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    Not meant as a reference to the 1970s book/film, that doesn't make any sense for us today, 'cause the Titanic rests in two major pieces with innumerable smaller pieces scattered around it. But:

    Would it be technically possible for modern engineering to raise those pieces in order to place them in exhibit in a dry dock, e.g. at Titanic Belfast? And more important:

    Ethically, should we ever?



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    Probably. But the remaining sections are probably so fragile at this point they wouldn't survive dry dock.


    Ethically, should we ever?
    You mean the ethical concerns of destroying a wondrous artificial reef with its complex ecosystem? Ya, I'd be against that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Ethically, should we ever?
    You mean the ethical concerns of destroying a wondrous artificial reef with its complex ecosystem? Ya, I'd be against that.
    No, more that many relatives to the dead consider it a gravesite, that should not be touched. Some do complain that artifacts have been retrieved from the wreck and put on display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    the remaining sections are probably so fragile at this point they wouldn't survive dry dock[/COLOR]
    Kinda like raising a jellyfish. Near the surface, yes; out of water, no.
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    At this point not even near surface, the structure of the sections is extremely weak and any movement will destableize them. Also as noted, the aections are hotspots of benthic life, and moving them will destroy the ecosystems that have,grown on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    At this point not even near surface, the structure of the sections is extremely weak and any movement will destabilize them.
    Ah. That would kill it all right there.

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    Also as noted, the sections are hotspots of benthic life, and moving them will destroy the ecosystems that have,grown on them.
    Well... One could argue that that ecosystem is only there because of this inadvertent human activity 100 years ago, so human beings would be allowed to remove it again. If the debate was only centered on that.

    Other than that, it is a gravesite, init?
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    Its a derivation of the same communities that form around other deadfalls on the benthic floor, eg logs and whale carcasses so no, we dont really have the right to destroy it, just cause humans "created it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    we dont really have the right to destroy it, just cause humans "created it".
    So the beer bottles I chuck off a yacht, are morally protected and how dare anyone touch them.

    Reminds me of the yearly Great Canadian Shoreline Cleanup. The bulk of what we put into trash bags was encrusted with mussels and seaweeds. I had misgivings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
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    we dont really have the right to destroy it, just cause humans "created it".
    So the beer bottles I chuck off a yacht, are morally protected and how dare anyone touch them.

    Reminds me of the yearly Great Canadian Shoreline Cleanup. The bulk of what we put into trash bags was encrusted with mussels and seaweeds. I had misgivings!
    Thats not what I said pong, and the degree of complexity is key. Minimizing to the point of absurdity does not make a good argument.
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