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    I didn't know this guy was even real until I found an article today:

    Nigerian underwear bomber gets life in prison - Yahoo! News


    It's strange that so many bombers and/or suicide killers have turned out to come from affluent backgrounds. It's not exactly the stereotype people have in their heads of poor fools getting bribed to blow themselves up so their families can have a better life. More like a coddled adolescence that results in a life with no meaning, and only Islam to fill the void.


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    Our stereotypes are often wrong. I think many Americans just refuse to acknowledge, or can't comprehend, that behind the apparent madness of a suicide bomber there could be a well-reasoned uncoerced decisions and motivations. Part could be an underlying suspision that those reasons might reflect back on American actions--so it's easier not to think about it.

    I remember this very topic coming up at the counter insurgency course I attended in Baghdad a few years back. We got a myopic presentation that painted that stereotype and a couple officers pointed out that very recently a women with an Oxford Master's degree had just blown up an Isreli marraige. A couple days later, it came up again with one of the studies such as I'm posting below. It resonated with me because it's critical we understand our enemy, no matter how uncomfortable it makes us feel; regardless if it cuts at our most basic assumptions about right and wrong, how actions are percieved and many other things essential to interacting with an hostile or fence sitting population.

    "A study of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad suicide terrorists from the late 1980s to 2003 found only 13 per cent were from a poor background, compared with 32 per cent of the Palestinian population in general, according to a New Scientist report. Suicide bombers were also three times more likely to have gone on to higher education than the general population, Claude Berrebi, an economist at Princeton University in the US, found. Ariel Merare, a psychologist at Tel Aviv University in Israel, said he had changed his view that most suicide bombers were mentally ill after studying the background of every suicide bomber in the Middle East since 1983."
    Rational, educated and prosperous: just your average suicide bomber - Science - www.smh.com.au





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    What's to understand? Rich or poor, they all go to the same mosques and madrassas, where they are indoctrinated in the principles of jihad. Nothing new, it's been going on for centuries.
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    I have no compassion for the underwear bomber. He can rot in jail as far as I'm concerned. Call me an unsympathetic hardliner if you want. My opinion is that most criminals know they are committing a crime otherwise they wouldn't try to elude police, conceal weapons or clandestinely scheme. My advice to him: keep your underwear on in prison or be prepared to experience new fireworks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    What's to understand? Rich or poor, they all go to the same mosques and madrassas, where they are indoctrinated in the principles of jihad. Nothing new, it's been going on for centuries.
    Massive overgeneralization much based on wildly inaccurate stereotypes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Massive overgeneralization much based on wildly inaccurate stereotypes?
    Naive denial of reality?
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    No it is not naive denial of reality. You ahve stereotyped an entire religion based on the actions of a very small percentage of its fringe. Yet you are the same person that rails against similar generalizations based on fundamental Christians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    No it is not naive denial of reality. You ahve stereotyped an entire religion based on the actions of a very small percentage of its fringe. Yet you are the same person that rails against similar generalizations based on fundamental Christians
    Here is another Muslim dude stereotyping his entire religion, Amine El khalifi. there are plenty more just like him.

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    It is overall broad.

    Almost certainly most Islamic suicide bombers do attend Mosque, much like just about all Christians attend churches. And certainly those that take extreme position, whether they are a well-educated Muslim planning to blow up a wedding, or an ignorant Bubba type planning to blow up a family planning clinic get much of the fuel for their commitment from where they take their services. They also probably have similar heavily bias toward particular parts of their religion-- the Muslim focuses on the Koran and Hadiths which talk about killing those of other faiths, while ignoring the context of those passages only applied to direct defense of Mecca and only as a last resort after multiple attempts to avoid the violence. The family planning clinic bomber focuses on the OT passages where god orders slaying and genocide of other religions while ignoring the core message of the NT.
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    I don't know what the core message is of the Koran or the Old Testament. It doesn't really matter what the core message is. The only thing that matters is what the followers of the religion think it means, and how they behave.

    The topic of the thread is about the motivation of the underwear bomber. Had it been about someone bombing an abortion clinic, then there might have been a reason to bring up what Christians believe.

    I didn't claim that it applied to all Muslims. Only those who believe as the underwear bomber does. Those who do, do it because that is what they have been brought up to believe, and how they are indoctrinated. Is this really controversial?
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    Yes it is controversial when you make such generalized and stereotypical assertions is your first comment. If the UB is anything like most others that take such extreme measures, eg clinic bombings, there are most likely more factors at play then just attending a place of worship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
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    No it is not naive denial of reality. You ahve stereotyped an entire religion based on the actions of a very small percentage of its fringe. Yet you are the same person that rails against similar generalizations based on fundamental Christians
    Here is another Muslim dude stereotyping his entire religion, Amine El khalifi. there are plenty more just like him.

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    As well he should. Would we want to be painted with the brush of the Christian Wackos, when by our Constitution, religion is not supposed to be part of our governement?
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