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    Amazing 10 min TED video worth a listen.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/emma_hart_...on?language=en

    If mankind ever lands on a planet/moon populated by these engineering marvels then would it be a sure sign of biological life (besides Earth) was or is present in the universe? Made me wonder if life on Earth could have evolved from an alien machine’s doing, is it even possible? Who knows, maybe if given enough time artificial evolution eventually produces biological life? Might be more planets with robots running around than those with life….idk


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Amazing 10 min TED video worth a listen.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/emma_hart_...on?language=en

    If mankind ever lands on a planet/moon populated by these engineering marvels then would it be a sure sign of biological life (besides Earth) was or is present in the universe? Made me wonder if life on Earth could have evolved from an alien machine’s doing, is it even possible? Who knows, maybe if given enough time artificial evolution eventually produces biological life? Might be more planets with robots running around than those with life….idk
    Finding extremely advanced robots and machines would provide convincing evidence that a biological life form, evolved like those on earth, were their creators. Gods of robots, if you will. If advanced enough, it is not impossible to imagine such robots could produce the conditions to allow for the evolution of biological life. This would make the robots the gods of another planet's life.

    Aside from the extreme complexity required of such robots, stability of the environment over extended periods of time would be a major issue. The robots would have to account for this aspect as well as the chemistry. Even with robots, evolution of biological life would likely take a very long time. It depends a lot on what "starting ingredients" are being used, and how complex the biological life turns out. The more complex the starting ingredients, the more likely this could be accomplished.

    It seems unlikely that "artificial evolution ", i.e. the appearance of non-organic life forms, could arise on their own. Being "robotic", it would appear to require starting from some form of "solid-state evolution", which is rather difficult to imagine. Movement, from molecules to organisms, seems essential to the evolution of anything more advanced than rocks and ice. Solid-state, as it is defined, would not permit such interactions.

    The mobility of molecules must be an essential first starting point for the origin of biological life. Solid-state derived life, appearing on its own, is a pretty hard thing to imagine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
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    Amazing 10 min TED video worth a listen.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/emma_hart_...on?language=en

    If mankind ever lands on a planet/moon populated by these engineering marvels then would it be a sure sign of biological life (besides Earth) was or is present in the universe? Made me wonder if life on Earth could have evolved from an alien machine’s doing, is it even possible? Who knows, maybe if given enough time artificial evolution eventually produces biological life? Might be more planets with robots running around than those with life….idk
    Finding extremely advanced robots and machines would provide convincing evidence that a biological life form, evolved like those on earth, were their creators. Gods of robots, if you will. If advanced enough, it is not impossible to imagine such robots could produce the conditions to allow for the evolution of biological life. This would make the robots the gods of another planet's life.

    Aside from the extreme complexity required of such robots, stability of the environment over extended periods of time would be a major issue. The robots would have to account for this aspect as well as the chemistry. Even with robots, evolution of biological life would likely take a very long time. It depends a lot on what "starting ingredients" are being used, and how complex the biological life turns out. The more complex the starting ingredients, the more likely this could be accomplished.

    It seems unlikely that "artificial evolution ", i.e. the appearance of non-organic life forms, could arise on their own. Being "robotic", it would appear to require starting from some form of "solid-state evolution", which is rather difficult to imagine. Movement, from molecules to organisms, seems essential to the evolution of anything more advanced than rocks and ice. Solid-state, as it is defined, would not permit such interactions.

    The mobility of molecules must be an essential first starting point for the origin of biological life. Solid-state derived life, appearing on its own, is a pretty hard thing to imagine.
    I was only thinking that a machine equipped with a super, quantum or whatever you want to call it computer would somehow determine that flesh and blood eventually beats metal and wire in the long game of evolution. Once the quantum computer age ramps up even more I think the first tasks they might ask it to do would be to design a living organism. The way things are going with humans developing life in the lab seems slow and to be missing an ingredient or two…JMO. I just thought it would be ironic if the evolving robots went full circle thus determining that organisms adapt better than machines over time.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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