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  1. #1 Spirituality, and Science, are connected 
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    I am Ibiba, an African. i do not believe in religion but i have a firm belief in Spiritual knowledge; i believe that real Spiritual knowledge can give higher insight to many a mysterious phenomena that has puzzled science over the years. If we can discuss with open hearts, we will find explained, so many phenomena that have puzzled science with the HOW and WHENCE? I am not a 'trained' formal scientist, i simple draw inwardly from nature with the guidance of a knowledge 'handed' down to me. We can discuss the 'Big Bang', Nuclear energy, the Earth's atmosphere and warming, diseases etc. All discussed as scientific topic but with a spiritual foundation. For example, how is that humans can walk erect? Why we (humans) or other bodies don't fall of the surface of the earth, considering especially those at the equator and below.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    but i have a firm belief in Spiritual knowledge
    Believe what you like. But there's no such thing as "spiritual knowledge"..

    i believe that real Spiritual knowledge can give higher insight to many a mysterious phenomena that has puzzled science over the years.
    Highly unlikely. Can you give any examples?

    i simple draw inwardly from nature with the guidance of a knowledge 'handed' down to me.
    In other words not science and probably not verifiable.

    All discussed as scientific topic but with a spiritual foundation.
    Here's the problem: science and spirituality are only connected because they're both practised by humans.
    "Spirituality" doesn't give scientific results.

    Why we (humans) or other bodies don't fall of the surface of the earth, considering especially those at the equator and below.
    Er, yeah....


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    For example, how is that humans can walk erect?
    We just copied the gorillas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    I am Ibiba, an African. i do not believe in religion but i have a firm belief in Spiritual knowledge; i believe that real Spiritual knowledge can give higher insight to many a mysterious phenomena that has puzzled science over the years. If we can discuss with open hearts, we will find explained, so many phenomena that have puzzled science with the HOW and WHENCE? I am not a 'trained' formal scientist, i simple draw inwardly from nature with the guidance of a knowledge 'handed' down to me. We can discuss the 'Big Bang', Nuclear energy, the Earth's atmosphere and warming, diseases etc. All discussed as scientific topic but with a spiritual foundation. For example, how is that humans can walk erect? Why we (humans) or other bodies don't fall of the surface of the earth, considering especially those at the equator and below.
    Hi Ibiba, so nice to welcome you on the forum. I notice your topic and would like to tell you before you get caught up in the rush from many members on the forum you should know that this topic or what ever has to do with spirit is not welcomed on the forum. It is widely accepted that science will not embrace metaphysics or spirit. However, the other topics are OK but you should be careful about science and spirit. Take it easy and work your way in there is always someone to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    For example, how is that humans can walk erect?
    We just copied the gorillas.

    How is that Gorillas walk upright? your answer seems a bit light, did they copy humans? Lol.
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    Thanks for your response. Ok, consider this; if you are watching a 2.00pm soccer match between Chelsea and Liverpool on a sunny summer day, you take a look at your digital wrist watch and it says, 10.00pm. What are the indicators that your time piece is telling the wrong time? With what consciousness do we query our time piece? Lets address this question and we'll progress from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Thanks for your response. Ok, consider this; if you are watching a 2.00pm soccer match between Chelsea and Liverpool on a sunny summer day, you take a look at your digital wrist watch and it says, 10.00pm. What are the indicators that your time piece is telling the wrong time? With what consciousness do we query our time piece? Lets address this question and we'll progress from there.
    I have no idea what sort of point you're working toward - or, more accurately, what point you think you're working toward.
    But, briefly put: what time of day it is decided by consensus (or the atomic clock).
    Ergo, if everyone else is of the opinion that it's 2 PM (as indicated by the footie match) then your watch, if it says different, must be wrong.
    It's not like having an incorrect watch is an Earth-shattering discovery.
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    That's why I do not attend soccer games, my watch could be off.
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    Hi Ibiba

    I dont know what you mean by Spiritual (spirits?), I assume you are making references to cultural elements in your social environment.


    " equator and below."

    There's no below, associating the northern hemisphere with "up" is a cultural reference that can be convenient as a reference (easier to recognize shapes if they are always presented in the same and made-to-be-familiar orientation) but it is arbitrary, we might as well wonder why we are not falling down towards the north while people in Antarctica are resting on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    i believe that real Spiritual knowledge can give higher insight to many a mysterious phenomena that has puzzled science over the years. If we can discuss with open hearts, we will find explained, so many phenomena that have puzzled science with the HOW and WHENCE?
    Still waiting for examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Thanks for your response. Ok, consider this; if you are watching a 2.00pm soccer match between Chelsea and Liverpool on a sunny summer day, you take a look at your digital wrist watch and it says, 10.00pm. What are the indicators that your time piece is telling the wrong time? With what consciousness do we query our time piece? Lets address this question and we'll progress from there.
    You could take a look at the sun and its position to verify the time. if you are conscious of the sun that is, if you are not, I do not know how you would tell that your watch is wrong. Anyone can be easily fooled if you are not conscious of a marker like the sun.
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    Gorillas need all four to move and can not sustain erect posture in most situations. For all animals, their NATURAL posture is with their head 'bowed' and their abdomen forming parallel line with the earth or even touching it. Some animals like the Gorillas perform some 'mimicry' actions but does keep it. Parrots says 'hello'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Gorillas need all four to move and can not sustain erect posture in most situations. For all animals, their NATURAL posture is with their head 'bowed' and their abdomen forming parallel line with the earth or even touching it. Some animals like the Gorillas perform some 'mimicry' actions but does keep it. Parrots says 'hello'.
    Ibiba, you should press quote when you want to address someone personally, that way we know who you are addressing. You can also type the name if you want. The way you have responded is you are talking to everyone.
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    Good! So, upon what was your wrist watch or similar time machines invented? I guess, human knowledge, science and technology. I guess that we humans, globally depend or rely on our invented times machines for our daily lives; business, communication, travels, medication etc.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Good! So, upon what was your wrist watch or similar time machines invented?
    What do you mean by "upon what was a watch invented"?
    It was a culmination of technologies, to serve a perceived need.

    I guess, human knowledge, science and technology. I guess that we humans, globally depend or rely on our invented times machines for our daily lives; business, communication, travels, medication etc.?
    And your point here would be...? What, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Good! So, upon what was your wrist watch or similar time machines invented? I guess, human knowledge, science and technology. I guess that we humans, globally depend or rely on our invented times machines for our daily lives; business, communication, travels, medication etc.?
    The watch was not necessary as a tool, but the time, as a moment in time was observed by the cycle of the sun. Technology just put numbers to the position of the sun and invented a machine to reflect the moment in time.

    Ibiba, look at the right of your screen you will see a caption marked "quote" Then you see a curved arrow, and another caption marked multiple quotes. if you press quote when you want to answer someone, the post will be repeated and you can know the person you are responding to. Try it out even if you do not get it the first time. I will help you to get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    I guess that we humans, globally depend or rely on our invented times machines for our daily lives; business, communication, travels, medication etc.?
    I am astounded that you don't know the answer to that question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    The watch was not necessary as a tool
    Ok - so that's two of you with no grasp of history.

    "A major stimulus to improving the accuracy and reliability of clocks was the importance of precise time-keeping for navigation. The position of a ship at sea could be determined with reasonable accuracy if a navigator could refer to a clock that lost or gained less than about 10 seconds per day. This clock could not contain a pendulum, which would be virtually useless on a rocking ship. The British government offered a large prize to the value of 20,000 pounds, for anyone who could determine longitude accurately after the Scilly naval disaster of 1707. The reward was eventually claimed in 1761 by John Harrison, who dedicated his life to improving the accuracy of his clocks."

    Imagine how much money 20 grand was 300 years ago - that should convey how important clocks were.
    And since then, they have only become more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    I am astounded that you don't know the answer to that question.
    Well, given that it was posted by someone who thinks that people "below" the equator should fall off the Earth, and that they don't because of "spirituality"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    That's why I do not attend soccer games, my watch could be off.
    A good soccer game is timeless anyways, the teamwork and raw talent sometimes joining in a common spiritual experience with other cheering fans.
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    ...and then the Germans win on a penalty shoot out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Gorillas need all four to move and can not sustain erect posture in most situations. For all animals, their NATURAL posture is with their head 'bowed' and their abdomen forming parallel line with the earth or even touching it. Some animals like the Gorillas perform some 'mimicry' actions but does keep it. Parrots says 'hello'.
    Birds dont have stomachs parallel to the ground or have their head bowed - cats and dogs heads are not bowed neither are giraffes, elephants, crocodiles, snakes...I could be here sometime......

    But welcome - which part of Africa are you from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    The watch was not necessary as a tool
    Ok - so that's two of you with no grasp of history.

    "A major stimulus to improving the accuracy and reliability of clocks was the importance of precise time-keeping for navigation. The position of a ship at sea could be determined with reasonable accuracy if a navigator could refer to a clock that lost or gained less than about 10 seconds per day. This clock could not contain a pendulum, which would be virtually useless on a rocking ship. The British government offered a large prize to the value of 20,000 pounds, for anyone who could determine longitude accurately after the Scilly naval disaster of 1707. The reward was eventually claimed in 1761 by John Harrison, who dedicated his life to improving the accuracy of his clocks."

    Imagine how much money 20 grand was 300 years ago - that should convey how important clocks were.
    And since then, they have only become more important.
    So what happened before they had clocks, the world stood still? Your grasp is so limited at time, it seems to have no imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stargate View Post
    So what happened before they had clocks, the world stood still?
    Learn to read:
    "A major stimulus to improving the accuracy and reliability of clocks was the importance of precise time-keeping for navigation."


    Your grasp is so limited at time, it seems to have no imagination.
    And you prove how stupid you are with every post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Gorillas need all four to move and can not sustain erect posture in most situations. For all animals, their NATURAL posture is with their head 'bowed' and their abdomen forming parallel line with the earth or even touching it. Some animals like the Gorillas perform some 'mimicry' actions but does keep it. Parrots says 'hello'.
    Although some animals, like humans, are able to stand on two legs for long periods, my natural posture is being slouched down on a sofa clutching the remote/beer.

    Animal posture is down to evolution, not spirituality. But I think you’ll need to explain clearly what your definition is for ‘Spirituality’?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    But I think you’ll need to explain clearly what your definition is for ‘Spirituality’?

    It seems to boil down to "magic", as the spiritual is used to explain what the O.P. cannot explain (as demonstrated above).

    A more elegant definition of the concept:
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    The spiritual is any experience which give us an awareness of and a connection with a perceived pattern within the universe that generates awe and wonder on account of its elegance and surprise and the recognition that while it is bigger than us we are part of it.
    (cf. post #4)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ibiba View Post
    Gorillas need all four to move and can not sustain erect posture in most situations. For all animals, their NATURAL posture is with their head 'bowed' and their abdomen forming parallel line with the earth or even touching it. Some animals like the Gorillas perform some 'mimicry' actions but does keep it. Parrots says 'hello'.
    Although some animals, like humans, are able to stand on two legs for long periods, my natural posture is being slouched down on a sofa clutching the remote/beer.

    Animal posture is down to evolution, not spirituality. But I think you’ll need to explain clearly what your definition is for ‘Spirituality’?
    You sound like a very poor specimen of the species Homo sapiens sapiens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    You sound like a very poor specimen of the species Homo sapiens sapiens.
    And if you had better than a room-temperature IQ you'd be able to use quotes properly (or simply quote the correct post) enough to show just who you were referring to with that comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    You sound like a very poor specimen of the species Homo sapiens sapiens.
    And if you had better than a room-temperature IQ you'd be able to use quotes properly (or simply quote the correct post) enough to show just who you were referring to with that comment.
    You didn't need to take it personally.
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