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  1. #1 Unmanned Humvees 
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    Suppose the military built a cheap, knock off version of a humvee that can driven around by remote control with no soldiers inside, and just sends these humvees driving around the countryside at night with their headlights on, so everyone in the whole valley can see where they are.

    Do you think a number of terrorists would be gullible enough to attack them and give away their position?

    How practical would it be to have airborne troops near the area, ready to spring into action and apprehend them after they do so? Or maybe troops in a real humvee (or humvees) following from a mile or so behind the fake? Or a flying drone equipped with night vision of some kind to watch them and see where they go after the attack?


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    How cheap are you talking? Even if it is as cheap as a used car at home I still don't think it would be worth it. You'd lose 10000 dollars every time you used it effectively.


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    Good point. Even if they were just used cars from the USA, there is the matter of transport costs, which are considerable. Afghanistan, being a land locked country and all.

    Maybe we could buy some cheap Chinese automobiles?
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    That could work. You have the exchange rate, proximity and cost going for you then. It still depends on how cheap you could get them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Do you think a number of terrorists would be gullible enough to attack them and give away their position?
    No. Why would it be any different than the ways humvees are attacked today with people in them? Usually they are stealthy and have IEDs in the road. Not sure why you think they'd come out yelling like a bunch of crazy people all of a sudden just because we start driving them around by remote control. The premise is really flawed, as you assume they'll run out (which is something they don't even do today).
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    Even when you are attacked they are very hard to find. The day my truck was hit, for example, we were just passing under a bridge our gunners observed about 20 people running away in different directions. Unable to identify the one who's been holding the hand held trigger only seconds before among the dozen or so pedestrians running away from the explosion (a natural response). It was either mow down them all down with our machine guns, or let him get away. He got away. Fortunately the IED had just missed and did only cosmetic damage to our vehicle. We continued mission. Even if you are completely ready, with help only a few minute away (I had 2 fighters overhead in seconds after our situation report and ground forces a couple minutes later) it's often hard to find who laid or acted as trigger man. A team took collected evidence which we all hoped they'd be able to link to other intelligence to take down the network.

    Unmanned vehicles are pretty close to a reality. I think the first applications will be on supply trucks.
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    i agree with lynx. the only type of decoy that an unmanned humvee would be effective as would be to deploy with actual humvees so that terrorists targeted the wrong humvee with an IED attack. you'll still have a hell of a time finding the guy who tried to blow you up but it could well save a lot of american lives. the fortunate thing about this is that it could serve in the supply truck function as well as functioning as a decoy.
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    I'm thinking of this documentary I watched a while ago, called "Inside the Green Beret"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8VjH4iF3Q0

    These Green Berets in Afghanistan are going through a known ambush zone at night, and one of the idiot Afghan reserves with them decides to turn on his headlights so the enemy could know where they were. So, they get IED attacked, and some of the soldiers die.

    Anyway, I'm thinking, what if we sent unmanned cars out in front into situations like that, to take the first hit? I guess it's a specialized situation. It would never work inside of a city, because of the reasons Lynx mentioned. But, would it be useful out in the countryside at night? Also, what if we regularly sent them through these zones, so the enemy never knew if it was a real convoy or a trap?
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    The terrorists wouldn't detonate the IED to blow up a remote control car. You'd have to make an full scale model to trick them, and then there would be the same cost problem as before.

    Also, terrorist are very adaptable, they'd probably start burying multiple IEDs and detonating them in sequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    The terrorists wouldn't detonate the IED to blow up a remote control car. You'd have to make an full scale model to trick them, and then there would be the same cost problem as before.
    Kojax is already asking about a full scale model. That doesn't, however, make the idea he's presented any more tenable or the premise less flawed.
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    oh. When I think of a remote control car I think of the toy I used to have. oops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    ...we were just passing under a bridge our gunners observed about 20 people running away in different directions. Unable to identify the one who's been holding the hand held trigger only seconds before ...
    "If they run, they're VC. If they don't run, they're well-disciplined VC!"

    Sorry. That quote just popped in my head and couldn't resist. I in no way condone the [insert whatever you thought here].
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    kojax, your talents are being wasted- you should apply for a pentagon position
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinWalker
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox
    ...we were just passing under a bridge our gunners observed about 20 people running away in different directions. Unable to identify the one who's been holding the hand held trigger only seconds before ...
    "If they run, they're VC. If they don't run, they're well-disciplined VC!"

    Sorry. That quote just popped in my head and couldn't resist. I in no way condone the [insert whatever you thought here].
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    I vote we send kojax ahead in 59 Buick
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    My thinking is that, if you're out in the countryside away from civilization, and an IED goes off, that tells you the guy who did it is still in the area. If you do an aerial sweep of the area, and find someone, you can be pretty sure the person you found is really a terrorist and not some goat herder. It might be possible to take him alive, and maybe get some intel or something. So maybe we could start sending patrols into areas that are known to be popular ambush sites, and use remote drones so when the first bomb goes off it doesn't actually inflict any casualties on us. The whole goal of it is just to find terrorists and capture them. The whole convoy is just there to tempt them.

    In populated areas, this idea is totally useless of course. Also it's not meant as a safeguard. It's meant as a way to go out and actively find targets.
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    My thinking is that, if you're out in the countryside away from civilization, and an IED goes off, that tells you the guy who did it is still in the area. If you do an aerial sweep of the area, and find someone, you can be pretty sure the person you found is really a terrorist and not some goat herder
    You're assuming the IED is command detonated. Many aren't. Trip wires, pressure plates, IR laser triggers and combinations such as an observer watching a convoy pass then using a cell phone to turn on an IED device miles away down the road. Remote places are ideal places to use some of these techniques. At risk of dragging your point off course, a military patrol is a legitimate military target--those attacking should be considered insurgents but not necessarily terrorist. Yes coverage by ground and air over likely ambush sites is a good idea--the more eyes the better.
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    KOJAX, have a nightcap and hit it in the morning. you do have a job?
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    Im thinking Kojax is an enthusiastic young man. perhaps too young to have a job yet. The premise ignores the idea that the insurgents are looking to cause damage to REAL human targets. they would soon learn that the RC is merely an indication that ACTUAL troops are within range to use the RC and then look for likely locations that the ACTUAL troops would use.

    Think about it. If you're walking in the woods and you come across a man made trap, don't you think "Someone's been out here trapping?" If you hunt hunters, you know eventually, they're going to come back to that trap. I might even consider booby trapping the RC car. so when it doesn't get attacked and the Troops come back to retrieve their very expensive gear, I blow them up with their own toy.
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    What if they used these to trick the enemy, create fake convoys moving through Afghanistan then enemy would track them, plant ieds on key roads in the path of the convoy.\
    then it leaves a insurgant free town for the army to fill and re structualize the civilian


    Perhaps the enemy can be lead to believe the fake convoy is of value. and the enemy sending out all there assets to terrorize, colinize the towns. in the prosses creating ammo dumps, weapon cachs, vehicles, training. then u can have a counter convoy going back to the us army colinized town. the convoy will be even more valued to the enemy. they will move precious supplys and move men plant more ieds. leaving the newly colinised town weak and full of precious enemy assets. pick off the few enemys there then take the town and re introduce civilians. and create a strong defence. continue this method and you just rid a state of insurgants
    of course it doesnt have to be a convy but ur remote control idea started me thinking
    this idea is based on a there gurrilla oppertunistic nature
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    Wow. Combining Truck Driver and Japith's ideas : put fake targets out there for terrorists to attack, and then booby trap them. That would be awesome. Maybe have a few fake base camps set up with R/C humvees leaving them and returning. Then as a double trap, get the enemy used to the idea of fake outposts that look a certain way, and then occasionally put real troops in them.
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