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    we waste so much fuel for all of the huge ships of the navy

    what if it were possible to make a closed system that created excess electricity to be harvested?

    imagine a wind tunnel that is littered with turbines

    the wind tunnel would circle around on itself, and a few strategically placed fans would provide a continued source of air in the system, to power the fans you would route a portion of the turbine produced electricity back into the system via the fans. the rest of the resultant electricity is used to power the ship...


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    Yes it has been used by the boat Alcyon and it was working well.

    Now, why it hasnt been applied to military boat : if there is no wind you're stuck .. and for the army its inacceptable !


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    but the possibility of "no wind" is nullified by the way the system is established.

    the wind tunnel is more like a circle than a line, thus, the air is always refreshed by the fans within

    here is what I am trying to explain

    a circle with points "A" through "L" at points equivalent to 1 through 12 on a clock

    each letter represents a fan placed throughout the system

    between the fans are a few turbines that produce the electricity

    the electricity is processed somewhere

    some electricity is rerouted back into the system to power the fans

    the rest of the electricity powers the ship

    in this way, we have a large, perpetual, efficient power source.


    This would be like having a field of wind mills, but you never have to worry about the wind coming or not. The fans provide sufficient wind for the turbines to turn. Is this more clear?
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    It's flawless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathwiz8390
    but the possibility of "no wind" is nullified by the way the system is established.

    the wind tunnel is more like a circle than a line, thus, the air is always refreshed by the fans within

    here is what I am trying to explain

    a circle with points "A" through "L" at points equivalent to 1 through 12 on a clock

    each letter represents a fan placed throughout the system

    between the fans are a few turbines that produce the electricity

    the electricity is processed somewhere

    some electricity is rerouted back into the system to power the fans

    the rest of the electricity powers the ship

    in this way, we have a large, perpetual, efficient power source.


    This would be like having a field of wind mills, but you never have to worry about the wind coming or not. The fans provide sufficient wind for the turbines to turn. Is this more clear?
    Except that is their was no new wind for some time the batteries would drain and their would be no power left to power the fans. Even at 100% efficiency you can only reach deadlock.
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    why would you need "new wind" when the "old wind" was never released, just recirculated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathwiz8390
    why would you need "new wind" when the "old wind" was never released, just recirculated?
    Because it would dissipate and or slow down. Friction on the very surfaces that contained it.
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    no it wouldn't

    the fans in the circular tunnel would replenish the flow of the air, the air would never leave the circuit, but the fans would always maintain a brisk flow throughout the tunnel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathwiz8390
    no it wouldn't

    the fans in the circular tunnel would replenish the flow of the air, the air would never leave the circuit, but the fans would always maintain a brisk flow throughout the tunnel
    I think you need to study some basic laws of physics to find the flaws in this design. Without an external source to keep it moving they will in fact come to a stand still. The transfer of wind to mechanical motion is not 100%, not even close. The friction in the bearings, and yes the friction of the air hitting objects. Nothing is free and nothing runs forever without energy to feed it.
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    ok, how long do you think it could go on the way I have it?

    how much would an intake vent or two increase the longevity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathwiz8390
    ok, how long do you think it could go on the way I have it?

    how much would an intake vent or two increase the longevity?
    That would require some calculations to figure out, 50 billion variables. With no source of outside power at all I think your looking at minutes if your lucky.

    Hundreds of thousands of people every day are trying to do projects like this, nobody so far has succeeded.

    Supplement your wind with solar power at the same time and you may keep it running a lot longer. Still you will never get 100% efficiency and are in a sense just using a glorified windmill with solar backup.

    Wind power is great, when it's windy. Don't try to make a loop, try to figure out ways to capture it with close to 100% efficiency. This will yield the best results. I'm not saying this design is not doing that, I'm just saying feeding power back in to a system is counter productive.
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    energy cannnot be created or destroyed, just changed from one form to another.

    in theory it is possible, to keep producing th energy, but by the time all 12 fans reach the maximum flow, and the turbines are turned, all energy produced would become used.

    the thing would keep moving.. but would not produce extra energy.

    plus.. as it is going it would be losing power all the time.. the air friction would slow the fans just a little bit... thus slow the turbines... thus less energy for the fans... thus less time for the turbines to move.. on and on...

    theory.. good idea... practise.. bad
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    Erm, theoretically "Eternity" machines are not possible. And no way your going to get it to produce extra power to fuel something else. The hamsters in the wheels, is my suggestion..
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    Ships could be run by combusting hydrogen. (Water is of course near:P)
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    energy cannnot be created or destroyed, just changed from one form to another.

    THERE WOULD BE AN LOT OF FRICTION IN THE BLADES OF THE TURBINES WHICH WOULD WOULD REDUCE THE PRODUCION OF ENERGY THEREBY POSSIBLY WONT BE ENOUGH TO RUN THE MAIN WIND GENERATOR.THIS IDEA HAS OCCOURED TO MANY :-D
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    Yes it will work for some time. Since the amount of energy being produced will decrease gradually as time passes. Since,


    1.Due to some amount resistance in the conducting wire, the amount of electricity consumed by the fans which run the wind tunnel will decrease.

    2.This decreases the resultant velocity of the wind in the wind tunnel.

    3.Thereby the amount of electricity being produced by the turbines decreases.

    4.As the steps 1, 2, 3 go on the amount of resultant resultant energy being produced will decrease.

    5.A situation arises where the turbine will not be able to produce enough electricity to run the fans which run the wind in the wind tunnel


    Thus this machine will stop working after considerable amount of time.

    Remedy: Super conductors can solve this problem since they have 0 resistance. The problem with them is that they will function only at very low temperatures and it is very difficult to maintain such low temperatures.
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    Plus there is battery memory so they would only charge a certain amount and they would only discharge a certain amount after a while.
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    Blade tip vortexes will take about 20% the overall energy in each turbine. This energy is turned into heat and raises the temperature of air, which in turns cools off to the outside of the system... entropy is a bitch and it haves forever motion machines for breakfast, daily.
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    It seems like you guys don't want to use common sense to solve anything. Can't you just get more air from outside?
    Wind power is great, when it's windy. Don't try to make a loop, try to figure out ways to capture it with close to 100% efficiency. This will yield the best results. I'm not saying this design is not doing that, I'm just saying feeding power back in to a system is counter productive.
    For practical use, that's a waste of time and money. We already know it'll never run forever due to things other than just below 100% transfer of energy, like maintainence of the fans and turbines, possible corrosion of materials, possible impurities in the air itself that are hazardous to the systems and dozens of other things. Looking at ideas from an engineering perspective rathers than the totally abstract (and sometimes fairy tale-like) physical perspective helps sometimes.
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