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    Hey, I'm new here so I thought I'd say hello. I am a student currently living in the U.S. with ambitions to travel to England. I am interested in all forms of science, chiefly biology (esp. genetics) and physics. Outside of "official" studies, I guess you could call me a dabbler. I am also an atheist and a huge admirer of Richard Dawkins, having just finished his book, "The God Delusion". This forum is the closest thing I've found to an online scientific community, so I'm looking forward to some interesting discussion.


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    Welcome to the Science Forum Alan. (If you ever want to start a thread on Dawkins I'll happily take the other side of the fence - any opportunity to point out that his own stance on science is as dogmatic, self righteous and ultimately flawed as the most fundamentalist Christian's is on religion. ) Enjoy your stay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Welcome to the Science Forum Alan. (If you ever want to start a thread on Dawkins I'll happily take the other side of the fence - any opportunity to point out that his own stance on science is as dogmatic, self righteous and ultimately flawed as the most fundamentalist Christian's is on religion. ) Enjoy your stay.
    Welcome Alan. Agreed O.

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    I wonder why people need to read books on how to be an athiest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoryofrelativity
    I wonder why people need to read books on how to be an athiest?
    insecurity is the foundation of the human mind.
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    I once read a book on how to be a pornographic film star. It's been working out well for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    I once read a book on how to be a pornographic film star. It's been working out well for me.
    let's just hope that you are a homosexual porn star

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    Welcome, Alan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Welcome to the Science Forum Alan. (If you ever want to start a thread on Dawkins I'll happily take the other side of the fence - any opportunity to point out that his own stance on science is as dogmatic, self righteous and ultimately flawed as the most fundamentalist Christian's is on religion. ) Enjoy your stay.
    I go back and forth a bit on Dawkins. I think he does clearly go overboard but he does make some *excellent* points as well.
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    He can be a little extreme—every faith has its radicals after all—but I think he presents many good points on the functionality and role of religion, or lack of thereof. I do, of course, recognize his bias.

    As for his book, I don't exactly view it as a "guide" to atheism, but more as tantamount to any scientific essay or theory, since it's presented as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan

    As for his book, I don't exactly view it as a "guide" to atheism, but more as tantamount to any scientific essay or theory, since it's presented as such.
    well you presented it like it was your Bible.

    hello I am Alan and I am a born again athiest, my leader is R Dawkins and I read the bibl.......er his book.

    It's good to see someone so devout in their non belief of something.

    *******

    Hello I am ToR, I don't believe in invisible pink unicorns, read really good book about their non existance, it's really good. It helps confirm that I should not believe in them. Without this book, I might believe in them.

    Sorry, it's that time of the month.

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    Well, for a scientific community, you sure are making a lot of unfounded connections--I'm looking at the post above this. Thanks for the welcoming and all, but seriously, I am not that dependent on a book for religious opinion. Shoot, if I was, I might as well go out and buy the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's certainly much more fun sounding than any other religion I've heard of.

    Seeing as you have a "Religion" board, I thought I might as well share mine as well as an author I happen to enjoy. I certainly did not present it like it was my Bible, and without the slightest intention of starting a religious debate, although unlike many religious folks I know, I am fully willing to debate my religious stance.

    Enjoying a book is not the same as worshiping it. If it appeared so in my introduction, that would be due to my ineptitude in writing, not because I'm a book sheep.
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    Dawkins has to be taken with a grain of salt. I've watched many of his video's online just for the hilarity. Sometimes he fails to make adequate points, other times he does, but overall he needs more comedy in his act.

    And I agree with Alan. Jesus christ you guys can be presumptuous cocks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremyhfht
    And I agree with Alan. Jesus christ you guys can be presumptuous cocks
    even the women ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Well, technically, women are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan
    Well, for a scientific community, you sure are making a lot of unfounded connections--I'm looking at the post above this. Thanks for the welcoming and all, but seriously, I am not that dependent on a book for religious opinion. Shoot, if I was, I might as well go out and buy the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's certainly much more fun sounding than any other religion I've heard of.

    Seeing as you have a "Religion" board, I thought I might as well share mine as well as an author I happen to enjoy. I certainly did not present it like it was my Bible, and without the slightest intention of starting a religious debate, although unlike many religious folks I know, I am fully willing to debate my religious stance.

    Enjoying a book is not the same as worshiping it. If it appeared so in my introduction, that would be due to my ineptitude in writing, not because I'm a book sheep.
    Saying anything in relation to religion in this place is bound to stir up some drama. Please don't judge us all on a few posts by a few people.

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    Nice to meet you Alan, and welcome from another atheist living in the USA, but originating from England. I look forward to reading your views on science topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunbury
    welcome from another atheist
    yeh, and welcome from a fellow non believer of invisible pink unicorns.

    Should I list everything I don't believe in I wonder?

    religious atheists whatever next........

    Jesting aside I do rather like Star Trek Voyager...*must edit that into my introduction*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    If you ever want to start a thread on Dawkins I'll happily take the other side of the fence - any opportunity to point out that his own stance on science is as dogmatic, self righteous and ultimately flawed as the most fundamentalist Christian's is on religion.
    Point out, fallaciously, of course.
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    Welcome Alan, from an atheist actually in the UK right now.

    I too love reading Richard Dawkins, but prefer his more science/evolution related works. I think The God Delusion's a good read, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    Welcome Alan, from an atheist actually in the UK right now.

    I too love reading Richard Dawkins, but prefer his more science/evolution related works. I think The God Delusion's a good read, though.
    Why is it a good read? What exactly is the point of it other than annoying believers?
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    Why is it so that religious people can't stand people questioning religion?

    By the way, welcome Alan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Why is it so that religious people can't stand people questioning religion?
    Because it is insulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
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    Why is it so that religious people can't stand people questioning religion?
    Because it is insulting.
    I don't think so. Everything should be allowed to be questioned, not necessarily insulted though. It's only healthy to try and work out differences. Religion shouldn't be entitled to have some form of superior respect and isolate itself from critique and questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
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    Why is it so that religious people can't stand people questioning religion?
    Because it is insulting.
    I don't think so. Everything should be allowed to be questioned, not necessarily insulted though. It's only healthy to try and work out differences. Religion shouldn't be entitled to have some form of superior respect and isolate itself from critique and questions.
    How can you say that it is not insulting if you are not religious?
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    If you want we can discuss it here:

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/Is-Re...pect-9526t.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    Welcome Alan, from an atheist actually in the UK right now.

    I too love reading Richard Dawkins, but prefer his more science/evolution related works. I think The God Delusion's a good read, though.
    Why is it a good read? What exactly is the point of it other than annoying believers?
    1. His prose style is usually impeccable

    2. Even when going over a topic that has been gone over many times previously, he manages to bring in fresh ways of looking at them

    3. He makes some very important moral points: why do we not call early religious indoctrination child abuse? for instance

    4. Whilst it doesn't apply to me (having been an 'out' atheist for nigh on 30 years now) I can see how the book could help younger people, particularly in less tolerant countries like the US where atheists can be considered positively evil, who might need intellectual and emotional support to enable them to think outside the rigid rules of their suffocating society and its pressures.

    5. Because I believe that thoughtful people of faith will get the opportunity to examine their beliefs and, even if not abandoning them, at least emerge clear-minded about the way in which they hold to their faiths.

    Of course, this is my perspective. I appreciate that some people cannot see a questioning of their beliefs without taking it personally - these are people I would sedulously avoid voting for as I would not trust their reliability as public figures.

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    I might have read it if he didn't call it 'THE GOD DELUSION'. He should realise that with faith people cannot doubt or look at that stuff, he should have thought of that more before he published it. I think his anger management issues ran away with the spoon when he thought of that title. I certainly won't read it with that title. They say don't judge a book by the cover, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I might have read it if he didn't call it 'THE GOD DELUSION'. He should realise that with faith people cannot doubt or look at that stuff, he should have thought of that more before he published it. I think his anger management issues ran away with the spoon when he thought of that title. I certainly won't read it with that title. They say don't judge a book by the cover, but...
    But Willmer

    All you're saying here is that you, and perhaps other people of faith, have a blind spot with regard to your religion: but that's hardly a valid reason for levelling criticism the other way is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I might have read it if he didn't call it 'THE GOD DELUSION'. He should realise that with faith people cannot doubt or look at that stuff, he should have thought of that more before he published it. I think his anger management issues ran away with the spoon when he thought of that title. I certainly won't read it with that title. They say don't judge a book by the cover, but...
    But Willmer

    All you're saying here is that you, and perhaps other people of faith, have a blind spot with regard to your religion: but that's hardly a valid reason for levelling criticism the other way is it?
    Is it?
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    Not that dawkins' book qualifies as the atheist bible, but, sv, atheists've all read your book. Why don't you read theirs? At least put it on your list. Ignorance is denial of access. Stupidity is refusing to access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I might have read it if he didn't call it 'THE GOD DELUSION'. He should realise that with faith people cannot doubt or look at that stuff, he should have thought of that more before he published it. I think his anger management issues ran away with the spoon when he thought of that title. I certainly won't read it with that title. They say don't judge a book by the cover, but...
    But Willmer

    All you're saying here is that you, and perhaps other people of faith, have a blind spot with regard to your religion: but that's hardly a valid reason for levelling criticism the other way is it?
    Is it?
    You tell me. Do you think your own, apparently acknowledged, blind spot in this matter gives you a reasonable basis for arguing against anything that does not conform to its requirements? You might claim that it's personal or a matter of the way in which you see things - but that is little different from saying it's a matter of taste, and de gustibus non disputandem est. Where's the reasoned out argument to come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I might have read it if he didn't call it 'THE GOD DELUSION'. He should realise that with faith people cannot doubt or look at that stuff, he should have thought of that more before he published it. I think his anger management issues ran away with the spoon when he thought of that title. I certainly won't read it with that title. They say don't judge a book by the cover, but...
    But Willmer

    All you're saying here is that you, and perhaps other people of faith, have a blind spot with regard to your religion: but that's hardly a valid reason for levelling criticism the other way is it?
    Is it?
    You tell me. Do you think your own, apparently acknowledged, blind spot in this matter gives you a reasonable basis for arguing against anything that does not conform to its requirements? You might claim that it's personal or a matter of the way in which you see things - but that is little different from saying it's a matter of taste, and de gustibus non disputandem est. Where's the reasoned out argument to come from?
    This argument can be open or closed ended so there really is no point in continiung.
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