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    Agree or disagree, he's articulate particularly in his analysis of Romney's foreign policy.Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama for president - CBS News
    I miss the presence of the moderate voice.

    Too bad he never tossed his hat into the ring.


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    I feel for him. He must look at the vile stuff that's circulated around Obama and thank his lucky stars he never decided to step up for the Republicans.

    At the same time he knows he's a much higher calibre of candidate than the know-nothings like Perry and Bachmann who had the gall to think they were suitable material for the job.


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    Godless communist that I am, I would vote for Powell for president. Really, it's Rayndists and the tea party and the religious right that have ruined conservatism.
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    It does kind of make me wonder whether Powell supported Obama because he wanted to see the first black US President or whether he actually had more faith in the Presidents foreign policy. Either way Powell seems more moderate than many Republicans and as such would probarbly make for a reasonably electable candidate, also seems quite popular and not tainted by his former association with the Bush Government. If you ask me some of the moderate Republicans and the Centrist Democrats seem to have far more in common with each other than the extreme wings of their own parties and at times it seems theirs are the only sane voices, regardless of whether Democrat or Republican.
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    If you ask me some of the moderate Republicans and the Centrist Democrats seem to have far more in common with each other than the extreme wings of their own parties and at times it seems theirs are the only sane voices, regardless of whether Democrat or Republican.
    I completely agree. They are fading though, in large part because they can't get funding to run for office.
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    It's not just funding. Look at what happened to Bob Inglis. Even if he had a personal war chest of tens of millions - he would still have been kicked out by the extremists in the primary. And he made a record no incumbent wants to beat, he only got 20something% of the vote in the primary selection. A lot of moderate Republicans either put their heads down or didn't even bother to nominate after that one.
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    Been trying to find an article I read a few years back about Australia's experience with compulsory voting--the brunt of the piece was it pressured all parties to move to center and fight for what had previously been disenfranchised moderates who often didn't vote before. Ever seen anything like that, or would you agree?
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    Australia's experience with compulsory voting
    It does mean that there's been a huge emphasis on the major parties picking up 'swinging' voters in marginal seats. People in "safe" seats often complain that no-one takes any notice of them. A lot of people get a bit worried that that distorts the process to the very narrow interests of people moving into certain areas - jobs, mortgage rates, and the like. That's a price I'm willing to pay, even if it's true. The US and UK systems where party insiders can bore the populace to death so that only the diehards even come out to vote at all, or they fire up their rhetoric to bring out the very worst in certain sections of the population gives me the willies.

    The advantages of an electoral system that's run, nation-wide, by an impartial, professional body with no political leanings looks better and better with every bit of further information I get about other systems. Our electoral boundaries are set by professional panels in accordance with legislation. Political parties and other interested people can make submissions to them, but the result is out of their hands. Enrolment is compulsory -that's run by professional public servants.

    Voting is simple, it's easy and straightforward and the rules about who, and how, can be helped or accompanied in a voting booth are quite clear. We talk about compulsory voting, but that's the least compulsory bit. You do have to show up and get your name crossed off the roll - but once you get your ballot paper into the booth, you can write nothing at all on it, draw pictures, or take your time and do it carefully. And then you put it into the box. It's up to the people who are paid to count votes and the volunteer scrutineers to judge whether your vote does or doesn't count.

    I much prefer a system where voting is an obligation of citizenship administered by neutral administrators rather than systems which treat it as a privilege or an option which can be denied or manipulated at the whim of partisan officials and volunteers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz
    If you ask me some of the moderate Republicans and the Centrist Democrats seem to have far more in common with each other than the extreme wings of their own parties
    I would be interested to see an example of an extreme left Democrat politician, someone who is as rabidly atheist communist as an average Republican politician is religious capitalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz
    If you ask me some of the moderate Republicans and the Centrist Democrats seem to have far more in common with each other than the extreme wings of their own parties
    I would be interested to see an example of an extreme left Democrat politician, someone who is as rabidly atheist communist as an average Republican politician is religious capitalist.
    I might struggle with that one, lol.
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    If a card carrying communist is the only kind of politician to your left, that might mean you are a bit left of center yourself.

    So, you think somebody who is a capitalist and Christian is a far right-winger?

    I'd put Obama on the extreme left. He admittedly hung out with communists in his younger days. His mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist. He has called for redistribution of wealth. I think if it was politically possible for him to do it, he'd be in the Communist party.

    He has argued in favor of an extreme abortion policy, opposing a law that would make it illegal to kill a baby that survived an abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    If a card carrying communist is the only kind of politician to your left, that might mean you are a bit left of center yourself.

    So, you think somebody who is a capitalist and Christian is a far right-winger?

    I'd put Obama on the extreme left. He admittedly hung out with communists in his younger days. His mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist. He has called for redistribution of wealth. I think if it was politically possible for him to do it, he'd be in the Communist party.

    He has argued in favor of an extreme abortion policy, opposing a law that would make it illegal to kill a baby that survived an abortion.
    Please provide a link to the specific legislation you are talking about Harold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    If a card carrying communist is the only kind of politician to your left, that might mean you are a bit left of center yourself.

    So, you think somebody who is a capitalist and Christian is a far right-winger?

    I'd put Obama on the extreme left. He admittedly hung out with communists in his younger days. His mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist. He has called for redistribution of wealth. I think if it was politically possible for him to do it, he'd be in the Communist party.

    He has argued in favor of an extreme abortion policy, opposing a law that would make it illegal to kill a baby that survived an abortion.
    And how is it that abortion defines left/right? And when and where did Obama call for the redistribution of wealth?
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    Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child. On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."
    Barack Obama on Abortion


    Obama said this to Joe the Plumber:
    "when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child. On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."
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    Obama said this to Joe the Plumber:
    "when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."
    I note that the ontheissues.org page which you pointed me to uses the book The Obama Nation as its source for the assertion of opposition to the bill, with no context given as to why he opposed it. Further looking shows that the reason he opposed the bill was due to the problematic broad wording which could have been legally interpreted to ban all abortions. It was not the situation that you are claiming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child. On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."
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    Obama said this to Joe the Plumber:
    "when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."
    I noticed the use of the term "liberal media" on the site you referenced. I challenge the objectivity and impartiality of your source.
    As for what Obama might have said to Mr. Wurzelbacher, where is the context? What did Joe say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child. On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."
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    Obama said this to Joe the Plumber:
    "when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."
    I noticed the use of the term "liberal media" on the site you referenced. I challenge the objectivity and impartiality of your source.
    As for what Obama might have said to Mr. Wurzelbacher, where is the context? What did Joe say?

    JOE WURZELBACHER, PLUMBER: Your new tax plan is going tax me more, isn't it?
    OBAMA: It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.

    Read more: Questions Over Obama's Off-the-Cuff Remark | Fox News

    Now if you don't like Fox News, you can google it up yourself. The context is, the purpose of taxing Joe the Plumber is to spread the wealth around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    The context is, the purpose of taxing Joe the Plumber is to spread the wealth around.
    I need to look up the data, but I am confident that people who make less than $100,000 pay less tax now then they did in 2007.
    Anyhow, the purpose of taxation is to provide the fiscal basis for the operation of a government. Without government there is only anarchy.
    Are you an advocate of anarchy?
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    I don't know much about Joe the plumber. But there are an awful lot of business people who claim virtues such as providing employment or being good for the region. If they don't pay good wages and they don't contribute taxes to the general welfare, what exactly are they doing that is any benefit to anyone but themselves?

    I'd put Obama on the extreme left.
    Of what? If he were European, he'd be on the moderate right of a centrist party or a mild conservative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    I don't know much about Joe the plumber. But there are an awful lot of business people who claim virtues such as providing employment or being good for the region. If they don't pay good wages and they don't contribute taxes to the general welfare, what exactly are they doing that is any benefit to anyone but themselves?
    If they are selling a product or service, then presumably they are providing something that is of benefit to someone else. People don't generally hand over their money to a businessman unless they are getting something of equal or greater value in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    The context is, the purpose of taxing Joe the Plumber is to spread the wealth around.
    I need to look up the data, but I am confident that people who make less than $100,000 pay less tax now then they did in 2007.
    Anyhow, the purpose of taxation is to provide the fiscal basis for the operation of a government. Without government there is only anarchy.
    Are you an advocate of anarchy?
    Nice straw man. Yes, the purpose of taxation is for operation of the government. It is not to spread the wealth from Joe the plumber to someone else.
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    I like gasoline prices at 9 dollars a gallon which president Obama's energy czar wants to get prices to so Americans will use alternative energy. I like the drug cartels in Mexico given guns by the Obama administration so they can kill people. Obama gets it. The US has had it too easy. He doesn't care that your relatives worked hard for you. I like not defending our ambassador and staff, I like shutting oil drilling off in Alaska as President Obama did last week. 3% unemployment under Bush was too easy. 11-14% true unemployment is much better. I like giving Americans everything so they grow up to be spoiled rotten crabby people. The last thing we want to do is get Americans to help themselves but not give them everything. Why would we give Americans the ability to work hard and keep some if their own money? They might wake up and think they could be president.
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    If he was exchanging man kisses on the front step of his home it would actually mean something.


    I'm surprised this got you because it's such an obvious logical fallacy to make guilt by association.
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    No, it's not guilt by association. Powell made a conscious decision to hobnob with a racist anti-Semite. That's on him.
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    (shrugs) And I'm sure even if true it had absolutely nothing do with the fact they were raise a couple miles from each other by Jamaican parents. The suggestion he's not a republican, for sharing a couple minute with someones' who's not, at a social occasion are ridiculous. It's no darn wonder our party's tent keep contracting--we see enemies where non exist, and suspect even our members just because they are a bit different, or dare to show some social grace. It's all the worse when we vilify a great man, for the very thing that made him a great leader in the military and as Secretary of State--his ability to take a pragmatic conservative views and when needed see past others faults It's not only guilt by association, its akin to a sour grapes attitude that's messing up our party. I didn't vote for either Romney or Obama this time around, but hope another lose of the GOP will change the party in some basic ways.
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