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  1. #1 Challenging the Taliban to Sword Duels II 
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    How do you win hearts and minds against a culture that values martial prowess over all else?

    Maybe meet them man to man, and give them the chance to demonstrate that prowess and see your own side's prowess?

    The outcome of a battle with guns, tanks, and artillery doesn't necessarily tell who was the better warrior. It may only show who was better equipped. We can't win their respect by blowing them up with aerial raids and tank runs.

    I'm thinking if we let their men face our men in a fair arena, where the winner is whoever can out fence the other, then win or lose we'll earn their respect. And we'll be letting them win ours. (I'm sure one of their greatest fears is to be ruled by a foreign culture that doesn't respect them.) It may not be "right" from our perspective, because it glorifies brutality and combat as a cultural value, but I think it would hasten their eventual surrender.

    It removes what is perhaps one of their primary motives for combat. It makes them not appear weak if/when they concede. It gives them a way to be remembered as having stood up for their values, even if they ultimately have to give up on their war.

    More importantly: if the people begin to look at the representatives who fight on their behalf in the arena with greater respect than those who fight in the open battle field, then the arena will become the focus of their attention. Victories there could come to mean more to them than victories in the hills (especially since the USA wins more in the hills than we likely would in the arena.) Warriors looking to become leaders would choose that path rather than the other.

    If so, then the winners could enter into dialogue with us. Americans would recognize that the participants in the arena are clearly not terrorists (since they obeyed the rules and went through proper channels to gain our attention.) The winners would articulate their peoples' concerns, and ask for concessions from us, and when we asked for concessions in return they might be able to make them without appearing disloyal to their own country. Maybe we could actually negotiate a fair and lasting peace?


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    But they, the Teliban, do not play fair and they never will. They are not trying to appease people but rule over them using fear and intimadation as their tools. The only way to rid the world of them is to destroy them through any means possible, even using their own ways if need be to show that you are not going to be bullied into submission by anyone. There'a a handfull of Teliban but millions of citizens, all those citizens need do is get themselves organized and , with millions of them, they can overthrough the Teliban very easily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    But they, the Teliban, do not play fair and they never will. They are not trying to appease people but rule over them using fear and intimadation as their tools. The only way to rid the world of them is to destroy them through any means possible, even using their own ways if need be to show that you are not going to be bullied into submission by anyone. There'a a handfull of Teliban but millions of citizens, all those citizens need do is get themselves organized and , with millions of them, they can overthrough the Teliban very easily.
    Western right wing whack job media rather than objectivity and a sense of history are clouding your impressions. The Taliban got into power, in large part, on a wave of popularity and with a sense of relief because it had simple, consistent rules that dovetailed with Islam, and brought relative peace and order out of post-war chaos. Unfortunately, many in Afghan, still see them as a stabilizing force. (see Afghanistan Taliban's Popularity In Helmand Grows Despite U.S. Military Efforts). Point being the people recognize there are worse things.

    The never fighting fair comment made me chuckle--like that's a goal of war--or something the US values ever....NOT!
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    The never fighting fair comment made me chuckle--like that's a goal of war--or something the US values ever....NOT!
    Never said they did.
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    You'd be halfway into the first bout of sword fighting, when suddenly an I.E.D took the other fighter out.
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    I'd prefer to do it Japanese movie style with giant robots, far more entertaining, heck you could even make it a pay per view event.
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    To tell the truth, what I'm the most worried about is that maybe they'd have better sword fighters and wed'd get our a$$es kicked.Still maybe they'd at least respect our swords fighters for showing up and facing their deaths honorably.
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    They do not fight with swords there, they use automatic machine guns and hand granades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    They do not fight with swords there, they use automatic machine guns and hand granades.
    Their most dangerous weapons are tea houses--American failure to recognize that is one of our biggest problems. We think force on force, while they think force on soft targets and convincing and cooperation through talking, negotiating, bartering and other ways to convince the population to their side house by house and village by village.
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    The Taliban got into power, in large part, on a wave of popularity and with a sense of relief because it had simple, consistent rules that dovetailed with Islam, and brought relative peace and order out of post-war chaos. Unfortunately, many in Afghan, still see them as a stabilizing force
    Then systematically started beheading those who did not follow their new rules, not allow women to attend schools, closed many schools, made villages pay them in goods and services for their "security" that onlt supressed the villagers...yes, nice people that brought "relief".
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