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    hello

    , im new here, and i have a few questions to ask of you









    well, i guess the first would be:

    do you think the U.S. military power is worse/just as good/or better then what they advertise on the media.


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    Quote Originally Posted by olamic
    hello

    , im new here, and i have a few questions to ask of you

    well, i guess the first would be:

    do you think the U.S. military power is worse/just as good/or better then what they advertise on the media.
    The U.S. military is enormously better than what you think is being advertised. There are things that are kept secret like the location of our nuclear submarines. Our technology is the best in the world.

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    wow that seems like a very giant and biased claim, care to prove it or back it up? or explain why America has the largest 'friendly fire' percentage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    Our technology is the best in the world.
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    Yeah, like the 'stealth' Bomber which the brits actually have developed a radar system that can detect - and is now used by the US to track it's own planes, but they won't tell you about that...... - boy were they mad when they first found out.....

    You have no weapons that at least the Brits no not have counter-measures for, and I'll wager a few other countries are very close..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    Quote Originally Posted by olamic
    hello

    , im new here, and i have a few questions to ask of you

    well, i guess the first would be:

    do you think the U.S. military power is worse/just as good/or better then what they advertise on the media.
    The U.S. military is enormously better than what you think is being advertised. There are things that are kept secret like the location of our nuclear submarines. Our technology is the best in the world.

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    Pfft.

    Yeah right !!

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    Well I'm not exactly touring any bases in the U.S. or elsewhere but I certainly know that the U.S. spends astoundingly more than any other country.
    From Wiki:

    U.S. - 522 billion in 2002
    U.K. - 38.4 billion
    France - 29.5
    Germany - 24.9

    and so on...

    Now I'm sorry but it seems naive to think that the U.K. spent that much less but is even in the same league as the U.S. in terms of military strength.
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    Nobody says we have the same strength, but the funding here is very different for military technology. The technology is as good, the technology is shared. But some of the US stuff is crap, patriot missiles are now known to have shot down zero scuds! in 1964 the UK had a plane which even today would give your latest fighters a good run for their money (TSR2) but the UK govt was forced by the US to drop it or lose aid (they thoght we had a near commie govt at the time) The harrier jump jet was widely adopted by the US. There are countless examples, you are not superior in every sense. Even in the atomic field this was European until Einstein and co fled Germany and took secrets with them, RADAR was a purely UK invention but during the war we lacked the facilities to mass produce. Yes you guys do have technologuy, and you do make advances, but don't think for one moment that you are superior to anybody, especially when your own government lies to you about even a backward middleeastern country having WMD...

    This thread is not about strength, if it were then the US is certianly somewhere in the top ten, it's about the hype around the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Nobody says we have the same strength, but the funding here is very different for military technology. The technology is as good, the technology is shared. But some of the US stuff is crap, patriot missiles are now known to have shot down zero scuds! in 1964 the UK had a plane which even today would give your latest fighters a good run for their money (TSR2) but the UK govt was forced by the US to drop it or lose aid (they thoght we had a near commie govt at the time) The harrier jump jet was widely adopted by the US. There are countless examples, you are not superior in every sense. Even in the atomic field this was European until Einstein and co fled Germany and took secrets with them, RADAR was a purely UK invention but during the war we lacked the facilities to mass produce. Yes you guys do have technologuy, and you do make advances, but don't think for one moment that you are superior to anybody, especially when your own government lies to you about even a backward middleeastern country having WMD...

    This thread is not about strength, if it were then the US is certianly somewhere in the top ten, it's about the hype around the military.
    Umm.. You make it sound like America is at war with the UK.

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    The American Army may be the biggest in the world, but it certainly is not the best in the world. We are !! - And we have proven it time and time again throughout history !!
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Leo, if you were in the army (which I think you once indicated you were), how does the real army shape up to the image given by the media?
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    Before I can answer your question I need to know what image you are speaking of ?
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Well read the 'kin papers then!!!
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    nice us of the apostraphy and a northern accent
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    It's 'pickin' and well you know it! :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    Well read the 'kin papers then!!!
    The papers say many different things, thats the point. So what exaclty are you refering to ?
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    SO which of the many things you read are true? - how generally does the army match up to the picture portrayed by the press?
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    I still dont understand what you are getting at, but I knowing a few of the articles that the press have reported, I will tak about a couple of them....

    1) Deepcut (we all know what happened there) In a situation of war we must obey our commanding officers or NCO's to the letter. If we dont this could have serious consequences in the outcome of a battle / war. So the army is a highly structed and disciplined environment, and is not for everybody, especially not for some of the namby-pambies that society is producing today. Needless to say, what could be construed as bullying, is merely army discipline. However as some officers/nco's are in a position of power or trust, they may at times mis-use this power. I have not witnessed anything like that happen during my short spell in the Army, but im not saying that it doesnt happen, the likely hood is that it probably does.

    2) Mistreatment of POW's. As above, all it would take is one twisted senior NCO, or a group of individuals and yes, POW's may get urinated on/kicked/beaen up/ humiliated etc. BUT do remember that this kind of thing went on during the world wars too, and infact during every single war that man has ever embarked. We are now living in the information age where information is readily available almost instantanously. During the world wars, Britain was suffering and feeling the strain of war. So if POW's were mis-treated, a silent smile may have occured on the lips of the British populus. These times however, with Afghanistan and Iraq; yes we are at war but people back here are not feeling much of a strain, so they would have no need to feel any hatred for the odd arab which gets beaten or humiliated by coalition forces. Try and remember however that out there, its a whole different ball game. If you had just seen a couple of your best mates shot and killed by someone, then you capture that person, would you be humane to them ?? If you look deep enough you will find out, no you wouldn't. When you are in an army unit, every minute of every day is spent with your mates, you live with them, eat with them and work with them, and ultimately fight with them; and should the need arise, fight FOR them. I am not conding the humiliation of POW's but it happens, they would do the same to us, still doent make it right. But then again, war always brings the best and the worst out of everyone.

    Hope that helped ?
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    I think Megabrain was just asking at the start of this was was your experiance in the army anything like what the media portrays it to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    I think Megabrain was just asking at the start of this was was your experiance in the army anything like what the media portrays it to be
    No.
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