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    So i've heard military,basically US military, was in possession of vast futuristic weapon inventory . Which is slowly leaking to public, some of people wont even speak of them because of importance...So why are these weapons so hiden, no one will just go there and steal'em or buy'em, and i doubt it they'll use'em. Were coming to point where war is pretty much gone, and No offence, US is leading the world ( thru unseen events and technologies ). So uses of their technology can add in space exploration for example (Since users of those need more advanced approach). Plus if anyone is from US, why are you people building such army? Again no offence, you have best equipped military, actualy you dont need troops, you have these robotic defense systems.

    So why are they still building and evolving their army, there is no match for them...?
    I would love to see any photo of this black projects, heard of many, seen none.
    Its like; US is feeding public false infomation, Russia is wraped in mystery,Chinese just test them they dont care for public, Europe dosent have much of these black projects.
    So enlighten me, whats with the mystery? Are ya planing to take over da world?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    So i've heard military,basically US military, was in possession of vast futuristic weapon inventory . Which is slowly leaking to public, some of people wont even speak of them because of importance...So why are these weapons so hiden, no one will just go there and steal'em or buy'em, and i doubt it they'll use'em. Were coming to point where war is pretty much gone, and No offence, US is leading the world ( thru unseen events and technologies ). So uses of their technology can add in space exploration for example (Since users of those need more advanced approach). Plus if anyone is from US, why are you people building such army? Again no offence, you have best equipped military, actualy you dont need troops, you have these robotic defense systems.

    So why are they still building and evolving their army, there is no match for them...?
    I would love to see any photo of this black projects, heard of many, seen none.
    Its like; US is feeding public false infomation, Russia is wraped in mystery,Chinese just test them they dont care for public, Europe dosent have much of these black projects.
    So enlighten me, whats with the mystery? Are ya planing to take over da world?
    It's a secret.


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    Secret from whom? Russia? World? Like i said noone will use it, probably noone can replicate it.
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    The most certain way to ensure defeat is excepting your premise that:

    We're coming to point where war is pretty much gone,
    I recommend you watch the news.


    Another foolish statement:
    actualy you dont need troops, you have these robotic defense systems.
    I've yet to meet a robot that can conduct tactical questioning of a market owner to find out who's smuggling weapons, tell a French Mirage pilot whether the T62 tanks he's looking at belongs to the Kadafi Army or to the Rebels, teach a rebel how to zero his rifle, escort a convoy to conduct a food drop, or decide whether that Moque with suspected enemy is a legal target or not. We are generations from "robotic defense systems."
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    I'm pretty sure that China are a match for the US in a war, except China wouldn't need to fire a single rocket/bullet as they could just pull trillions of dollars out of the US economy and watch it shrivel up and die. No money = No chance in a war.

    Anyway, I've yet to see proof of these so called "Black Projects" with "super advanced weaponry", personally, I think they're just a media-hype way for the US Government to try to strike fear into other countries, as their power is already declining.
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    Well i just saw the Phil schneider video and i just got the idea of size of this matter. So yes whole diffrent reality is happening right now, but we/they cant see it. And this is as far as i go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by x(x-y)
    I'm pretty sure that China are a match for the US in a war, except China wouldn't need to fire a single rocket/bullet as they could just pull trillions of dollars out of the US economy and watch it shrivel up and die. No money = No chance in a war.

    Anyway, I've yet to see proof of these so called "Black Projects" with "super advanced weaponry", personally, I think they're just a media-hype way for the US Government to try to strike fear into other countries, as their power is already declining.
    F-117, B-2, SR-71, reconaissance satellites

    If you had proof of on-going programs, they would not be black.
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    Cant really do that since i'm not a goverment agent Buti heard alot of sci fi talk that turn out to have some credible witness's, for example i heard pretty detailed testemony from a ex-goverment guy whos talk was about antigravity mechanics. And i must say its fully possible and it was about 30 years ago...So even black stuff leak...
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    It's not "fully possible", it's complete and total BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRocket
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    I'm pretty sure that China are a match for the US in a war, except China wouldn't need to fire a single rocket/bullet as they could just pull trillions of dollars out of the US economy and watch it shrivel up and die. No money = No chance in a war.

    Anyway, I've yet to see proof of these so called "Black Projects" with "super advanced weaponry", personally, I think they're just a media-hype way for the US Government to try to strike fear into other countries, as their power is already declining.
    F-117, B-2, SR-71, reconaissance satellites

    If you had proof of on-going programs, they would not be black.
    Well, we know these exist so they cannot really be classified as "black projects" anymore- but I see what you're saying, they could be classed as "black projects" at the time (during the cold war and later). Hmmm...
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    The US is done. It's old. It's just not quite what it used to be. It has begun its decline. China is where it's at now, I agree. Whatever the government is hiding, I doubt that it's as important as you're making it out to be... Though I do acknowledge that the superfluid centrifuge antigravity engine sounds very convincing, its physics are all in place, and it matches reports of Ufos. Intestine, but nothing is said about my opinion, so anything you take from that is implied... It's just interesting, is all I'm saying, and when you consider that the atomic testing released very specific unnatural frequencies, which would have automatically alerted any aliens with radio to intelligent life, then it gets more interesting...
    However, I do not think the US is that powerful. We are not God. We can't possibly have many more eons- advanced black technology than antigravity, if even that. So worry not.
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    Finnaly a man with hes head at hes place...About the part that US goverment is not made out of gods, but people hiding behind it ( who can do what ever he wants,literally ) they think they are. I dont know if your from US but your very smart man for obvious.

    World/humanity will get it sooner or later....
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    Thank you, but I'm 14!
    If anyone is interested in the antigravity coincidences... alienscientist @ youtube.
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    Its better to know now than later thrust me, a big showdown will happen soon and there will be lot of
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    Its better to know now than later thrust me, a big showdown will happen soon and there will be lot of
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    I actualy like the track, thanks Great piece of country music
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    I have not doubt many of top tech started at black projects other continue. Because of the war many are pushed through testing, purchased and pushed to the field. The Army saw more toys over the past five or six years than the prior 15--some work well, while others are Frankenstein hodgepodge of ideas that probably shouldn't have been fielded.
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    Finnaly an American who sees it too...So i got a question for you.
    If people from your nation would request answers from goverment, why dont you?
    I would in my country like dozen others.
    Especially if they're using my money for that...which im not part of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    Finnaly an American who sees it too...So i got a question for you.
    If people from your nation would request answers from goverment, why dont you?
    I would in my country like dozen others.
    Especially if they're using my money for that...which im not part of.
    Answers to what questions?

    I fully understand why we have black projects, many are a combination of basic research and new technology that will usually take years of engineering to make into a useful weapon system. It is definitely highly sensitive and not the kind of things you want the media or our enemies to know you are working on until they are ready for production--and even then most of the details should remain classified.

    So we trust agencies working with black projects to have appropriate oversight from military branches, select committees of congress etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox

    Another foolish statement:
    actualy you dont need troops, you have these robotic defense systems.
    I've yet to meet a robot that can conduct tactical questioning of a market owner to find out who's smuggling weapons, tell a French Mirage pilot whether the T62 tanks he's looking at belongs to the Kadafi Army or to the Rebels, teach a rebel how to zero his rifle, escort a convoy to conduct a food drop, or decide whether that Moque with suspected enemy is a legal target or not. We are generations from "robotic defense systems."
    Depends what kind of war you're fighting. In the first gulf war, most of the ground troops never even got to fire their rifles. It was almost 100% automated. There were still pilots in those planes and vehicles, but it still counts as a "robot" even if there's a pilot.

    Mostly we need humans to conduct the political aspects of war. I wouldn't want a robot being allowed to target and shoot people without a human operator at least approving the targets before it takes them out. Machines don't do the whole accountability thing very well. Pretty hard to write a software application for that.

    I wouldn't be surprised if one of these days, video game playing skills become a dominant area of military training.
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    Sorry my pride is stung by all these US is a has-been comments, even if it is true. However I think that if the US had black weaponry you would have heard about it in a big way- probably in news that 3000 terrorists died in an extra-dimensional antimatter electronic quantom de-atomizer ray :-D . NATO wouldn't have any trouble defeating 10000 civilians with minimal training and major zeal if these weapons existed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Sorry my pride is stung by all these US is a has-been comments, even if it is true. However I think that if the US had black weaponry you would have heard about it in a big way- probably in news that 3000 terrorists died in an extra-dimensional antimatter electronic quantom de-atomizer ray :-D . NATO wouldn't have any trouble defeating 10000 civilians with minimal training and major zeal if these weapons existed.
    You don't hear about black projects at all -- that is what "black" means.

    Black projects can be advanced, or just very secret. Quite often they are associated ith intelligence gathering, or stealth, or defeat of advanced enemy systems. But they don't violate physics. "Black" science fiction.

    You only hear about black programs, if ever, long after they are developed and only when they have become known to potential enemies or have become obsolete and are no longer black..
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    The philadelphia experiment was a secret operation also right?? Is the philadelphia experiment a "black project"??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinsbergrelatz
    The philadelphia experiment was a secret operation also right?? Is the philadelphia experiment a "black project"??
    The "Philadelphia Experiment" is a hoax. It was not a project, black or otherwise.
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    Black projects can be advanced, or just very secret. Quite often they are associated ith intelligence gathering, or stealth, or defeat of advanced enemy systems. But they don't violate physics. "Black" science fiction.
    'Twas naught but a joke.

    Also, the only black project I've ever heard about was the manhattan one. Any others?
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    Dear Julianne let me shed some light on topic, black project is a codename for a research of any kind that concerns US. All new stealth and fastest airplanes were black projects until their full development. So if you havent heard of this and you're from US, well then im concered for all you. See your goverment is doing some really bad research and development, thats all.

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    Dear Julianne let me shed some light on topic, black project is a codename for a research of any kind that concerns US. All new stealth and fastest airplanes were black projects until their full development. So if you havent heard of this and you're from US, well then im concered for all you. See your goverment is doing some really bad research and development, thats all.
    What do you mean? Many countries other than the US have so called "black projects". What's the "bad research and development"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    Dear Julianne let me shed some light on topic, black project is a codename for a research of any kind that concerns US. All new stealth and fastest airplanes were black projects until their full development. So if you havent heard of this and you're from US, well then im concered for all you. See your goverment is doing some really bad research and development, thats all.

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    Wrong.

    Black projects are outside of the normal classification system. Their existence and budgets are not acknowledged. There are LOTS of classified research and development projects that are not black.
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    Well DrRocket you've just explained it to yourself. Every classified military project, is given a black project codename, and i dont know if they have them in Europe, if we do well they're hiding it very well. But i doubt it, US is big country, with big budget to exploit. This was on documentary on TV about 5 years ago, they have white projects too, they stand for global development and are none military based, well some are but nothing bad. And im from Europe and know all this thru tv and research, its weird that US citizens dont know about this. From what i read and seen they know little about their homeland and stuff going on in their goverment. We here know everything what is to know about our goverment, since its not doing its job pretty well and whole nation is upset. In US a few people noticed that on other forums, but mostly dont know whats happening. Black research and developments are mostly warfare based, bio,chem,electronic things. Did you know that US have their own Cyber command? Special unit assembled from online detectives,special agents,hackers,...
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    I think the term "Black Project" vs. "White Project" may be a name the makers of the documentary chose to give the projects. That doesn't mean the USA government describes them using those terms.

    Both you and Dr. Rocket agree that there are many classified/secret military projects. I think all Dr. Rocket is pointing out to you is that, the USA military doesn't call all of its classified projects "Black Projects". Only a few of them get that name.
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    Possible, well then this a global definition for secret projects, located on US soil... Did some researching, and found that only superpowers of this stupid planet have those secrets. Some have more than others. If your asking why did i use word stupid planet, well humanity is very naive. We made up money so we can measure progress, we wrote a fairytale about god, so people belive in something that looks human, well it aint human, its just named god. And finnaly there is war which evolved from greed and jealousy. And now its evolving into a mystery which only few knows about it, but hey! Were all humans so all this is normal... There should be something like judgement day to make things go back on right track, with no wars and secret weapons and stuff alike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    Well DrRocket you've just explained it to yourself. Every classified military project, is given a black project codename,s,...
    Wrong

    Most U.S. military contracts carry a security classification. Only a few are compartmentalized or have a code name. Even fewer are black.

    You don't know what you are talking about.
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    Yeah, I think Jamajka understands now that the USA doesn't call all secret projects "Black Projects". Probably a foreigner wouldn't care about that distinction, though.

    It's good that you point out that there are many layers of classification, so people don't misunderstand, though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    Possible, well then this a global definition for secret projects, located on US soil... Did some researching, and found that only superpowers of this stupid planet have those secrets. Some have more than others. If your asking why did i use word stupid planet, well humanity is very naive. We made up money so we can measure progress, we wrote a fairytale about god, so people belive in something that looks human, well it aint human, its just named god. And finnaly there is war which evolved from greed and jealousy. And now its evolving into a mystery which only few knows about it, but hey! Were all humans so all this is normal... There should be something like judgement day to make things go back on right track, with no wars and secret weapons and stuff alike...
    So really it bothers you in general that the USA, Russia, and other super powers have military weapons they don't publicly talk about?

    You should understand, then, that this is no revelation to most Americans. We know our government is constantly developing secret weapons. Some of them are really awesome and powerful. For example: Stealth fighters (aircraft that are difficult to detect by radar) were once top secret. Now they're very widely known. Chobham tank armor is another example. Its existence is now public knowledge, but the details of how it works are kept secret.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour
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    Maybe i dont, but to this point i've seen very incredible and truly unbelivable things and people so i dont really know what to think about all this, but something is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamajka
    Maybe i dont, but to this point i've seen very incredible and truly unbelivable things and people so i dont really know what to think about all this, but something is happening.
    Could you explain what you mean?
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