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Thread: 6 Shocking Studies That Prove Science Is Totally Broken

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    Cracked.com

    Now I know it's a popular comedy website, but they do include relevant links to articles about the things they're discussing. The validity of those articles, however, is something I can't comment on.

    Anyway, one of today's Cracked.com articles is "6 Shocking Studies That Prove Science Is Totally Broken" which may be good for a laugh, or thought-provoking, or somewhere in-between.


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    Good thing the writers had the technology that connects the entire world and enabled them to make a website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Good thing the writers had the technology that connects the entire world and enabled them to make a website.
    Their next article - "You will be shocked by these crazy reasons the Internet doesn't work at all!"
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    wtf did i just read... what was all that nonsense?!
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    But I can't use the internet to read about how science is broken because science is broken!
    Instead, I'll have to leave my centrally heated, double-glazed home and get into my car and use my GPS to find where you live and have you tell me in person.
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    To address the first point in the article:

    "Frighteningly enough, it's because most medical research is bullshit.
    Don't take our word for it -- listen to Dr. John Ioannidis and his team of celebrated meta-researchers. Their job is to comb through all these awesome-sounding medical studies to assess their validity. And, surprise: Up to 90 percent are critically flawed in some way or another. "


    This has been addressed twice by experts:
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    Ioannidis's 2005 paper "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False" has been the most downloaded technical paper from the journal PLoS Medicine. Statisticians Goodman and Greenland agreed that "many medical research findings are less definitive than readers suspect" but found major flaws in Ioannidis's methods, noting that Ioannidis (who did not collaborate with any statisticians on the article) appeared to have confused alpha level with p value and also built the assumption that most findings are likely to be false into his reasoning, thereby making his logic circular. Therefore Goodman and Greenland rejected Ioannidis' claim as unsupportable by the methods used.
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    In an advance access publication on September 25, 2013 Leah R. Jager of the US Naval Academy's Department of Mathematics and Jeffrey T. Leek of John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health's Department of Biostatistics did a study based on P-values from all 77,430 papers published in 5 major medical journals from 2000 to 2010 and found that "the overall rate of false discoveries among reported results is 14%, contrary to previous claims. We also found that there is not a significant increase in the estimated rate of reported false discovery results over time". The two concluded that "Statistical analysis must allow for false discoveries in order to make claims on the basis of noisy data. But our analysis suggests that the medical literature remains a reliable record of scientific progress."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    But I can't use the internet to read about how science is broken...
    It may not be because science is broken. Are you using IE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Are you using IE?
    How DARE you!!
    And after all I've done for you! (Well, ok, all I did was write a limerick.)
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    "Science tends to require the use of numbers. And while most of us probably have a tough time figuring out what all those numbers and letters and Greek symbols in algebra equations are supposed to mean, we're content to leave it to the experts to do all the understanding for us. Man, it would be hilariously terrifying if those experts turned out to be as clueless as the rest of us, wouldn't it?"

    That was goofy. Does anyone review papers outside physics/math?
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    Medical science is obviously not all bullshit. There are some diseases that are successfully treated now that wouldn't have been just a few years ago. Nevertheless, there is a lot of bullshit out there. Some is due to faulty research, some is due to incompetent science reporting. The research papers may include the proper caveats, but then some science writer still breathlessly reports some meaningless correlation.

    I have had a urologist recommend that I avoid coffee, to prevent kidney stones. You can find articles on the internet that say coffee increases your risk for kidney stones, but then you can find other articles saying coffee prevents kidney stones. These two pieces of advice cannot be simultaneously true. I drink coffee, because I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I have had a urologist recommend that I avoid coffee, to prevent kidney stones. You can find articles on the internet that say coffee increases your risk for kidney stones, but then you can find other articles saying coffee prevents kidney stones. These two pieces of advice cannot be simultaneously true.
    yes they can both be true, since the end result could be contingent on quantity, timing, and concentration of the coffee.
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    I only took a glance but it seems most of the "broken" part lies with poor journalism when it comes to science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I have had a urologist recommend that I avoid coffee, to prevent kidney stones. You can find articles on the internet that say coffee increases your risk for kidney stones, but then you can find other articles saying coffee prevents kidney stones. These two pieces of advice cannot be simultaneously true.
    Sure they can be.

    One person says water can save your life; if you are stuck in the desert, water can mean the difference between life or death. Another person says water can kill you, and points to deaths from people drinking too much water. Can they both be right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Medical science is obviously not all bullshit. There are some diseases that are successfully treated now that wouldn't have been just a few years ago. Nevertheless, there is a lot of bullshit out there. Some is due to faulty research, some is due to incompetent science reporting. The research papers may include the proper caveats, but then some science writer still breathlessly reports some meaningless correlation.

    I have had a urologist recommend that I avoid coffee, to prevent kidney stones. You can find articles on the internet that say coffee increases your risk for kidney stones, but then you can find other articles saying coffee prevents kidney stones. These two pieces of advice cannot be simultaneously true. I drink coffee, because I like it.
    I think you make a good point, I have so much problem at time knowing what to take for real. I think some studies should as a standard explain that the study they did on the topic is related to another study on the same topic and explain the connection. I do not think I have properly though my idea out, but it should reflect a direction of action.
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