Thread: Guns

All types, all uses. Go (I know this topic is self-propelled)

M14

Self propelled guns, automatic self propelled guns. Random, automatic, self propelled, guns.
Guns guns and more guns.
Some 22 year old kid shot a cop in a Brampton courthouse today and the cops shot him.
Nobody knows why and it seems nobody much cares, except maybe the ones who got shot and their relatives.

Guns guns guns.
Random. Selfpropelled. Automatic.
Set to go off at any moment.


Brampton courthouse shooting: Officer wounded, suspect dead - Toronto - CBC News

Glue Gun

Semi-automatic.
re-coiling
Repeating
Muskets
machine guns (as opposed to organic)
Saturday-night specials
Howitzers/88's
toy guns

Guns don't kill people:
It's those pesky little bullets that leave holes out of which the blood flows.

"Hey Joe"

[1st verse (Oo - backing vocals on each line)]
Hey Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Hey Joe, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Alright. I'm goin down to shoot my old lady,
you know I caught her messin' 'round with another man.
Yeah,! I'm goin' down to shoot my old lady,
you know I caught her messin' 'round with another man.
Huh! And that ain't too cool.

+Hendrix

Dan, that's just a fuckin' great song ! Hendrix was something " ain't goin' hang this nigger, they ain't gonna' put a rope around me..."

No disrespect intended by the n word use. historical

More to the point, the 2nd Amendment. How do you interpret it ?

Originally Posted by umbradiago

More to the point, the 2nd Amendment. How do you interpret it ?

The secondary clause about militia notwithstanding, "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" seems pretty straightforward. In my view every existing gun control law in the United States violates the constitution.

Which is not to say I have a big problem with the concept of gun control. I live in the rural south, and the thoughtless way some of my neighbors (heck, family members) handle firearms is at times downright terrifying. But good idea or not, gun control IS a violation of the constitution. The gun control lobby should have STARTED with pressing for an amendment to modify the second amendment. Now we have a situation where the courts have basically said we can ignore a provision of the constitution when we feel like it, which weakens the whole thing.

The secondary clause you referred to was is actually primary, coming first in the text.

Originally Posted by danhanegan

Originally Posted by umbradiago

More to the point, the 2nd Amendment. How do you interpret it ?

The secondary clause about militia notwithstanding, "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" seems pretty straightforward. In my view every existing gun control law in the United States violates the constitution.

Which is not to say I have a big problem with the concept of gun control. I live in the rural south, and the thoughtless way some of my neighbors (heck, family members) handle firearms is at times downright terrifying. But good idea or not, gun control IS a violation of the constitution. The gun control lobby should have STARTED with pressing for an amendment to modify the second amendment. Now we have a situation where the courts have basically said we can ignore a provision of the constitution when we feel like it, which weakens the whole thing.

The worlds largest handgun.....

The most powerful handgun in the world - YouTube

In the interest of full disclosure, I neither own any firearms nor do I support them being carried in public places and I take issue with America's disturbing fascination with such things. That having been said, I love target shooting and I've always wanted to fire one of these:



It's one of the few ARs I haven't had the opportunity to handle, but I think it would be fantastic to try out.

Originally Posted by umbradiago

More to the point, the 2nd Amendment. How do you interpret it ?

It's the product of a different era. It is not infallible as many like to treat it and I think it needs to be more closely examined.

I've never liked the automatic weapons and only in training set the m14 to anything automatic. If you take the time to aim carefully, and have the discipline to control your breathing and heart rate, one shot is all that's needed, and comes with a certain satisfaction of knowing that you have mastered the use of the tool.
My current favorite is the winchester model 70.

as/re the constitution, Lynx once pointed out that article IX may be the most appropriate for freedoms----------

Without our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms we are all potential victims of tyranny.

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Is the guy in post #13 compensating for something else that is abnormally small?

Originally Posted by sculptor

Without our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms we are all potential victims of tyranny.

Not sure if this is in regard to my comment, but I don't think anyone suggested removing constitutional freedoms. We merely need to make sure they define ideals appropriate to our time.

Another type of weapon I've never used it an old lever action. I've always wanted to fire an old turn-off-the-century lever action.

Flick:
I think it best that we don't tinker with the bill of rights.

One mans "improvement" may not work well for all.

Originally Posted by sculptor

Flick:
I think it best that we don't tinker with the bill of rights.

I disagree.

Tradition is highly overrated. That which does not change is destined to fail.

I'm of the same opinion, Flick. The only thing I ever shot was a "No Hunting" sign. But that's me. Guns are fascinating. So is war. I hate both.

The 2nd Amend. is archaic; it must be amended to reflect this fact. And it will, it will.

Join the Army,Flick, shoot al kinds of arms

Air gun to shoot paint balls

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Originally Posted by umbradiago

More to the point, the 2nd Amendment. How do you interpret it ?

It's the product of a different era. It is not infallible as many like to treat it and I think it needs to be more closely examined.

The people of America have a duty to change it, if it really has run out its usefulness.

Not ignore it. Change it. Lots of Amendments have been made over the years, including some interesting (and much needed) revisions to who is and is not a citizen, and who can and cannot vote, and other things like that.

There is no reason for us to still have this amendment on the books if it isn't the will of the people to obey it.

Originally Posted by Flick Montana

Originally Posted by sculptor

Flick:
I think it best that we don't tinker with the bill of rights.

I disagree.

Tradition is highly overrated. That which does not change is destined to fail.

Definitely agree.

And anyway, there already is an established tradition in place of changing the constitution when the people decide something needs to be changed.

So change is the tradition.

In the future will be a cannon - a railgun.

A German company has brought us one step closer to the kinds of shootouts only seen in Sci-Fi films. Düsseldorf-based Rheinmetall Defense recently tested a 50kW, high-energy laser at their proving ground facility in Switzerland. According to the company, the laser passed the test with “flying colours.”

The system isn’t actually a single laser but two laser modules mounted onto Revolver Gun air defense turrets made by Oerlikon and attached to additional power modules. The laser modules are 30 kW and 20 kW, but a Beam Superimposing Technology (BST) combines two lasers to focus in a “superimposed, cumulative manner” that wreaks havoc on its targets.

First, the system sliced through a 15mm- (~0.6 inches) thick steel girder from a kilometer away. Then, from a distance of two kilometers, it shot down a handful of drones as they nose-dived toward the surface at 50 meters per second. The laser’s radar, a widely used system called Skyguard, was capable of tracking the drones through their descent up to three kilometers away.

Reference Title 10,U S Code, the militia is composed of all male citizens between the ages of 17 and 45.