necessarily think people should make a big production about being atheist. I mean we don't have meetings set around the lack of belief in Santa. What would be the point?


    But we, especially in america, have butt loads of holidays that give government workers the day off or they are simply days of rememberence but does anyone remember what those days are for.

    For instance, on Presidents day. WTF? What are we celebrating and why are we getting a day off for it? MLK day, that I am more familiar with but there are no traditions associated with it. There will come generation at some point that says, who the hell was MLK? And they will have no clue why we take that day off. We should at least have it be a day where bus fair is free or busses aren't running or the trash should not run that day. So that people remember the activities he inspired that helped secure civil rights for blacks in america.

    Then there is labor day, memorial day, and veterens day. Ok so veterens day gets some attention. People fly the flag when they normally don't. But whats up with the other two days? they are just a day to barbecue and take the day off. Was that then intention of whoever it was that declared them to be holidays? I doubt it. Why don't the schools do something to educate kids as to what these days represent?

    And why don't we have a lunar landing day? We could celebrate by beating the crap out of people who call the moon landing a hoax.

    Sorry, I went on a tangent... I'll now return you to your regular programming.
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    And I think people forget that the idea of having regular meetings where qualified people come along to talk about technical, scientific and intellectual stuff was quite common not so long ago. Things like the Mechanics Institutes and the original Workers' Education associations provided these opportunities and they only declined when the same things were available on radio and in magazines.

    I rather like the idea of going along for a bit of fun, a bit of intellectual stimulation, all spiced up with socially agreeable people and some music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    And I think people forget that the idea of having regular meetings where qualified people come along to talk about technical, scientific and intellectual stuff was quite common not so long ago. Things like the Mechanics Institutes and the original Workers' Education associations provided these opportunities and they only declined when the same things were available on radio and in magazines.

    I rather like the idea of going along for a bit of fun, a bit of intellectual stimulation, all spiced up with socially agreeable people and some music.
    Agreed, this sort of thing happens on college campuses regularly. They just don't put a label on it that implies the exclusion of faithers. I don't think it serves any purpose to atheists to create an atmosphere of unwelcomeness for those of faith. They won't learn about science and critical thinking if they never get to see it demonstrated.

    I guess for me the issue I have is that they made a big deal about it being atheistic. When it really isn't. It's just science with an air of exclusion towards faithers. Like the official, we atheists are better than you theists meeting. I'm not saying we should cater to anyone's feelings and make them feel all welcome but I don't think we should go out of our way to make them feel unwelcome either.

    I don't know what I am trying to say exactly. I have mixed... oh gosh what are those things.. oh yeah. feelings about the whole thing.
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    Atheists might have a greater effect or have more fun by simply attending a regular theist church and asking questions. I never saw anyone ever question a clergyman while I was in attendance. I wanted to but my mother would have died from embarrassment.
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    Atheists might have a greater effect or have more fun by simply attending a regular theist church and asking questions
    Or by not asking questions. Let the questions come to you.

    I sang in a church choir and also ran a church group with my husband for several years. It's a bit of a revelation to religious people that someone they know is a good person (who helps the larger group with church activities and is a source of help and kindness to people with problems) can be obviously moral and ethical without believing in any god at all. They knew I didn't belong to their particular denomination and they were fairly used to that. But eventually finding out that I didn't believe at all was an absolute stunner.

    Most religious people have a "straw atheist" in their heads. Someone who is untrammelled by faith and therefore subject to immorality and unethical behaviour because all these things come from god. You can't really expect many of them to countenance atheism, let alone accept it, before they know, really know, that it's possible to be "good without god".
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    For instance, on Presidents day. WTF? What are we celebrating and why are we getting a day off for it? MLK day, that I am more familiar with but there are no traditions associated with it. There will come generation at some point that says, who the hell was MLK? And they will have no clue why we take that day off. We should at least have it be a day where bus fair is free or busses aren't running or the trash should not run that day. So that people remember the activities he inspired that helped secure civil rights for blacks in america.
    I remember when we had both Washington's and Lincoln's birthday holidays Jan 22 & feb 22. These were combined into a single Presidents day. I don't remember what year that was, it's been awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Atheists might have a greater effect or have more fun by simply attending a regular theist church and asking questions. I never saw anyone ever question a clergyman while I was in attendance. I wanted to but my mother would have died from embarrassment.
    Every priest should have atheist hecklers. I like it!
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