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    There is a lot of information on the internet regarding mind control or rather mond control techniques being used on people (apparently used by military).

    Does anyone on here know if there is such a thing going on?

    Have you heard of tavistock institute of human relations?

    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
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    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?
    I think it is wrong but, it still happens.

    Like I said before some might agree and some might not.

    Swings and roundabouts.

    Hery, Puma man,
    seeing as you have such a vast array of knowledge, why not answer some of my other points in this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
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    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?
    I think it is wrong but, it still happens.
    Can you cite a modern example?
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    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?
    I think it is wrong but, it still happens.
    Can you cite a modern example?

    Yes, go back and read the thread about hitting women!
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    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?
    I think it is wrong but, it still happens.
    Can you cite a modern example?

    Yes, go back and read the thread about hitting women!
    That's an experiment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
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    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?
    I think it is wrong but, it still happens.
    Can you cite a modern example?

    Yes, go back and read the thread about hitting women!
    That's an experiment?

    How we think can depend on many factors, for example, what we are told is ok or what we beleive is ok. Mind control can be about having an impression on how people think ,act etc... beliefs.

    One prime example would be religion!
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    Please clarify your question. You asked about mind control experiments, but none of your examples have been experiments. So what do you actually want to discuss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Please clarify your question. You asked about mind control experiments, but none of your examples have been experiments. So what do you actually want to discuss?
    This is a big problem with her threads. You never know what or why she's asking. And there always seems to be some hidden agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Have you heard of tavistock institute of human relations?
    Tavistock Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Home | The Tavistock Institute

    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Of course not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
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    Please clarify your question. You asked about mind control experiments, but none of your examples have been experiments. So what do you actually want to discuss?
    This is a big problem with her threads. You never know what or why she's asking. And there always seems to be some hidden agenda.
    Making accusations can get people in to trouble.

    Be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Please clarify your question. You asked about mind control experiments, but none of your examples have been experiments. So what do you actually want to discuss?
    I think I made my questions quite clear John.

    Please highlight which part of the questions you don't understand and we can go from there.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Does anyone on here know if there is such a thing going on?
    Are there attempts to get people to think a certain way? Yes. This branch of study is called variously "advertising" "public relations" "spin doctoring" "propaganda" "education" "training" etc.

    Are there attempts to change pathological ways of thinking? Yes. These are called things like "correctional institutions" "psychoanalysis" "intervention" etc.

    Are there people using radio waves to control your mind? No.

    Have you heard of tavistock institute of human relations?
    Yes.

    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    In general no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    There is a lot of information on the internet regarding mind control or rather mond control techniques being used on people (apparently used by military).
    Mind control. No. Conditioning so Soldiers don't pee themselves and forget their jobs at the first sign of gun fire or hearing the pitch of an inbound Katyusha rocket--absolutely.
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    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?
    Another question that doesn't need to be asked. What do you think is the answer?
    I think it is wrong but, it still happens.
    Can you cite a modern example?

    Yes, go back and read the thread about hitting women!
    That's an experiment?

    How we think can depend on many factors, for example, what we are told is ok or what we beleive is ok. Mind control can be about having an impression on how people think ,act etc... beliefs.

    One prime example would be religion!
    If you define "mind control" that loosely, then it becomes nigh impossible to interact with, nor carry on any kind of discussion with another human being without accidentally attempting to control their mind.

    I might be guilty of it right now, just because I responded to your post.
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    This makes you want pot!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    Please highlight which part of the questions you don't understand and we can go from there.
    I repeat what I already said. Your opening post asks "Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?"

    The tenor of the other questions in your opening post reflect that interest in/concern about mind control experiments conducted on people. (That seems to me to be a worthwhile subject to discuss.)

    However, you then provide a couple of examples that concern you:

    • Violence against women. ("Yes, go back and read the thread about hitting women!" )
    • Religion. ("One prime example would be religion!")

    Now, both of these are worthy topics to discuss, but neither of them has anything to do with mind control experiments.

    So, I ask you again to clarify what is it you wish to discuss, so that other members can stand a better chance of staying on the topic you want to be at the forefront of this thread.

    I think I made my questions quite clear John
    Here is the thing Hannah, you don't get to decide whether you were clear or not. You are the writer. The reader gets to decide about the clarity of writing.

    For example, I intended to write a very clear request to you, but I failed. You needed to ask for clarification. I hope I have provided that successfully. Now, I simply ask that you do the same.

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    This makes you want pot!!!
    It makes me want dark glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    There is a lot of information on the internet regarding mind control or rather mond control techniques being used on people (apparently used by military).
    What kind of information on the internet? What is the claim? One could argue that advertising is a form of mind control, but since people subject themselves to it voluntarily, and there's no penalty for ignoring it, no one objects. Anything that's persuasive could be called somewhat controlling. But as long as you don't cross the body boundary (like, say, putting mind altering substances in someones food,) it's not likely to cause much of a fuss.
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    The Government and corporations are already controlling your mind through their system. The scariest kind of mind control is being unaware that you are being controlled.
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    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just another paranoid tin foil hat wearer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just another paranoid tin foil hat wearer?
    Well, there are all those FUD techniques.
    I guess they could be considered to be mind-control, of a sort.

    I would have to know what theinfiniteace means by "their system" to know if that is what he was referring to.
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    True, but from the words used in his post (their system ) I'm guessing he has a house (and wardrobe) full of bacofoil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just another paranoid tin foil hat wearer?
    Wearing a tin foil hat is absolutley the worst idea. The concave shape and the continuous metal sheet will tend to act more like a satellite dish, focusing all those mind control beams right into your brain. You best bet is actually something more like a faraday cage. So, if you want to stop the government mind control beams, wear a bird cage on your head....
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    Sshh, I'm spreading misinformation on behalf of "the system"... :P
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    1. Tell them that tinfoil hats are ineffective.
    2. Tell them to substitute for bird cages.
    3. Sell birdcages at flea markets/boot sales on the weekends.
    4. ???
    5. Profit.

    We could be rich, my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsus View Post
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    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just another paranoid tin foil hat wearer?
    Wearing a tin foil hat is absolutley the worst idea. The concave shape and the continuous metal sheet will tend to act more like a satellite dish, focusing all those mind control beams right into your brain. You best bet is actually something more like a faraday cage. So, if you want to stop the government mind control beams, wear a bird cage on your head....
    Should I take the birds out first? Or will their thoughts of seeds and preening mix with mine, resulting in an inscrutable mass of thoughts too complex for even Turing himself to decipher?
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    @Karsus, no thanks, I already have shares in BacofoilTM
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just another paranoid tin foil hat wearer?
    Wearing a tin foil hat is absolutley the worst idea. The concave shape and the continuous metal sheet will tend to act more like a satellite dish, focusing all those mind control beams right into your brain. You best bet is actually something more like a faraday cage. So, if you want to stop the government mind control beams, wear a bird cage on your head....
    Should I take the birds out first? Or will their thoughts of seeds and preening mix with mine, resulting in an inscrutable mass of thoughts too complex for even Turing himself to decipher?
    Ahahaha. Leave the birds in. That makes it 10 times better. I want to see this happen.
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    The evidence is all around you, even though you may have to do some "deep digging and research." Ask yourself this, do you prefer a comfortable lie, or an unpleasant truth?
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    If the evidence is "all around" you should be able to do some "deep digging and research" and present some and stop wasting our time, otherwise you have nothing, just more paranoid ramblings :shrug:
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    Check out theinfiniteace's avatar. Could that be the inside view of a birdcage? Camera by the chin, angled up... Am I on to something?
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    Read closely; I am not here to tell you things I've found out. You have to come up with your own conclusions based on your own research. But why would you bother to do any research anyways? It's up to you to change your path by making your own conscious decision to change. If you don't want to, then so be it. The thing is, already based on what I said in my first two sentences, you had already formed your own conclusion about what I was like, "another paranoid tin foil hat wearer, with no evidence." Everything I said from that point on, will automatically (in your mind) look like a "paranoid rambling." It looks like we are all wasting our time. So good luck to your research, whether you decide to do it or not. Peace.
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    Still no evidence, still just a waste of time :shrug: if you are not here to share the results of your "research" (I'm guessing reading crank websites and watching yootoob) why bother posting? Why are you so reluctant to support your claim? Are you afraid we'll laugh and expose your delusions?
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    It looks like you haven't actually read a single word I've typed since the beginning. You are not wasting your own time anymore, you are now just wasting mine. So this is my exit point as I will no longer be replying. Peace, for good.
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    Unfortunately I did read your posts, there was no meaningful content just claims you are unwilling or unable to support. As such I'm glad you will make no further reply. Could I also request you make no further posts anywhere unless you can support what you say otherwise you will just be yet another tedious poster who is a complete waste of space.
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    Unfortunately I did read your posts, there was no meaningful content just claims you are unwilling or unable to support.
    Are you questioning the existence of our lizard overlords???
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    It's OK, I know this guy:

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    and have taken out Lizard Insurance...
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    If we're going to move in the tinfoil hat direction, then probably someone somewhere has at least once, gotten the idea to try messing around with radio waves to affect behavior. The first problem would be #1 finding a radio frequency that the human brain can actually detect, consciously or subconsciously. (Preferably subconsciously - or else the recipient would know they were being manipulated.) The second problem, after that, would be #2 figuring out a way to modulate the signal so that the human brain actually receives the message you want, instead of some random message.

    Even if #1 were achieved, I think #2 would be unlikely. And even if #2 were achieved, the fact you're communicating with the subconscious mind would impose limitations similar to those which are encountered by hypnosis. You can't make a person act against their own fundamental nature.

    Most likely, if radio waves are capable of affecting the human brain in any way at all, probably it's limited to just making them feel unnaturally upset. It might be possible to drive a person insane. But it's not like you're going to reduce them to a human puppet dangling from strings, and make them dance for you.





    Anyway, on that note, you might be amazed to see some of the ridiculous things the military psy ops have tried experimenting with.

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    But until you can show an objective, reproducible effect that needs to be explained, and then use the nature of the objective, reproducible effect to carry out experiments to probe the properties and mechanism of any proposed "unknown" interaction it can be simply dismissed as woo...
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    The only question is whether the human brain is capable of interacting with any frequency on the radio spectrum, and if so, which frequency? And what pattern of signal would it react to?

    If it is possible to get the brain to react to radio waves, then probably someone has tried it. Not necessarily "the government" either. More likely a private company or group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    Brain decoding: Reading minds
    By scanning blobs of brain activity, scientists may be able to decode people's thoughts, their dreams and even their intentions.


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    I think such projects are going to turn out like anti-spying test on the Pentagon. They'd set up monitoring equipment to pick up RF outside the complex. One tester commented that they'd picked up more leaks there than any other place they'd tested--in fact the problem was there were so many it was essentially white noise from which no useful information could be obtained.

    Someone might pickup I'm thinking about sex, but there's simply be too much noise to figure out I'm remembering a buxom brunet and I on a moonlit beach some 30 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah40 View Post
    There is a lot of information on the internet regarding mind control or rather mond control techniques being used on people (apparently used by military).

    Does anyone on here know if there is such a thing going on?

    Have you heard of tavistock institute of human relations?

    Is it ok to experiment on people without their consent?

    Sometimes it is necessary to use mind control techniques when gathering information. The military uses techniques such as water boarding, sleep deprivation and noise to get a number of answers from the same individual to compare within that individuals other answers and those of others.
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