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My question to all of you is, do you think the iron man suit can be created?
October 17th, 2010, 12:59 AM
We all know, and love, Iron man
My question to all of you is, do you think the iron man suit can be created?
October 17th, 2010, 07:32 PM
Not until a near infinite power source is discovered that weights next to nothing and takes up very little space. Let's also keep in mind new metals that can withstand the type of impacts "Ironman" sustained.Originally Posted by freeyourmind
Possible, sure...but not any time in the near future.
The power source, thats the only real problem?
What about the tiny yet powerful hydraulic systems?
Well we could also toss in all the development needed to make the thing stable, so you didn't just fall over due to the added weight. Tons of sensors to read your bodies desired movements, etc. The hydraulics I'm sure could be done now, for a cost. In the end without the high tech metals it just becomes a guy in a tin can. You of course could make him/her much more durable then the average person of course, but nothing a bullet can't spot. Unless you make it heavier and larger.
I think this one falls in to the just not practical category.
I think that a more realistic version of the suit could be made- I've done some research online and found that Raytheon, a military contracting corporation, has already designed, built and tested an exoskeleton, which would solve all the weight problems. There is one thing though- the battery would weigh a crazy amount.
Also, with a jet pack, or the personal wing like at www.jetman.com, it could fly.
Armor would be harder to design.
well you can make anti bullet armor from the same material as the bullet proof vest or bomb squad suit,and you put it like fish scales.It would weight around 15-20 kg and you would have protection from anti piercing bullets.Thats not a problem if you have hydraulics.Only thing you need to find is power source.
Yeah, the suit designed by ratheon had to be connected to a power source at all times, one that couldn't be carried.
There is also an armor/vest that uses the fish scale design and can stop a medium caliber round at point blank range.
June 7th, 2011, 12:00 PM
A friend of mine asked me the exact same question a number of weeks ago. I responded that an Iron Man suit would be possible within 50 years. The things is, wireless energy transfer could be used to power the suit thereby eliminating the need for an onboard power supply, which would reduce weight and save space for the other essential components.
But could also expose people to dangerous radiation.
Tremendous energy will create tremendous heat. How to shed that heat, so Ironman doesn't cook inside the suit? He'd look pretty silly with a truck radiator strapped to his back.
Not necessarily. It all depends on the efficiency of conversion. For example, huge amounts of electricity can be passed through superconducting wires, with absolutely no heat generated because the conducting material has zero resistance. So therefore, no, this hypothetical suit would not necessarily need a massive cooling unit in order for it to be viable.
...and no work done. We're talking about robotics.
You obviously haven't heard of a superconducting motor. If you were to place a superconducting wire next to another, passing a current through one of them would cause a magnetic field to be created around it. The other wire would then also generate a magnetic field to counteract the first (the meissner effect) and thus experience a repulsive force. This allows them to be used as actuators, so yes, they can certainly do work and they could also be used in the field of robotics for this purpose if desired. This process would also not generate any heat, as there are no losses throughout the conductors....and no work done. We're talking about robotics.
I stand corrected.
The next problem is designing motors and bearings that constitute a hollow exoskeleton.
My answer is yes, one can be created. Just now with today's technology. How far in the future? No idea.
Room temperature or near room temperature superconductivity and high energy sources that we don't have levels of yet would be required. I don't think our alloys are there yet either, but I could be wrong on that one.
Yes, all good places however all achievable in time, however what about the issue of g-forces and body impact, some hardcore anti shock systems would be needed. Also jet packs are lame, keeping with the ironman idea I'm thinking more along the lines of the ion perpulsion system used in satellites obviously would need far more research. If I 1 day have unlimited money I will make 1
G-force against the human body might be a factor here but with the right components anything is possible.
With all the technical things like weapon systems, jet powered, bullet proof and artillery proof, communications, power supply and a host of other things that the suit has to offer I'd think that it will never be created the way it is shown. Perhaps a scaled down version with a few technical improvements can be made but not with all the things that this suit has today.
Maybe some help from 3D greatness..(no ant involved).
sci fi
has a way of becoming reality
40-50 years ago what functions as a cell phone was only seen in a sci fi series
It's almost like brainwashing
If people conceive of a thing or behaviour as common or likely,then it becomes so
for good or ill
That's the thing in his chest.Not until a near infinite power source is discovered that weights next to nothing and takes up very little space. Let's also keep in mind new metals that can withstand the type of impacts "Ironman" sustained.
Possible, sure...but not any time in the near future.
One could argue that the super power source he creates near the beginning of the movie is the keystone of the whole invention. It's the only think Tony Stark uniquely possesses and won't share.
Also he mentions using Palladium in its construction - which is kind of an inside joke to many physicists I think. Palladium crystals were the mechanism that was supposed to make cold fusion possible in the cold fusion fiasco.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion
He states later in the movie that the armor is a "gold titanium alloy". Not sure where he's going with that.
Nobody can stop Jetpack man! As he cruises through the air at a blistering 70 miles and hour for 20 seconds.
Iron man is not science fiction, it's science fantasy I'm afraid. The energy requirements alone....
It is not actually. I have been researching and devoting my life to creating one. It still needs work but so far i have created a lightweight, bulletproof metal armour that when wired correctly, will take certain movements based on my thoughts. I shall not disclose the exact material that I am working with as i have not copyrighted it yet.
Perspective.
The Iron Man™ in film that can fly around and such has energy requirements far beyond would could be squeezed into a wearable suit.
A mechanical armored suit is not necessarily fantasy, even if the depicted Iron Man™ is.
It is actually. I have been researching and devoting my life to creating one. It still needs work but so far i have created a lightweight, bulletproof metal armour that when wired correctly, will take certain movements based on my thoughts. I shall not disclose the exact material that I am working with as i have not copyrighted it yet.
It is actually. I have been researching and devoting my life to creating one. It still needs work but so far i have created a lightweight, bulletproof metal armour that when wired correctly, will take certain movements based on my thoughts. I shall not disclose the exact material that I am working with as i have not copyrighted it yet.
Are you using nitinol?
Of course you have.
And Barney the Dinosaur helped, didn't he?
Barney helped? I bet he's made a giant zoid.
Ok. On the energy requirements......
The whole big deal with Iron Man is THE THING IN HIS CHEST
The authors of the story knew the energy requirements were the big issue. He's got some kind of sci-fi magic battery that gives off virtually unlimited amounts of energy.
The rest of the suit is what's interesting to discuss. The energy source is just fantasy/make-believe.
Jetman doesn't take off, he throws himself out of an aeroplane. Jetman doesn't land, he deploys a parachute. If you go look at jetpacks that allow controlled take offs and landings, they have really short burn times, because hovering uses loads of energy.
Nice in theory, but that's as far as it goes. It would need to be a room temperature superconductor, and that's a Holy Grail item, and currently we are no where near achieving that, the best we have operates at 138K, so requires lots of cooling.
Yeah right. Nice on your planet is it? I bet you haven't even got a prototype that would turns heads at Comicon.
look dude. you can say what you like. i have built a suit that can withstand 20mm caliber bullets. if i can do this, i think i can find someone through the internet. not saying i will come for you, but when i have finished, and you still won't accept the fact that someone has done something you can't, then i might have to have a serious talk with you. so please, leave me alone.
dude. i can make an iron man suit. in a couple of years,you watch out for the name "Iron-Side. then you can say "I talked to him once!" they might interview you on the news.
fine, be that way. I'm making a list.
oh. You're dead now. You REALLY shouldn't have done that.
I think that an Iron Man like Suit without all the capabilities and specs would be possible eventually, (power armor that flies for a limited time) though it would probably mount a back pack unit to provide extra space for power and propulsion, but for a long time to come, falling off a few kilometers onto concrete will not be good for the person inside the suit even if the suit is intact and padded inside.
You can't "copyright" a material. You could, possibly, patent it or perhaps the method for making it.
Also, things that can be copyrighted (e.g. this post) is copyrighted as soon as I post it. ("It's mine, I say, mine all mine..."). There is no "yet" involved.
I've Got a Little List - The Mikado - Gilbert and Sullivan - YouTube
Discussions like these, humour aside (lol) do illustrate an interesting point: I sum it up as 'a touching belief in the technological fix'... And of course people like me are wide open to the usual chant of ' they said that powered flight was impossible' ( not entirely sure who 'they' were but you get the jist..) However as a fairly realistic scientist type person I reckon that some things are absolutely not possible now and will remain impossible, viz: Time travel, inter ( or indeed, intra) galactic travel, teleportation etc etc. I am constantly surprised at educated non scientists who absolutely believe that the rise and rise of technology is unstoppable and at least linear or maybe even exponential. Yes yes, Moores Law, I know I know...
Sad armchair fantasist! Go on, find me. Wear your suit, ROFL! A round from a 20mm cannon has ~38K ft.lbs of energy. Directed at human weighing ~100kg, the change in momentum of the human is sufficient to kill then via G forces alone.
So I'm sat here, laughing at you, literally. Put down the comics, and go pick up a basic Physics book, and start learning.
Even Moore's law will eventually end. It probably has another 10 years or so. Of course, there will be replacement technology developed which may have a similar growth curve...
yeh?
Good luck with that.
Good luck with what? You own copyright in anything you create automatically (unless you are in one of the few jurisdictions who are not signatories to the Berne Convention). No action or time is required.
(Enforcing those rights on the other hand ...)
Wow. You're off your rocker. Go ahead and add me to it, too.
Oh please, please, can I be on your list too?
I knew IronSide. Wasn't he a lawyer or detective who was in a wheelchair? Is that you? Wow, small world.
There is also Micheal Ironside. He was pretty badass.
Maybe he means Iron Maiden?
Bruce Dickinson is pretty cool.
How about the entire forum put you on the ignore list. Find another forum to threaten members. Bye.
How about the entire forum put you on the ignore list. Find another forum to threaten members. Bye. [/QUOTE]
Considering my name is tony stark and his was Iron Patriot, i think that I need to talk to Lt. Colonel James Rhodes about this. haha.
It never fails. Really.
As soon as I go to bat for someone and ask the moderator to reconsider their actions (Ask- means they MAY consider it)... The person I stuck up for goes and makes a complete fool outta me.
Seems like every time- the only exception is Dy.
what?
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Here, made one this morning in my spare time.
You mean you really are Tony Stark, the Tony Stark, and not a sock-puppet of IronPatriot? Wow.
I debated whether or not to answer this question. Obviously, I have made a decision.
As a member that makes posts, it is out of my or any other members hands if another member is banned. However, the moderators here tend to be very open to hearing appeals and considerations.
IronPatriot has contributed pretty much nothing of value to the forum.
The seriousness of a threat cannot be ignored.
So the ban was justified. In spite of that, I submitted an appeal that the mods consider the action as the comments made could have been "off" humor. Poor taste, true, but an established member would have gotten away with it.
I thought that it was only fair that anyone be given the same chance.
IronPatriot opted to take another course of action. Creating a Sock Puppet is one of the strongest forms of disrespect a member can give a discussion board. It's the netiquette version of flipping the double bird.
Aw, someone beat IronPatriot to it!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-22458190
I don't think this one is bullet proof, or can fly though.
i believe its really possible to construct iron man suit ...if a man cam make mobile like technology then in in near future we will able to make iron man suit, and hope it will be easily available on market. :-P ...
by the way let me explain what difficulties we have to make iron man suit ..
we need a hug power generating power house in the suit ..that is only possible nuclear energy ...so we need a large space to start nuclear reaction.
Highly aero space technology
if any scientist will make it i want to wear the suit and fly in the sky
Not with (the vast majority of) the capabilities of the suit as shown in the films/ comics.
What bits would we struggle with?
Oh let's see...
Flight.
Most of the weapons.
Protection levels.
Repulsors.
Power.
He did say in the future which suggests there are no boundaries. Not that I support this notion myself but just because it hasn't been built doesn't mean it can not be built, ahem pyramids.
Read it again.
near future
few year ago we assume that diamond is the most hardest material on the earth surface and really seems no way to find some other material harder then diamond. But just after a few year we able to develop "Carbon nanotube" known as the hardest material on the earth surface. So technology will develop with time and human efforts.Not with (the vast majority of) the capabilities of the suit as shown in the films/ comics.
how many years is near to you duck? 10, 15, 20 or 1000 years?Read it again.
near future
Oh good.
If only hardness of material helped in any way with providing flight capabilities, fitting weapons, providing repulsors or protection levels.
50-100.
Fair one, tbh I missed him say near.
3D printers should help speed up technological advances around the world. Imagine receiving tangible goods through a phone line, everyone could own one and contribute toward the real world with concepts and physical ideas.
Possibly.
But they still won't provide repulsors or change the laws of physics.
Indeed they wont but they will certainly be able to construct the housing for the repulsor and various components, just the fuel cell to worry about. I have great faith in 3D printing.
I think you are vastly underrating the vast potential of high technology to solve insurmountable problems and change the very laws of physics. I believe all it would take to overcome all of the barriers you list are sufficient supplies of unobtainium. A fully functioning Ironman suit is definitely more of a challenge than designing a cell phone, but, with the improper application of Moore's law, it should be no problemo. The only question will be if anyone will buy one when teleporters are so damned cheap!Oh let's see...
Flight.
Most of the weapons.
Protection levels.
Repulsors.
Power.
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I regularly converse with the CEO of Spackman Mining Industries.I think you are vastly underrating the vast potential of high technology to solve insurmountable problems and change the very laws of physics. I believe all it would take to overcome all of the barriers you list are sufficient supplies of unobtainium. A fully functioning Ironman suit is definitely more of a challenge than designing a cell phone, but, with the improper application of Moore's law, it should be no problemo. The only question will be if anyone will buy one when teleporters are so damned cheap!
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Unobtainium is,at the moment, in extremely short supply and any foreseeable supplies are already earmarked.
There is, and will be, none available for such frivolous endeavours.
Just out of curiosity, why SHOULD we create an Iron Man suit in the first place? What does it actually offer us?
I get that people think it's cool or whatever (Iron Man was my favorite comic hero long before the movies were announced), but the truth is that it serves no real purpose.
Nor did the pyramids, I think. The suit might be useful to the military, skunk works etc.
No it wouldn't. The future of military actions is to REMOVE humans from the equation. The biggest design problem of the suit is having to accommodate the squishy pink critter flying it.
The Pyramids have nothing whatsoever to do with an Iron Man suit so I don't see the point of bringing them up.
Err I'm pretty sure on Ironman 3 the suit was able to fly without stark inside and the point about the pyramids is the same as the suit, what purpose did they serve, what did they actually offer?
Like... Drones?
Divine reasons... in other words, misled people doing something purposelessly because they believed it had a purpose.
What greater monument to your corpse than the biggest tomb in the world?
Drones yes but super mega power drones, and that pyramid scam Sounds like a right swindle!!
Meh... kinda... In fairness, it provided excellent employment opportunities and really helped their economy at the time.
Well if it works at the time it fits! Its a shame mostly only rock survived the years after their empire moved on, I would loved to have seen some of their plans etc.
Getting off topic, here.
But man... You are so right about that. It's funny how humans can be so amazing and genius and so stupid at the same damned time.
indeed, back on topic..
Whether there is a need for a man to enter the suit is here nor there but would there be need of such a powerful drone then? I guess If could speed things up then I'm for it.
Powerful drones already exist. So, why would we want them to be man-shaped? It's not exactly an aerodynamic form. Military applications aside, the real reason for an Iron Man would be, in my opinion, based around search and rescue or venturing into hazardous areas after a natural disaster. This could be more easily accomplished by something which assumes a form for which the structure around it was intended. Could make navigation easier and, possibly, the shock of contact with a victim less frightening. Even then, the whole idea is to get people OUT of danger, not put people into danger. So putting a man inside doesn't improve the suit.
If this was the case I suggest an android that is capable of flight and can blend in like a human. What's the point in having a production made drone/android if its not at hand to save the day, they would be better off walking amongst us.
Now we're into some Asimov stuff, not Stan Lee.
Stark only entered the suit the first time round to escape the scallywags of the dessert, perhaps he didn't need to make a version for a man when he returned but then the film may as well have been called - "The Good Terminator, that flies."
Remember the good ol' days of Robo-cop? Some shooting, a bad plot and lots and lots of ridiculous looking blood.
When did everything get so complicated?
Of course, if the special effects industry had been up to it at the time we might have had a more faithful-to-the-novel version of Starship Troopers on the big screen...
Starship troopers 4 is an animated cartoon
Starship Troopers: Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you were an actor... Would you have been willing to star in it?Starship troopers 4 is an animated cartoon
Starship Troopers: Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Only if there was lots of heavy petting involved!
See...
In spite of protests... this is exactly why a dislike post option really should be enabled. If I need to click it- I don't need to explain why.
http://www.thescienceforum.com/site-...?daysprune=365
Well don't ask a stupid question you fool.If you were an actor... Would you have been willing to star in it?Starship troopers 4 is an animated cartoon
Starship Troopers: Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I couldn't help it.
hmmmm, I apologise then for my comment, but IF I could go into cartoon format and IF I can star in ST4 then my answer would be"hooRahhh......DO YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER!!!!" Followed by me charging at the TV set.
I'm one of the few lowbrow folks that enjoyed the first movie. Somewhat.hmmmm, I apologise then for my comment, but IF I could go into cartoon format and IF I can star in ST4 then my answer would be"hooRahhh......DO YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER!!!!" Followed by me charging at the TV set
The way I see it- that's where it should have ended. Everything after that was "B" movie and that they lastly went to digitally animating was what led me to ask that question.
I would have turned a role in that down... Four movies of people shooting bugs?
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