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  1. #1 Security of nuclear weapons? Have any been purloined, or could be, by rouge actors?! 
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    The world has many thousands of nuclear weapons. From "suitcase bombs" to thermonuclear warheads with megaton yields. Their security is a constant threat. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the west helped the newly formed Russian Federation secure and help dispose of many of them, but could some have been stolen during all that chaos?

    Also, Pakistan is a security issue, big time. They are estimated to have at least 150 nuclear warheads, and a clearly shaky government, at least compared to most nuclear powers. Keep in mind these were the same people who helped Osama bin Laden hide out for years, before we took him out in a clandestine raid in 2011. The protests by the Pakistanis was not reassuring as to their innate intentions.

    And there is no telling what Putin is capable of. Let's not forget that chubby little Kim of the DPRK could get desperate and trade a few nukes for food and medicine before his entire country implodes.

    Is the world safe from rogue nuclear strikes due to poor security?

    This may be the biggest threat from all the wackos out there!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
    The world has many thousands of nuclear weapons. From "suitcase bombs" to thermonuclear warheads with megaton yields. Their security is a constant threat. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the west helped the newly formed Russian Federation secure and help dispose of many of them, but could some have been stolen during all that chaos?

    Also, Pakistan is a security issue, big time. They are estimated to have at least 150 nuclear warheads, and a clearly shaky government, at least compared to most nuclear powers. Keep in mind these were the same people who helped Osama bin Laden hide out for years, before we took him out in a clandestine raid in 2011. The protests by the Pakistanis was not reassuring as to their innate intentions.

    And there is no telling what Putin is capable of. Let's not forget that chubby little Kim of the DPRK could get desperate and trade a few nukes for food and medicine before his entire country implodes.

    Is the world safe from rouge nuclear strikes due to poor security?

    This may be the biggest threat from all the wackos out there!
    Rouge actors? Sounds a bit camp to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by exchemist View Post
    Rouge actors? Sounds a bit camp to me.
    It should sound very much like "camp" - Many of them use camps due to their ease of mobility and evading detection.

    They also tend to live in the eastern hemisphere. Surely many have seen such actors in news broadcasts and documentaries over the years, and what such people can accomplish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
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    Rouge actors? Sounds a bit camp to me.
    It should sound very much like "camp" - Many of them use camps due to their ease of mobility and evading detection.

    They also tend to live in the eastern hemisphere. Surely many have seen such actors in news broadcasts and documentaries over the years, and what such people can accomplish.
    You totally missed the joke that exchemist was making. in your op you said "rouge nuclear strikes" what you meant was rogue. Rouge is a type of makeup.
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    They also wear makeup disguised as women. Rogue actors in rouge!?

    Comments on typos indicate a lack of knowledge of the subject matter, an apparent problem in most forums. Intellectuals would never bother with such trivial aspects.

    But the two of you made some great contributions to this thread. No doubt all appreciate such enormous insight into nuclear weapon security.

    Will make sure we all read your sagely advice in the future.

    Or not.....

    (On the plus side, you two have no reason to fear losing reputations for brilliant replies!)
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    Intellectuals would never bother with such trivial aspects.

    Per whom?

    The passive aggressive dismissal of posts one doesn't like is a common theme with your posts isn't it? Question intelligence or knowledge of a subject and then use that strawman position to ignore the actual posts that you don't like. That behavior is why you get very little interaction on your posts.
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    [QUOTE=Paleoichneum;631329]
    The passive aggressive dismissal of posts one doesn't like is a common theme with your posts isn't it? Question intelligence or knowledge of a subject and then use that strawman position to ignore the actual posts that you don't like. That behavior is why you get very little interaction on your posts.
    "The passive aggressive dismissal of posts" are often required when smothered with inaccurate or misleading comments. You happen to be at the top of that list.

    The reason I get very little interaction on my posts is a lack of knowledge or interest in those reading or posting. It happens all the time.

    Yours are a classic example. Spending too much time in the echo chamber to see through the fog of misinterpretations.

    Happy trails.
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    The reason you get little interaction is you come across as a passive aggressive, humourless, arrogant arsehole who is only interested in what you yourself have to say... Most of the regulars here are short of patience and I guess can't be bothered with you. Sadly posters like you are all to common, thankfully they have short forum lifetime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
    They also wear makeup disguised as women. Rogue actors in rouge!?

    Comments on typos indicate a lack of knowledge of the subject matter, an apparent problem in most forums. Intellectuals would never bother with such trivial aspects.

    But the two of you made some great contributions to this thread. No doubt all appreciate such enormous insight into nuclear weapon security.

    Will make sure we all read your sagely advice in the future.

    Or not.....

    (On the plus side, you two have no reason to fear losing reputations for brilliant replies!)
    No they just indicate a sense of humour and, sometimes, a lack of patience with self-importance.

    "Sagely advice" is not English, by the way.

    As for reputations, they derive from the posts made over a fair number of years on this forum. You have been around, what, a month, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    The reason you get little interaction is you come across as a passive aggressive, humourless, arrogant arsehole who is only interested in what you yourself have to say... Most of the regulars here are short of patience and I guess can't be bothered with you. Sadly posters like you are all to common, thankfully they have short forum lifetime...
    Just to be sure, it is my delight to note that getting such attention is the ultimate form of flattery, regardless of the content of the attack. Absence of substance results in an absence of responses!

    When one is being buried with inaccurate interpretations of voluminous data, and pushing ill-conceived logic streams (e.g. "prove that I am wrong" when they haven't proven themselves right, etc.), there is an inherent drive to push back against a tsunami of such nonsense. But being called an arsehole (by any spelling) is a truly unique "title". Did you come up with that all on your own? Will have to start using it myself on others. Perhaps it might become popular?!

    Arrogance is often attributed to those of superior intellect, thank you very much. In this regard, Newton was the all-time, grand-champion, hall-of-famer! Such an association should be noted by all.

    So it follows, arrogance is often applied to those who merely present the facts and their appropriate interpretation(s). The worst thing for one in science is being wrong, and demonstrating such wonderful arrogance (i.e. intelligence) can bring out the crying towel for those on the receiving end, directly or otherwise. If people like me are arrogant arseholes, it is an honor to be so defined.

    This also means I know a lot of brilliant, arrogant arseholes, 100s of them, and nearly all of them with Ph.D.s. Sadly, there are very few in these forums, though some masquerade as such. Most sites are taken over by scientist-wannabes with nothing to add but criticism and hair-brained notions. Case in point : "splitting hairs" through countless species for 100 million years, yet never becoming feathers"?! You gotta be kidding me! That is anti-science.

    And then I was told that liquid hydrogen cannot be shipped by ocean-going tankers, only to find by my own search that the Japanese are already doing it. Such comments do not provide a great deal of confidence in the source. Perhaps they are insufficiently arrogant? Such people abound on these forums. As noted, better to be right and arrogant vs. wrong and looking foolish. Somebody here needs to brush up on their arrogance!

    The absence of knowledgeable posters on most forum sites is the biggest issue. Happily, my posts have been well received by many on other sites. Came across this one, and thought I would give it a go. Once the "ignored list" is appropriately populated (as usual), significant debates might ensue. Time will tell.

    But, as Vonnegut might say, "You can't win them all". (From Breakfast of Champions - a totally appropriate title for all arrogant arseholes!!)

    (Amazing how a misspelled word can result in such a wonderful opportunity!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
    As noted, better to be right and arrogant vs. wrong and looking foolish. Somebody here needs to brush up on their arrogance!

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
    But, as Vonnegut might say, "You can't win them all". (From Breakfast of Champions - a totally appropriate title for all arrogant arseholes!!)

    (Amazing how a misspelled word can result in such a wonderful opportunity!)
    arsehole

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    nounVULGAR SLANG•BRITISH





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      a person's anus.






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      a stupid, irritating, or contemptible person.
      "he's a total arsehole"








    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arsehole

    What was that about looking foolish and being wrong? I'm amazed that for such a "smart" person you didn't take the fifteen seconds to google whether or not a word was misspelled or just one you weren't familiar with. But I guess that's just your MO (that stands for Modus Operandi, which means a particular way a person does things) to declare yourself smarter than everyone else without actually looking to see if you were right first.
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    Yep his response just proved my point completely. I'm done with him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Yep his response just proved my point completely. I'm done with him...

    Your first and only response directed to me was to call me names, doubtless the highest form of intellectual expression.

    And I gladly accepted your designation. Now you are 'done with me'? There is no satisfying some people.

    It is truly sad that such a long and fruitful relationship should end in such a fashion.

    To steal a Hemingway phrase : You simply didn't measure up.

    Nothing lost but the unwarranted and abusive commentary. Little wonder you did not measure up. Must have been the demon in you, hard at work!
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