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    Does anyone know of any literature published for various military branches with plans for instituting martial law?

    I've heard of a book, I'd like to get a hold of it just to better be prepared for such an event.


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    There will be two people. Those that live in the cities and are under martial law and curfews, oredered and give up many civil and human rights. And the others who live on the road going anywhere...nowhere, bound and slave to no-one.

    If you like:

    "Andrew Jackson and the Politics of Martial Law: Nationalism, Civil Liberties, and Partisanship". Check amazon.


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    I'm looking, more or less, for a book printed by a branch of the US military describing in full detail, the tactics they are practicing and intend to use in such a situation.

    There will actually be closer to 300 million people here in the US, not just two. If you want to generalize do it realistically, considering your life might be on the line in such a situation.

    Here's how I see it.

    There are 4 general setting each with their own priority, not considering local details. Urban, suburban, rural and wilderness.

    You need to consider many things, not just how to escape martial law, but how to survive and how to avoid future capture. Plus you might have to compete with everyone else.

    Nomadism is popular these days, I have been infected as well, but it is the times, it is not eternal. The times will change, and then it's our ideals or us.
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    Gawd, you both own Guy Fawkes masks, don't you?
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    Whats that mean? No, I don't own any masks though.

    I actually want to know what can be done to hide and hunker down if shit ever went down. What sorts of people they are looking for to single out, etc.

    I'm not a militant or anything, just a survivalist interested in strategy. I'd like to be useful day to day, not just in times of plenty and peace.
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    Guy Fawkes was only the single greatest revolutionary in the history of forever!

    I'm being mildly facetious, in case that isn't reading from the above.

    A "Guy Fawkes mask" is a reference to V for Vendetta a highly acclaimed graphic novel.
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    not to be overly critical of pop heroes, but what makes him so great? It seems he was a religious fundamentalist not a secular revolutionary. He took one for the team which may have earned him such honor, but he was not in charge of the plot, nor was he successful. He was enlisted for his military expertise that he gained while fighting against Catholics that he then sought to represent by assassinating protestants. He doesn't seem to be just your ordinary religious fundamentalist, he is actually bordering on fascist.

    Can you bring a different light to my limited understanding of the man and his cause?
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    That's why I said I was being facetious I don't understand the Brits' fascination with him either. Mostly I guess they have lousy revolutionist role models.

    In the Americas, we have a whole slew of revolutionaries to look up to called the Founding Fathers. Far superior IMO
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    indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusclayman
    I'm looking, more or less, for a book printed by a branch of the US military describing in full detail, the tactics they are practicing and intend to use in such a situation.

    There will actually be closer to 300 million people here in the US, not just two. If you want to generalize do it realistically, considering your life might be on the line in such a situation.

    Here's how I see it.

    There are 4 general setting each with their own priority, not considering local details. Urban, suburban, rural and wilderness.

    You need to consider many things, not just how to escape martial law, but how to survive and how to avoid future capture. Plus you might have to compete with everyone else.

    Nomadism is popular these days, I have been infected as well, but it is the times, it is not eternal. The times will change, and then it's our ideals or us.
    I think sometimes that the best protection is a good poker face. Let them think you're whipped, and they'll stop trying to break you. (That's if you're stuck in the cities)

    In the country side, you have the advantage that the government has limited resources (even in martial law). Mormon door to door missionaries have a saying about dogs: " You don't have to be faster than the dog, only faster than your companion. "

    As long as you pose less of an apparent threat and/or require more resources to pursue (ideally both) than someone else, the government will not waste its time on you, preferring to go after them instead.

    The big trouble is getting food. Most people are totally dependant on "the system" to provide them with groceries. Too many people will be out hunting the deer and such, so that won't be likely to get you very far. It's very hard to farm without drawing attention to yourself from overhead view. (Maybe try in an area that planes don't usually fly over?)
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    They won't shut down a farm unless they have a reason. They need food too.

    Poker face is good, evasion is better, but making yourself useful is best. Poker face is only good if they care at all, they may kill indiscriminately, or might get bad vibes from a bad lie. Evasion is good if you don't get caught, but can be extra bad if you do. Making yourself useful can both be a poker face and evasion if needed. "I have work to do" is a reasonable statement to make even to a soldier who is badgering you, it says "I don't want any trouble, I just want to tend to my crops" or whatever else you are doing.
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    This brings up a good point: even the worst martial governments aren't interested in totally stripping everyone of all freedom. I think the closest anyone came was Pol Pot (who could maybe even be said to have fully achieved it), but our government leaders are not communists.

    In order to keep things functional, you *have* to let people have some freedom. Of course, it can be pretty hard to organize if they've implanted a locator chip in your arm or one in your head right by your eardrum (so they can listen too). In an ideal martial law setting..... there's no reason to think they wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numsgil
    Guy Fawkes was only the single greatest revolutionary in the history of forever!

    I'm being mildly facetious, in case that isn't reading from the above.

    A "Guy Fawkes mask" is a reference to V for Vendetta a highly acclaimed graphic novel.
    Incase some people dont fully understand, Guy Fawkes tried to kill the king of england by stashing a whole bunch of Gun Powder under the Parliamentary Building, because king james was publicly known too be Protestant, even though he was actually Catholic, and so a group of catholics planned this attack, which was leaked, and finally they caught Guy Fawkes with the barrels of Gunpowder. Afterward November 5th was known as Guy Fawkes Night and people would burn effigys of Guy Fawkes, some of the times with Fireworks
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    Is it true, good to know about it. So from where i could get this one...

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    In a Martial Law scenario (established by a corrupt gov/military), the gov/military must make sure the military do not rebel, so they need a catalytic event that can justify the ML so most soldiers think its justified and to control communications so they are not exposed to conflicting information(ex:justification is fabricated, ML is abused) as well as prevent or monitor the communications of resistance forces.

    The military can control key transport/logistical routes and the distribution of food and energy.

    Surviving alone is of limited effectiveness, people must organize into armed militias that can post sentries, scout/gather information, conduct raids to gather food/supplies or liberate prisonners, build tunnels, hidden caches, fallback shelters. There is a risk that controlled opposition groups emerge, a resistance group whose porpose is to attract dissidents like a ant motel, so joining/coordinating with other groups can be risky.

    The best thing that could happen is for the military to oppose the government/top brass and side with the people. In many revolutions the people were not able to overthrow the gov but were able to encourage factions within the military to switch sides.
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    It all comes down to leadership, and organizational theory.

    there is no people vs government, as is idealized by many a antiestablishmentarianists

    the government consists of people, and every individual has some political power
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