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  • MI garand

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  • M4 sherman and all of their versions

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  • AK-47

    4 28.57%
  • M16

    5 35.71%
  • Barrett 50 cal

    1 7.14%
  • the B-52 stratofortress

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  • the F-18

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  • the M2 flamethrower

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Ballistically it is as near to .30-06 as can be, with a considerably shorter cartridge case, more efficiently useable in full-automatic weapons.
    Whut?
    The 7.62 NATO was NOT designed with fully-auto fire in mind (for shoulder weapons at least).

    I don't believe we insist
    Um,
    Aside from popular name trends, if I go up to my friendly Sporting Goods salesperson and ask if they have 7.62 X 51, they will simply stare. All the boxed ammunition for civilian purchase, made by the popular makers, that I have seen, were labeled .308 Winchester.
    QED.
    If you care to look: .308 Winchester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    According to the above, the .308 Winchester round was developed about 2 years before it's similar round, 7.62 X 51 was adopted, the cases are NOT identical, but can safely be used interchangeably. My reloading manuals state that the 7.62 X 51 was adopted specifically because of the shorter case's greater ease of feeding and ejection in full-automatic weapons. You are aware, are you not (?) that the U.S. M-14 military rifle carried in Korea and Viet Nam, to a lesser extent, was a select-fire rifle. Training versions were manufactured in semi-auto only, but were not issued for combat.

    Speaking of which, what else may we be combatant of? jocular
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    Speaking of which, what else may we be combatant of? jocular
    Ooo...let's argue about how the poll is meaningless...since it includes completely different weapon systems used for entirely different roles, and from different eras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    the cases are NOT identical
    Which pretty much "proves" that .308 is not the military round, doesn't it?
    The Keltec RFB is a bullpup derivation of the FN FAL - chambered specifically for 7.62 x 51 NATO.
    A round known the world over (except for the US) as 7.62 x 51 NATO.
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    best weapon kinda depends on what you expect it to accomplish
    true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    Speaking of which, what else may we be combatant of? jocular
    Ooo...let's argue about how the poll is meaningless...since it includes completely different weapon systems used for entirely different roles, and from different eras.
    BTW, the frigging forum software is AGAIN requiring me to login each time a page change is made. I wanted this "like" so bad, I went ahead with proly the 15th. G.D. n'd login tonight! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    the cases are NOT identical
    Which pretty much "proves" that .308 is not the military round, doesn't it?The Keltec RFB is a bullpup derivation of the FN FAL - chambered specifically for 7.62 x 51 NATO.
    A round known the world over (except for the US) as 7.62 x 51 NATO.
    Yep. But so fu--ing what? You don't believe that some governmental military entity "hit on" the specs for 7.62 X 51 two years after Winchester designed and brought out their .308, without carefully copying it, do you? jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Why do you weird Americans insist on calling it .308?
    It's 7.62 x 51 NATO.

    Maybe you just like to rub it in that managed to screw up NATO's ammunition/ small arms procurement in the early 50s (mainly thanks to Studtler [from memory] and his intransigence).
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Why do you weird Americans insist on calling it .308?
    It's 7.62 x 51 NATO.

    Maybe you just like to rub it in that managed to screw up NATO's ammunition/ small arms procurement in the early 50s (mainly thanks to Studtler [from memory] and his intransigence).
    LIke my 30 ot 6? or my 30/30? Chuckling at Sir Ducky's discomfort....though his little feathers do make such a nice pillow......the quilt has begun!
    Hidden, but not well enough, envy that I can step outside our front door with my .308 cal. M1-A, or even my submachine gun, or any other of the legal weapons around, and shoot them, clean them, enjoy them, and have a good time knowing my ownership of firearms is an unassailable fact not available to Daddy-Dew-Drop, or whatever-the-hell he seems to call himself. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Hidden, but not well enough, envy
    Possibly the correct term here would be "arrant nonsense".
    But "bullshit" is more apropos.
    WTF would I want a gun for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Hidden, but not well enough, envy
    Possibly the correct term here would be "arrant nonsense".
    But "bullshit" is more apropos.
    WTF would I want a gun for?
    THIS is incongruous! You, the self-proclaimed ordnance- knowledgeable character, having, what, been employed in some such capacity, which I have now forgotten your reference to, as to have become intimately familiar with ordnance concepts, theory, application, and use, and,

    you pose a question like the above? Jeez!


    I really enjoy eating; WTF would I want food for?

    I really enjoy sex; WTF would I want a partner for?

    I have appeared as an "Expert Witness". WTF would they possibly think I could contribute?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    THIS is incongruous! You, the self-proclaimed ordnance- knowledgeable character, having, what, been employed in some such capacity, which I have now forgotten your reference to, as to have become intimately familiar with ordnance concepts, theory, application, and use, and, you pose a question like the above? Jeez!
    I'll say it again:
    Possibly the correct term here would be "arrant nonsense".
    But "bullshit" is more apropos.
    WTF would I want a gun for?

    How often do you see a nuclear weapons technician pining for ownership?
    Do sewage workers want to take samples home?
    Did R. J. Mitchell own a Spitfire? C. L. Kelly an SR-71?

    WTF would I do with a gun?
    Would it make me more manly?
    I design(ed) stuff for other people, not because I want one.
    One of the patents I would have held - were it not for UK law regarding employed designers and their work/ ideas - would have been a post-mortem table.
    Are you also under the impression that I desire (or already own) one of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    THIS is incongruous! You, the self-proclaimed ordnance- knowledgeable character, having, what, been employed in some such capacity, which I have now forgotten your reference to, as to have become intimately familiar with ordnance concepts, theory, application, and use, and, you pose a question like the above? Jeez!
    I'll say it again:
    Possibly the correct term here would be "arrant nonsense".
    But "bullshit" is more apropos.
    WTF would I want a gun for?

    How often do you see a nuclear weapons technician pining for ownership?
    Do sewage workers want to take samples home?
    Did R. J. Mitchell own a Spitfire? C. L. Kelly an SR-71?

    WTF would I do with a gun?
    Would it make me more manly?
    I design(ed) stuff for other people, not because I want one.
    One of the patents I would have held - were it not for UK law regarding employed designers and their work/ ideas - would have been a post-mortem table.
    Are you also under the impression that I desire (or already own) one of those?
    Sorry Sir Ducky....but if you hunt....you'd want a gun. Only reason we have any. Or if you are a professional rifle shooter...another reason....other than that....I simply don't want or need one. If I were hunting....yep my 30 ot or 30/30 as we call it would do...but other than that...I also have no use for one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Sorry Sir Ducky....but if you hunt....you'd want a gun.
    And I have never said, or even hinted, that I hunt. I'm a town/ city dweller.
    Ergo Jocular's ridiculous claim of "envy" is exactly that: ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    ...One of the patents I would have held - were it not for UK law regarding employed designers and their work/ ideas - would have been a post-mortem table....
    Curious:
    What was unique about your design for a post-mortem table?

    ......................
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    I was under the impression that 308 ammunition was more powerful than 7.62x51 nato ammunition.
    something on the order of 62,000 psi vs 50,000 psi
    unless the weapon was designed for 308, using it in a weapon designed for 7.62 x51 could prove detrimental to the weapon's autoloading mechanism?
    .....................
    also, difference between 303 and 308?
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    also, difference between .303 and .308?
    .005 Sheesh! where do you go to school...the barn?

    Oh..and to answer you question...it's just an older, British variant from the 30 caliber family of rifles. It's a big family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    also, difference between .303 and .308?
    .005 Sheesh! where do you go to school...the barn?
    you wanna expand on that a bit---within context?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    I was under the impression that 308 ammunition was more powerful than 7.62x51 nato ammunition.
    something on the order of 62,000 psi vs 50,000 psi
    Try 62,000 (and a bit) vs 60,000.

    also, difference between 303 and 308?
    .303 has longer case. And a larger bullet. And is about 0.2" longer overall for a complete round. And...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Sorry Sir Ducky....but if you hunt....you'd want a gun.
    And I have never said, or even hinted, that I hunt. I'm a town/ city dweller.
    Ergo Jocular's ridiculous claim of "envy" is exactly that: ridiculous.
    Point taken Sir Duck.....you are not an outdoorsman! *S*...no shame in that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    ......................
    edit: (almost forgot)
    I was under the impression that 308 ammunition was more powerful than 7.62x51 nato ammunition.
    something on the order of 62,000 psi vs 50,000 psi
    unless the weapon was designed for 308, using it in a weapon designed for 7.62 x51 could prove detrimental to the weapon's autoloading mechanism?
    .....................
    also, difference between 303 and 308?
    A strictly and carefully controlled loading regarding powder type (and mfg. lot), case dimensions, primer type, including similar lot no., temperature prevailing, rifle chamber and barrel temperature, will commonly produce as wide a range of pressure (45,000 psi up to 60,000 psi) when fired from a variety of weapons all chambered for the same round as we have been deliberating around. For that reason, I mentioned (and use) 50,000 as a reasonably average figure when discussing the loading of these caliber cartridges. To simply state that a ".308 Winchester" cartridge produces say, 55,000 psi, is a statement of improbability. joc
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    Dyw, earlier in this thread you brought up Rorke's Drift and Isandlwana as examples where motivation and numbers were present for the victory of a force with melee weaponry over much smaller forces with modern weaponry. While I agree with your points, I would like to point some things out about Isandlwana.

    The way I read into your comment, and I could have minterpreted, was that Isandlwana was a case where simply superior numbers and motivation led to victory. This is not entirely true. While the majority of Zulus did only have the assegai and iklwa, up to 1/3 had firearms - albeit not up to the standards of the Lee Enfield, but firearms nonetheless. Cetschwayo had been stockpiling firearms for his impis throughout his reign, specifically out of concern that one day the British Empire would invade.

    Although the Zulus greatly outnumbered the British column, that was a battle the British should have been able to win. The Zulus didn't really have any intent to fight that day. It is believed they went in a show a force and then got forced into battle after Durnford discovered the Zulus hidden in a valley near the main Column's camp. The Zulus' advantage in the battle was not their numbers specifically, but rather the lack of central command in the Britsh camp, and that the Brits were ill prepared.

    The Brits were commanded by both Durnford and Pulleine, even though Chelmsford specified to Pulleine that he was to remain in command (in spite of Durnford's higher rank, which was more a testament to his length of service than his skill as a commander). That old Victorian sense of propriety, however, saw to Durnford being assured joint command - which ended tragically for the Brits.

    Durnford's exploration of the valley forced the Brits into too great a line in order to defend their position. The Native Natal Horse and the Native Natal Contingency were poorly trained/equipped, and some of them made up large sections of the line. All the Zulus had to do in that battle was take pot shots with their bunk firearms and wait out the NNC's courage. An unnamed inDuna shamed his particularly unmotivated impi with the call of uSuthu. This led to a full charge, and that was all the NNC needed to break their position and doom the entire column to utter devastation. The Zulus probably lost more warriors in the aftermath, due to infection and what not, but at the actual battle they probably lost less men than the British - which relied so heavily on keeping that line held.

    Later on at Rorke's Drift, an impi high on their grand victory would underestimate the British just as the British had underestimated the Zulus. Here we see a crushing Zulu defeat at the hands of some 400 British soldiers and affiliates.

    So while numbers did play a role in a Zulu victory at Isandlwana, there were so many factors at play on the British side that essentially assured defeat, and I wouldn't consider Isandlwana a very good example of how a technologically inferior fighting force can win simply by having the numbers and motivation.

    Edit: Brits used Martini-Henry at the time, not Lee Enfield as I had said.
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    I just gotta say this... hunting is killing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
    I just gotta say this... hunting is killing...
    Not necessarily...my last 2 deer hunting trips were more like "walking through the woods carrying a rifle" followed by getting faced at the campsite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
    I just gotta say this... hunting is killing...
    I've spent much time hunting particular books.
    Never killed one yet.
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    Back in Phoenix, ca. 1980s, a very popular bumper sticker read, "Meat is Murder!".

    Another: "Friends don't let Friends Eat Meat".

    The first I simply waved off.

    The second, though, really pissed me off, as no asshole telling me what I can or cannot eat, is my friend! jocular
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    Family hunted. NO problem with it if it is used for food, not for the "thrill of the kill"
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    Ubiquity of the AK family.
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    Why the Heck isn't the SCAR here, it is pretty much an m-16 and an ak-47 put together with a slightly bigger round than the AK.

    Also......

    Sarin Gas, nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosD.Ace View Post
    Why the Heck isn't the SCAR here, it is pretty much an m-16 and an ak-47 put together with a slightly bigger round than the AK.
    Really?
    You think 5.56mm is larger than 7.62mm?
    How does that work?
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    Where did you get 5.56 from.

    AK-47 = 7.62x39 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
    SCAR H (should have specified the heavy version, sorry) = 7.62x51 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosD.Ace View Post
    Where did you get 5.56 from.
    It's quite simple.
    You stated SCAR, not SCAR H.
    Considering that more than 3 times as many SCAR (5.56) have been made/ ordered than SCAR H (7.62) then the default assumption would be the more numerous one.

    BTW "bigger" is also something of a misnomer - SCAR H is the same calibre round as AK-47/M, (although longer).
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    What about the S&W .500 Magnum?



    In order to purchase one, you have to answer a questionnaire...the first question being "Are you attempting to compensate for having a small penis?" If you don't answer "Yes"...they won't sell you one. The correct answer for all the other questions is " 'Murica...hell ya".
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    Sorry for the confusion.

    I know it is the same calliber,but calibre isn't everything.

    Either way Scar is both put together and much more

    Also where is the P-90?

    And where did you get the strange quote.

    I hate revolvers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosD.Ace View Post
    Sorry for the confusion.

    I know it is the same calliber,but calibre isn't everything.

    Either way Scar is both put together and much more
    Okay.
    So why is the SCAR H a better weapon than the AK?

    Also where is the P-90?
    Because...?

    And where did you get the strange quote.
    From a post by Strange.
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    I think the best weapon is the Air Vortex Cannon a.k.a. the Airzooka. Because Science!
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    [/QUOTE] So why is the SCAR H a better weapon than the AK? [/QUOTE]

    Also I am not just arguing that the SCAR H is superior, I am arguing that the entire SCAR family are superior. SCAR H may not see much use other than spec ops, but the SCAR L is much more widely used.

    Hopefully I can convince you.

    Although we are ultimately comparing world war 2 tech with an assault rifle made with most modern and advanced weapon tech.

    Lets use the SCAR H standard (16 inch barrel) and SCAR L standard ( 14 inch barrel)


    Weight:

    AK-47 - 3.47 kg

    Scar H st. - 3.58 kg
    Scar L st. - 3.29 kg

    Scar is far more ergonomical, adjustable stock length, cheek elevation, force absorption pads and naturally folding stock.

    It uses a short stroke gas piston rather than direct gas impingement (m-16) making it as reliable as an AK-47 (some say it gets even less jams, but I couldn't find anything to verify this)

    This also gives it softer, almost negligible recoil as compared to the AK-47 that suffers from some recoil probs. SCAR H is more controlable.

    Muzzle Velocity:

    AK-47 - 715 m/s

    SCAR H st. - 715 m/s
    SCAR L st. - 800 m/s

    Effective range:

    AK-47 - 400 metres

    SCAR h st. - 600 metres (although the Long barrel can achieve max effective rang of 800 metres)
    SCAR L st. - 500 metres

    Rate of fire:

    AK-47 - 600 rpm

    SCAR H & L - 625 rpm

    Last but not least it has an easy modular mechanism which let's you quick change the barrels. So long distance assault rifle one minute, Close Quarter Combat the next.


    In essence the SCAR has the reliability and hard hitting round of the AK-47, but with a precision that actually let's you reach out and touch someone, while having softer recoil.

    Here is a review.

    Gun Review: SCAR 17S (Semi-Auto Civilian SCAR-H) | The Truth About Guns
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    I'm still going with the pointy stick as the best weapon. With the SCAR, you can't kill someone with it, then use it toast marshmellows over a campfire.

    (edit) You know what's retarded?...that stupidly big .500 mag I posted is only 1.2 kgs lighter than the SCAR! Try holding that motherf#@ker on aim for more than 15 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
    I'm still going with the pointy stick as the best weapon. With the SCAR, you can't kill someone with it, then use it toast marshmellows over a campfire.
    Hey I'm not done yet. I was in school had to go to registration.
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    Also I am not just arguing that the SCAR H is superior, I am arguing that the entire SCAR family are superior.
    Okay, so now you're contradicting your previous claim about "larger round".

    Weight:
    AK-47 - 3.47 kg
    Scar H st. - 3.58 kg
    Scar L st. - 3.29 kg
    So you're saying that it's either heavier or lighter.
    And the lighter version uses a less effective round.

    Scar is far more ergonomical, adjustable stock length, cheek elevation, force absorption pads and naturally folding stock.
    And that makes it superior?

    This also gives it softer, almost negligible recoil as compared to the AK-47 that suffers from some recoil probs. SCAR H is more controlable.
    Negligible recoil?
    You DO realise that the linked review was for the semi-auto version?
    Do you seriously think that a full-auto full-calibre weapon has "negligible recoil" 1?

    1 You ARE aware that one of the main reasons for the NATO switch to 5.56mm was lack of controllability when firing 7.62 x 51 on auto aren't you?
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    propaganda
    Propaganda is a good weapon....you know what's also a good weapon?...PMS...it's been making men cower in fear for 1000's of years.
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    [wins thread]

    What's the best weapon ever? The one NOT pointed at you!

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    Propaganda is a good weapon....you know what's also a good weapon?...PMS...it's been making men cower in fear for 1000's of years.
    any sane husband will run into the night screaming in horror at the site of an open box of tampons
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    any sane husband will run into the night screaming in horror at the site of an open box of tampons
    Especially used ones. joc
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    From the perspective of potential lives saved, the B-52, as an integral component of the nuclear triad, has saved hundreds of millions of lives, many times more than it would have taken had a launch order been received.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macgyver1968 View Post
    what about the s&w .500 magnum?



    in order to purchase one, you have to answer a questionnaire...the first question being "are you attempting to compensate for having a small penis?" if you don't answer "yes"...they won't sell you one. The correct answer for all the other questions is " 'murica...hell ya".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
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    YOU MUST be joshing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Okay, so now you're contradicting your previous claim about "larger round".
    Okay fine, let's compare only the Heavy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    So you're saying that it's either heavier
    .11 kg isn't much of a difference and it helps with recoil anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    "Scar is far more ergonomical, adjustable stock length, cheek elevation, force absorption pads and naturally folding stock."

    And that makes it superior?
    Yes, maybe not by miles but it's a definite boost, since it's more ergonomical it's more comfortable and fits the user better making the recoil and weapon overall more maneageble and manouverable, follow-up shots are quicker and more accurate making a better grouping as the gun is held slightly steadier.

    Collapsable stock makes it easier to carry and to fire from the hip.

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    Negligible recoil?
    I suppose that is a slight exageration, however:

    "Short stroke recoil has another benefit, especially with larger calibers. The power behind short stroke recoil comes from a rather heavy bolt carrier assembly — the piston is only in contact with the bolt carrier for a short period of time. The bolt carrier needs enough momentum from that contact to successfully cycle the action, momentum provided by a beefy carrier. Having all that mass sliding around means that the force of the recoil is spread over a longer period of time, making it feel remarkably lighter and allowing for more accurate follow up shots. But we’ll get into that later.

    Of course the muzzle will displace more in full auto, however this coupled with it's better ergonomics makes it still far more controllable than the AK-47 and that is "part" of what makes it superior. Again better recoil means better groupings in rapid fire, giving it great accuracy which the ak-47 severly lacks.

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    I am desperately in need of y'all's help. My neighborhood is being overrun....overun...by giant spiders! Here's the evidence I've gathered:





    You can clearly see from the size of the webs, that the spiders pictured are merely adolescents, and that the full-size adults could have a body diameter of a meter or more! I need to arm myself against this invasion...because I'm not fond of the idea of being wrapped in silk and having my body juices sucked up like a pina colada.

    Since spiders are soft bodied, penetration power isn't much of an issue...so I'm thinking about going with AA-12 fully automatic shot gun:



    and use either double-ought buck or explosive slugs...or a combination of both



    What weapon would you choose to help me fight off the giant spider invasion? (and don't say nuke 'em from orbit)
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    Streetsweeper shotguns were outlawed by Secretary of State Lloyd Bentsen (illegally outlawed, of course!). joc
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    That's not bad. Can destroy half of Europe, Germany included in 5 minutes and nothing would stop it.
    Though, as Putin said on his press conference a 2 weeks ago, it's not even the most formidable thing we have for our European partners.

    Answering questions at a press conference in Moscow, Vladimir Putin also noted that Iskander “is just an element of a possible response, by no means the most effective one.”
    “Still, in its segment, Iskander is the most effective weapon in the world,” Putin said.
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    That's not bad. Can destroy half of Europe, Germany included in 5 minutes and nothing would stop it.
    Though, as Putin said on his press conference a 2 weeks ago, it's not even the most formidable thing we have for our European partners.

    Answering questions at a press conference in Moscow, Vladimir Putin also noted that Iskander “is just an element of a possible response, by no means the most effective one.”
    “Still, in its segment, Iskander is the most effective weapon in the world,” Putin said.
    He frightens me. Just my personal opinion!
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    That's not bad. Can destroy half of Europe, Germany included in 5 minutes and nothing would stop it.
    Though, as Putin said on his press conference a 2 weeks ago, it's not even the most formidable thing we have for our European partners.

    Answering questions at a press conference in Moscow, Vladimir Putin also noted that Iskander “is just an element of a possible response, by no means the most effective one.”
    “Still, in its segment, Iskander is the most effective weapon in the world,” Putin said.
    He frightens me. Just my personal opinion!
    It's old but counts, hells bells
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