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  1. #1 Advanced Propulsion Devices 
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    Ever witnessed a flying saucer (sometimes called "UFO") which flies at extremely high speeds and pulls off right angles and maneuvers that would tear any other flying machine into a million pieces? Read on...

    Many people report that the UFOs they have witnessed glow bright colors, sometimes they even have high voltage lightning shooting off of these ships. Often the UFO (space ship) will glow purple, green, orange, or red. The key is that you realize electricity at high voltages can cause the air around an electrified device to glow different colors, all depending upon what sort of atmospheric gases are around the flying craft. (in much the same way your flourescent bulbs cause the gases inside them to glow brightly) With these color variations we've been given a clue as to what is making these machines fly, and if you read on in this post you will realize that the technology is advanced, but not so advanced that your top-secret government couldn't build it.

    If we take these high voltage clues and add them together we come upon some very interesting truths. All matter in the universe is made of electric charges ie neutrons protons electrons etc. Every atom has a frequency of vibration at which these electric charges endlessly orbit the electrically charged nucleus. It sounds like our universe has a micro-perpetual-motion law working here... How can we access these ceaselessly spinning electric charges?

    Before you assume that aliens are flying around in flying saucers you must first go back in time roughly 100 years to look at histories most obscured and hidden scientist: Dr Nikola Tesla! (my favorite HIGH VOLTAGE scientist) To get you started here are some quotes from Dr Tesla himself:

    “Not the aeroplane, the flying machine,” responded Dr. Tesla. “Now you have struck the point in which I am most deeply interested—the object toward which I have been devoting my energies for more than twenty years—the dream of my life. It was in seeking the means of making the perfect flying machine that I developed this device.”

    He continued:

    “The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable.

    He concluded:

    “My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air” or downward currents..... It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action.”

    “The application of this principle will give the world a flying machine unlike anything that has ever been suggested before. It will have no planes, no screw propellers or devices of any kind hitherto used. It will be small and compact, excessively swift, and, above all, perfectly safe in the greatest storm. It can be built of any size and can carry any weight that may be desired”

    (taken from http://www.pritchardschool.com/Tesla...ng_Machine.pdf
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    Wait just one second, here you have witnessed Dr. Nikola Tesla (inventor of the high voltage Tesla Coil) talking about a..... FLYING MACHINE!?!?!?!!? The wheels in your head should be spinning at a very high RPM indeed.

    Before Tesla was an electrical engineer he was a mechanical engineer and as his genius moved forward he found a way to combine these two fields of study into the now top secret: ELECTRO-MOTIVE ENGINEERING field. This means that the flying machines you see in the sky which have been defying physics these many years are not defying physics at all, they are working off of SECRET science which has been kept away from the public eye for over 90 years!

    This means that flying saucers, triangular aircraft, cigar shaped crafts etc are NOT from deep space, these flying saucers which work off of high voltage high frequency technology actually grapple the electric-wave-based fabric of space and thus SYNTHESIZE MOMENTUM in any desired direction!!! This allows them to do right angle turns at speeds which would rip any other flying machine apart because they control inertia with high voltage high frequency electricity!!!

    Since all matter is made of electric charges inertia momentum and gravity are ALL ELECTRIC IN NATURE!! This means that the oil you are putting in your car which has been destroying our environment has been secretly outdated for a very long time! This means that you have been an energy slave and your parents have been “energy slaves” a very long time!

    The MAN-MADE-ELECTRO-MOTIVE-FLYING-SAUCER uses the electrical attractive force to get it here and there, and the electrical attractive force is 10 to the 49nth power multiplied by 2.2 TIMES STRONGER THAN GRAVITY, no wonder they fly around so well !!!

    This means that the electrical attractive force which Tesla employed on his flying machine is: 220,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000 times stronger than gravity, no wonder there are videos of these flying machines moving away so fast it looks like they are disappearing or "teleporting" or "going into another dimension." It is none of those, it is merely the most extreme acceleration imaginable, as though the ship were already moving its max speed with no resistance to the movement since the momentum is controlled so perfectly with high voltage !!!!

    Energy cannot be created or destroyed, thus it only changes in form and need only be accessed with the proper technology.

    NOW YOU MUST GO AND CONTINUE YOUR KNOWLEDGE CRAVINGS AT AMAZON.COM and search for the book which has shown that Extraterrestrial Aliens exist only in your TV: The name of these books are: Pentagon Aliens, Occult Ether Physics (Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It)

    If you want to know the truth about flying saucers and many other top secret free energy machines these books are a must read!!!!

    GOOD LUCK!!!!!


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    Wow, what a load of complete bollocks.


    I say this as you have given no explanation as to exactly HOW these so-called flying saucers "harness" the power of "high voltage electrical attractive force" (isn't that called electrostatic?) to fly through the air.



    God I hate it when people post crap like this.


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    Ya, I think it is kinda funny. The same forces that rip a plane into a million pieces would rip the head of your shoulders, let alone turn you into a splat on the wall.
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    Hey,

    I have been researching advanced propulsion systems for many years. If you do not beleive in the possibility of advanced forms of space propulsion using electromagnetic fields, than you are not up to date with current physics.

    Universities have begun to make Calls for Papers looking for exotic and radical propulsion systems, just like this.

    You do not need to break laws of physics to do these things, you just need to actually understand the physics. There is alot of garbage and unrealistic ideas out there, but there does exist some real theory and solid physical examples, of technology most people could not comprehend.

    Check out my website:

    http://www.ovaltech.ca

    I would love to discuss this topic further.
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    Tesla is a wonderfully entertaining guy. He was right enough times, that you never knew which of his claims was bullocks and which were true. He had equal measures of both, and some of the true ones were the most preposterous.

    However, this can become a boring discussion if we don't talk about how the proposed machines would actually work.

    The credible explanation for electrical propulsion that I've ever heard is one where you ionize the air around the aircraft, and then use electric forces to start pulling and/or pushing that air away/toward the aircraft. Basically, you're still doing the same thing a propeller does, except you're using electricity to move the air instead.

    I see no reason why it couldn't work, other than that you'd need an awful lot of electricity. ..... which makes me doubt that the engine would be efficient.
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    As if a tiny airplane propeller moving the entire airplane is going to be as eficient as a vehicle which can move an immense volume of air around the vehicle at the same time, under complete control. 40% of the drag is air friction. Using electodynamics you are turning this drag into a propulsive force, you could apply it to existing airplanes to increase safety.
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    Not to bring anything outside the realm of science, like flying saucers into this, but...

    In old Hindi Manuscripts, there have not only been stories of great flying machines, which could hover stationary, fly faster than the speed fo sound, and utilized power sources of all sorts, but they have left "descriptions" as to how they work as well. Now take into consideration that their descriptive vocabulary is quite possibly from a non-expert source, as well as the fact that it, of course, won't match up to modern day terminology.

    I don't bring that up to pull a conspiracy theory out of my butt, but to throw into sharp comparison, the descriptions of what our modern technology is capable of.

    We have planes that can fly many times beyond the speed of sound, planes that can evade many types of detection, helicopters that can stay stationary in the air despite their massive size. To imagine evolving machinery to incorperate all of those abilities into one aerial vessel is not all that far fetched. Even with all the new theories of power harnessing and energy effiency coming to light every year. We have even taken the first steps with the developement of our jets which can conduct verticle take-offs.

    I think that the developement of this all encompassing air contraption is inevitable. However, we have a tendancy to "not fix something if it ain't broke" in order to save precious budget space. So, until a need for one ship to be able to harness that much power and potential comes around, I can't see why we wouldn't just use what we already got.

    As to an engine effieciency dilemma with the ionizing air, we are still using a rather archaic combustable engine. While they are efficient and have servered us well so far, I believe a more efficient and compact engine will surface in due time, one perhaps with enough kick to ionize the air.

    If the ionized air conjecture is plausible, then a saucer-like aircraft would indeed produce lift to some degree in any direction over its surface. It would take a complex system, but I can see how it would work.

    I am still trying to make some kind of conjecture as to how the craft would hover still. It would require some sort of anchor while it moves the ionized air across its surfaces to create lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhayman
    As if a tiny airplane propeller moving the entire airplane is going to be as eficient as a vehicle which can move an immense volume of air around the vehicle at the same time, under complete control. 40% of the drag is air friction. Using electodynamics you are turning this drag into a propulsive force, you could apply it to existing airplanes to increase safety.
    The efficiency problem is that just the fact you're ionizing the air first, before you move it means you're using a lot of electricity to do very little actual work. Also, a some of the electricity you're using to charge the air might just seep out into the atmosphere instead of staying where you want it.


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    If the ionized air conjecture is plausible, then a saucer-like aircraft would indeed produce lift to some degree in any direction over its surface. It would take a complex system, but I can see how it would work.

    I am still trying to make some kind of conjecture as to how the craft would hover still. It would require some sort of anchor while it moves the ionized air across its surfaces to create lift.
    I think that, if a substantial portion of the craft spins, that would be sufficient to create a gyroscopic effect.

    Another propulsion possibility is that they use nuclear rockets. The technology exists, but tends to make people nervous. At least one UFO sighting mentions the machine pulling a bunch of water from the ocean into itself. That might be necessary if it's trying to rapidly cool a nuclear reactor, or just needs more water to use as a moderator.

    Once we're talking about a nuclear powered craft, efficiency really doesn't matter anymore. It's not going to run out of fuel very fast.
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    The same efficiencies which apply to an aeroplane apply to an electric vehicle. If an engine produces enough power to mechanically move enough air to fly, then that same engine can produce enough electrical power to fly the vehicle electrically. In fact the electric propulsion would be more efficient, because like I said earlier you are in complete control of the drag. All your electrical energy is going into reducing the drag, so what little electrical energy you finally use for actual forward momentum, would be very efficient.

    Take an ordinary plane able to carry, say a large diesel generator and some electronics to transform this power into high voltage. If the plane itself were highly charged positively( especially the nose and leading edges of the wings ), and the exhaust stream charged negatively. You could massively reduce the drag, and greatly increase the lifting capacity and top speed of the plane. The same could even be applied to a car or a rocket.

    Flame jet generation can easily provide sufficient electrical power for these systems. A rocket or jet engine is used to generate very high electrical currents.
    A rocket using flame jet generation, and using this power to charge itself to high positive potential, while sending the negative charge out the exhaust stream, could potentially reach higher altittudes.

    There is way more evidence to support the reality of field propulsion than most people realize. Top scientist are being actively encouraged to entertain these very ideas. If you think field propulsion is science fiction, you are simply not up to date with current scientific research and experimentation.

    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/AdvS...Travel2008.pdf
    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/Adva...on%20Craft.pdf

    This paper is like 30 or 40 years old!
    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/ElecMagInertia.pdf
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    My mistake.n This is the old article.

    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/elecpropstudy.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhayman
    The same efficiencies which apply to an aeroplane apply to an electric vehicle. If an engine produces enough power to mechanically move enough air to fly, then that same engine can produce enough electrical power to fly the vehicle electrically. In fact the electric propulsion would be more efficient, because like I said earlier you are in complete control of the drag. All your electrical energy is going into reducing the drag, so what little electrical energy you finally use for actual forward momentum, would be very efficient.
    You're right that it would suffer less drag, but you have to ionize the air before you can move it, and ionizing it takes energy. So you're dealing with both 1)- the cost of ionization and 2)- the cost of moving the ions after you create them.

    A traditional engine only has to handle the cost of moving the air.


    Take an ordinary plane able to carry, say a large diesel generator and some electronics to transform this power into high voltage. If the plane itself were highly charged positively( especially the nose and leading edges of the wings ), and the exhaust stream charged negatively. You could massively reduce the drag, and greatly increase the lifting capacity and top speed of the plane. The same could even be applied to a car or a rocket.

    Flame jet generation can easily provide sufficient electrical power for these systems. A rocket or jet engine is used to generate very high electrical currents.
    A rocket using flame jet generation, and using this power to charge itself to high positive potential, while sending the negative charge out the exhaust stream, could potentially reach higher altittudes.
    You're probably right about the top speed being higher, and if you had an unlimited supply of electricity then I'd agree with the rest as well. The problem is that it would have very poor fuel efficiency.

    It's kind of like how a Lamborghini Diablo is faster than a Honda Accord, but the Accord gets way better mileage. If we're talking about trying to get into space, then we need mileage. If you just want something that can accelerate fast for a few minutes before it burns all of its fuel, then electric flight could be very fun to try.


    There is way more evidence to support the reality of field propulsion than most people realize. Top scientist are being actively encouraged to entertain these very ideas. If you think field propulsion is science fiction, you are simply not up to date with current scientific research and experimentation.

    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/AdvS...Travel2008.pdf
    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/Adva...on%20Craft.pdf

    This paper is like 30 or 40 years old!
    http://www.ovalecotech.ca/pdfss/ElecMagInertia.pdf
    I don't doubt that it would work, but I think it runs into the same problem as lasers when you try to use it for a military application. Nobody is going to invest serious money until you solve the energy problem.

    If aliens use this technology (and exist), then I somehow suspect their crafts must be nuclear powered, so the energy costs wouldn't be a serious issue for them.
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    I agree with you on the fuel consumption issue. It would use more fuel, but your end velocity would be higher. I have been debating building a Tesla Car which uses electric fields to increase speeds for drag racing, where fuel economy is not an issue. I think overall electric propulsion will prove more efficient than mechanical propulsion. If just because of the efficiencies of electrical energy conversions, over mechanical ones( IE a transformer is over 90% efficient, a combustion engine is at best 60% )

    There is another solution to the issue besides the nuclear solution. I am very much against the use of nuclear power in space. too dirty.

    If a vehicle could use a pure electromagnetic inductive reactance on space/time itself, than the efficiencies would be much more practical. By this I mean the vehicles electrical energy goes entirely into the matter of the vehicle itself, energizing it to a high degree. Ionization in this case would be a secondary, inductive effect, and a LOSS to be minimized. Hard to explain in a couple sentences, but it relies on a much more direct and fundamental connection between electricity and inertia and momentum. Artificial creation of momentum on mass using an electromagnetic field, like in magnetohydrodynamics. But not external, internal to the entire vehicle. So the reaction is entirely on the enviroment as an inductive effect. Like an electromagnetic induction levitation coil, only many times more powerful.

    I consider the anology of an electromagnetic propellor or electromagnetic jet engine. that is a field which acts on the air exactly like a normal propellor or turbine, but is an electromagnetic field. Thus normal limits to propellor RPM and size are eliminated. The inefficiencies may be compensated by the fact this virtual propellor can rotate orders of magnitude faster than a physical one( millions of RPM ), and effect a larger volume of air than a physical propellor.

    It is not just about money. If enough people were serious about this kind of research, the money would materialize. At present to few people have the understanding or overall interest in space travel, period. Nobody really cares. I tell people I follow advanced propulsion systems, and they just laugh. Often they have no legitimate reason or background to support this reaction. It is just what they have been told for so long, advanced propulsion is crazy Alien talk for wierdos. But while the masses laugh, this stuff is being built, and used, right now.

    Some things I am certain of. If this technology is real. It will be built. Because anyone who can control space will not be able to resist the temptation of the power that represents. It is just a matter of time, and competition always accelerates these timelines.

    But thats just my opinion.
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    And if you believe that, I have this idea for this bomb.

    What if you could break atoms themselves, right in half. It would release all this energy and cause a huge explosion. It would just use normal explosives and some special atoms which are easier to break than ordinary atoms.
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    I saw UFOs twice!!!

    I remember the first one very well, because it was the same night I had been sampling alot of my cousin Billy's powerful new moonshine!

    The second time was incredible! The aliens were flashing their multi-color lights all over the place! It was also memorable because it was during my fourth and final bout for the local boxing title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glhayman

    If a vehicle could use a pure electromagnetic inductive reactance on space/time itself, than the efficiencies would be much more practical. By this I mean the vehicles electrical energy goes entirely into the matter of the vehicle itself, energizing it to a high degree. Ionization in this case would be a secondary, inductive effect, and a LOSS to be minimized. Hard to explain in a couple sentences, but it relies on a much more direct and fundamental connection between electricity and inertia and momentum. Artificial creation of momentum on mass using an electromagnetic field, like in magnetohydrodynamics. But not external, internal to the entire vehicle. So the reaction is entirely on the enviroment as an inductive effect. Like an electromagnetic induction levitation coil, only many times more powerful.

    The possibility of direct space-time interaction is a pretty speculative theory, I think. People have observed super conductor coils to levitate, but that could very well be a result of exactly the effect we've been discussing: the coil is probably ionizing the air around it, and then pushing it downward. I doubt it would work in a vacuum.

    If it did work, I bet it wouldn't be by pushing off of space-time itself. If I want to be really really speculative, I'd go with the possibility of pushing off of ambient cosmic microwaves, which might make it possible to propel oneself through space without bringing any propellant. - But I don't know if any theory exists for that.
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    There is the whole theory of using dark matter to condense and expand space in a bubble around the vessel to project it faster than light. This kind of projection doesn't require specific vessel architecture. The projection through space isn't what would puzzle me. Instead its the atmospheric conditions required to project the lift required within the planet's atmosphere. The ship would have had to be designed for use on very specific planets and conditions. I don't even know where to start throwing the darts at how the ship's locomotive assets would perform in extreme atmospheric conditions in both composition and density. The use of air to create lift doesn't exactly work on say, our own moon.
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    There are likely many ways to electromagnetically propel vehicles. Sure there are many ionization types of propulsion, but this is not the only type of electric propulsion possible.

    Matter is electromagnetic field. You can use electromagnetic fields to manipulate matter directly, as in NMRI. Field propulsion would use very similar systems. Our inertial reference frame( the rotating Earth's surface ) , has an effect on the matter. Perhaps it is possible, to manipulate the orientation of this inertial moment in the matter, directly, with a correctly applied combination of electromagnetic fields?

    We exist in a delicate balance of forces, however the rotation of the Earth's surface on which we stand seems to be the one of greatest magnitude. We are travelling at an immense velocity, right now, completely unaware. Field propulsion, is the creation of a similar effect, artificially.

    The question isn't is this technology is possible, the question is do you have the money and resources to build it? Would be pretty hard to build an NMRI in your garage. Or even an orbital rocket. Everybody knows how that works, so why isn't everybody building their own rocket into space. Because electric technology is not as well known, and highly experimental, no-one wants to put up the money.

    Do people honestly believe that Boeing or Northrop Grumman would publicly announce to the world they discovered some new radical propulsion systems. It would be a corporate secret, like the Coca Cola formula.
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    What you are talking about, "Using microwaves to react against" is almost the same thing as a space/time reaction. But not just microwaves, all em waves. It has been proven even empty space contains a huge amount of energy because any region of space/time will have either gravity waves or em waves passing through it. Your body right now is being penetrated by innumerable em waves at this very moment.

    What physicists are discovering is that gravity and em fields are reactions in a larger entity or field, Space/time. Creating and manipulating em fields is directly manipulating Space/Time, just as gravity is a stress or manipulation of space/time. The problems for practicle use of this, would be sufficient power and being able to alter inertia with em energy.

    I know it sounds crazy, but think about this. The surface of the earth, although appearing stationary to us, is actually travelling at an immense speed as we rotate in space/time. Yet we are unaware of this speed, unless we observe something outside our reference, like the sun, moon and stars. There is a field within which we live right now which is causing matter to move through space/time at high speed. What if you could seperate a bubble of space/time from this local inertial field?

    Besides this really technical stuff, some guy just invented a toy using helium and magnetohydrodynamics. Flys around with no moving parts. About 15 cm in diameter. Man, there are thousands of designs, that work. Were just stuck on rockets and aeroplanes.
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    An advanced electromagnetic propulsion device:

    http://www.ovaltech.ca/images/Hyperjet.jpg

    It just goes up, till the battery runs dead.
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    Come to think of it, in space, pushing off of cosmic rays (which are not actually rays, but mostly protons moving at high speeds) might stand a chance to work. You'd need a huge magnetic field, and some way to catch only the rays that are already moving in the desired direction (which probably makes it still impossible...) But maybe.

    Aliens in space (if they exist) would have access to energy sources we can only imagine. If they set up a solar array near a star like the Sun, it would have sunlight 24/7.

    Currently we have the technology to produce positrons (anti-electrons) at a rate of about 25 million dollars per milligram. Maybe a thousand years from now that price will go down, and then we could start powering our space craft off of anti-matter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter#Cost
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    Do people honestly believe that Boeing or Northrop Grumman would publicly announce to the world they discovered some new radical propulsion systems. It would be a corporate secret, like the Coca Cola formula.
    No, they would "publicly announce to the world" their discovery, if not the details. The details would be like the coca-cola formula, but just an announcement would be like coca-cola advertising coke zero.

    Short term, I like nuclear rockets, because it's a lot less important that nuclear power is "dirty" in space than on earth- you don't have to worry about the fish when you eject your spent fuel.
    My sketches for nuclear rockets include fuel rods made of gadolinium, and an engine-eject mechanism (meltdown? Jettison the engine!) so it's not dangerous for the crew either.
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    At the very least, they would probably file for a patent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    At the very least, they would probably file for a patent.
    Yeah, but the patent would probably be kept secret. Yes, you can get a secret patent, if the government thinks that your invention should be kept secret...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    At the very least, they would probably file for a patent.
    The LAST thing they would do is file for a patent unless encouraged to do so by the Department of Defense..

    1. Most research in aeerospace defense is carried out under government contract. That usually gives the government data rights, often unlimited, to whatever is developed. Results of that research are subject to DOD classification.

    2. Propulsion technology is subject to ITAR and other export regulations, so the government controls foreign markets.

    3. Patent applications are reviewed by the military and can be stopped by a secrecy order. Secrecy orders can be extremely restrictive, even placing severe limits within a company. It is generally not revealed who imposes the secrecy order.

    4. All large defense patents contain an "authorization clause" which allows the contractor to infringe on any patent with impunity.

    5. A patent tells everyone how to practice whatever art is represented by the patent. When a patent is published, the cat is out of the bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRocket
    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    At the very least, they would probably file for a patent.
    2. Propulsion technology is subject to ITAR and other export regulations, so the government controls foreign markets.

    3. Patent applications are reviewed by the military and can be stopped by a secrecy order. Secrecy orders can be extremely restrictive, even placing severe limits within a company. It is generally not revealed who imposes the secrecy order.
    So, if an average schmuck were to develop anti-gravity, or some other crazy lifting device in their garage, the US military can simply step in and deprive them of all recognition and compensation for it?

    Does the inventor get any kind of consolation prize?


    5. A patent tells everyone how to practice whatever art is represented by the patent. When a patent is published, the cat is out of the bag.
    The ease of obtaining provisional patents must really cause them a lot of grief.
    Some clocks are only right twice a day, but they are still right when they are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    So, if an average schmuck were to develop anti-gravity, or some other crazy lifting device in their garage, the US military can simply step in and deprive them of all recognition and compensation for it?

    Does the inventor get any kind of consolation prize?
    He can sue the government for compensation. As part of the authorization clause, the government allows themselves to be sued.

    Average schmucks don't normally invent stuff of interest. The ones that do are VERY careful about licensing, and big defense companies don't sue their customer.

    All this is a bit surprising since government program managers don't care about such lawsuits. They are paid out of a pot of money that is separate from the program budget. Still the big boys never sue the government.

    I once received a telephone call from a competitor accusing me of infringing on his patent. I told him that I knew all about his patent and was not using his process. I further told him that even if I were using it, I had an authorization clause in the contract and that he would therefore have to sue the U.S. Army. I never heard another word on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    The ease of obtaining provisional patents must really cause them a lot of grief.
    Provisional patent applications (there is no such thing as a "provisional patent") aren't published.
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    Any "shmuck" could smash a clock to pieces and proclaim, "I know all the parts, I know how a clock works!" Then proceed to force people to recall his names for the parts and his theories of how they work. They could be great names and workable theories, which accurately describe the observations. However, someone with real genious, might be so inclined to build a working clock, which obviously requires a much deeper understanding of clocks. The vast majority of people seem to not really care how said clock even actually works. They just want the end use, to know the time.

    Field propulsion works. Period. The only issue is power, not possibility.
    http://www.ovaltech.ca/spctrvl/thryop3.html
    These electromagnetic submarines work because of electromagnetic field induction, not propellent. They do not have any onboard propellant, no moving parts, can be made with no intakes or exhausts, yet they are propelled. These submarines are closed mechanical systems, but are not closed electromagnetically.
    These submarines are extremely simple prototypes, with very inefficient systems for creating the required electromagnetic fields.

    With research, thousands of ways to power it, increase efficiency, and produce higher forces could be discovered.
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