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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Just out of curiosity, where are the actual rules for this forum posted. I know I read them once but now I can't find them. I think the link needs to be more obvious.

    @Robbitybob1, it is my understanding that no one is to discuss the contents of PMs received from other members without clear consent from the sending member.
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    ut in that it says there are also "Unwritten Rules" so you might have to guess what they are.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Just out of curiosity, where are the actual rules for this forum posted. I know I read them once but now I can't find them. I think the link needs to be more obvious.

    @Robbitybob1, it is my understanding that no one is to discuss the contents of PMs received from other members without clear consent from the sending member.
    Second button in at the top "Forum Guidelines"
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    ut in that it says there are also "Unwritten Rules" so you might have to guess what they are.
    I remember when I first joined reading over some very articulate well defined rules. The ones in that link seem to be just a synopsis.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Just out of curiosity, where are the actual rules for this forum posted. I know I read them once but now I can't find them. I think the link needs to be more obvious.

    @Robbitybob1, it is my understanding that no one is to discuss the contents of PMs received from other members without clear consent from the sending member.
    Second button in at the top "Forum Guidelines"
    The Science Forum Guidelines

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    ut in that it says there are also "Unwritten Rules" so you might have to guess what they are.
    I remember when I first joined reading over some very articulate well defined rules. The ones in that link seem to be just a synopsis.
    You could be right, the ones you agree to at registration, but I think they covered more liability and copy write issues.
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    I think the clue to this is that any message must not be "violative of any laws".

    And using the word post means principally post in the forum as opposed to send in a PM. But I might be wrong about that But there certainly is a different set of laws governing the content of private mail as opposed to public posts on the forum. Maybe a moderator will comment on this aspect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post

    That was a very biased view of Robittybob1 made by Tranquille.

    Throughout the Bible God spoke to the prophets and others via dreams, so I write about the dreams I consider inspired.

    Look it is easy to say negative things about me, but who knows what people write about in PMs to each other? Do you? Are there rules around the content of PMs? I can't recall them actually but one thing that was made certain to me years ago and that is you don't disclose anything another person has said in a PM. Does that rule apply here too?

    These Science forums don't just discuss science, there are subsections for a variety of topics. It will be a matter of finding the right subsection for the Beautiful Christian Songs thread.
    In other words, you want to treat this forum like your blog as well, just as you have done and been banned for from other forums. My view of you isn't biased. It is based off my experience of you on other sites. You try and treat each one like your personal blog with the exact same thread. From what I read about your "inspired dreams", they are nothing more than you trying to hit on women, your "god told me you were the one" BS is nothing more than BS you use to try to get women to tell you personal information about themselves. Every single one of us who has seen you post on other forums can attest to the exact same thing. We have all seen you do it time and again.

    A moderator told you no, and canned your thread to the trashcan. I think it's a fair enough assumption that it isn't welcome here based on the fact that they closed it and put it in the trashcan with a giant purple message of 'we don't want it here'. So why do you keep trying?

    Your PM's were posted in that thread after you kept demanding she post them and giving her permission to post them. It clearly corroborated what she was saying all along. That you sexually harassed her, which was further corroborated by your sexually harassing other women in public where all could see. She also said that she had been posting all of your messages to her to the moderators, and from what I could see in that thread, none of them corroborated your claims at all. On the contrary, they all thought you were sexually harassing her and other women who posted there as well.

    You've pulled these stunts on all the forums you go to. Yet you still can't see that it isn't everyone else who is wrong or at fault. How many forums have you been banned from now? You had the chance to start fresh here. But you go back to the exact same unwelcome behavior that saw you banned from other forums. Think about it, mate. It's not everyone else who is wrong.

    It's you.
     

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    I think its clear to everyone that Robbitybob1 was banned for behaving badly at another forum. While I don't approve of the behavior he is accused of, nor have I bothered to acquaint myself with the happenings regarding the behavior over at sciforums, I think Kalster did well to remind us all that this is not sciforums. This is TSF. If Robbitybob1 or anyone else does something inappropriate here, we should just report it and move on.

    Constantly dragging this out and berating him about what he did at the other forums is as much harassment as is the behavior he was accused of.

    Can't everyone just drop it and move on?

    Kalster did suggest that you two put each other on mutual ignore. Maybe, you should both follow that advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post

    That was a very biased view of Robittybob1 made by Tranquille.

    Throughout the Bible God spoke to the prophets and others via dreams, so I write about the dreams I consider inspired.

    Look it is easy to say negative things about me, but who knows what people write about in PMs to each other? Do you? Are there rules around the content of PMs? I can't recall them actually but one thing that was made certain to me years ago and that is you don't disclose anything another person has said in a PM. Does that rule apply here too?

    These Science forums don't just discuss science, there are subsections for a variety of topics. It will be a matter of finding the right subsection for the Beautiful Christian Songs thread.
    In other words, you want to treat this forum like your blog as well, just as you have done and been banned for from other forums. My view of you isn't biased. It is based off my experience of you on other sites. You try and treat each one like your personal blog with the exact same thread. From what I read about your "inspired dreams", they are nothing more than you trying to hit on women, your "god told me you were the one" BS is nothing more than BS you use to try to get women to tell you personal information about themselves. Every single one of us who has seen you post on other forums can attest to the exact same thing. We have all seen you do it time and again.

    A moderator told you no, and canned your thread to the trashcan. I think it's a fair enough assumption that it isn't welcome here based on the fact that they closed it and put it in the trashcan with a giant purple message of 'we don't want it here'. So why do you keep trying?

    Your PM's were posted in that thread after you kept demanding she post them and giving her permission to post them. It clearly corroborated what she was saying all along. That you sexually harassed her, which was further corroborated by your sexually harassing other women in public where all could see. She also said that she had been posting all of your messages to her to the moderators, and from what I could see in that thread, none of them corroborated your claims at all. On the contrary, they all thought you were sexually harassing her and other women who posted there as well.

    You've pulled these stunts on all the forums you go to. Yet you still can't see that it isn't everyone else who is wrong or at fault. How many forums have you been banned from now? You had the chance to start fresh here. But you go back to the exact same unwelcome behavior that saw you banned from other forums. Think about it, mate. It's not everyone else who is wrong.

    It's you.
    In the Forum Guidelines it clearly states that you shouldn't try and influence the moderators through posts.
    In section 1. ".... Do not make a post or threat about it. It is not your duty as a member to remind moderators of their duties, or to advice a topic to be moved or closed. If you feel the moderators have missed something, PM them. ..."

    I have no problem with Bells posting the PMs that she did. I only asked her to post all of our PMs in entirety not just some of them.
    The whole situation between her and I would have been more evident then. Did you note that I had asked for this?

    I will not discuss "other women" for I don't have their permission to do so.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I think its clear to everyone that Robbitybob1 was banned for behaving badly at another forum. While I don't approve of the behavior he is accused of, nor have I bothered to acquaint myself with the happenings regarding the behavior over at sciforums, I think Kalster did well to remind us all that this is not sciforums. This is TSF. If Robbitybob1 or anyone else does something inappropriate here, we should just report it and move on.

    Constantly dragging this out and berating him about what he did at the other forums is as much harassment as is the behavior he was accused of.

    Can't everyone just drop it and move on?

    Kalster did suggest that you two put each other on mutual ignore. Maybe, you should both follow that advice.
    I will not admit to behaving badly on Sciforums, but OK my behavior was noted and some took exception, and even when I explained the reasoning for it, it didn't make much difference.

    Now I had initially asked for moderator help in the Christian Songs thread and Kalster was the first moderator to appear and seemed to OK it with reservations but later it was trashed by another. I found that a bit confusing. So I am abiding by the rules and PM-ing the moderator to see if the thread can be opened up again.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    In the Forum Guidelines it clearly states that you shouldn't try and influence the moderators through posts.
    In section 1. ".... Do not make a post or threat about it. It is not your duty as a member to remind moderators of their duties, or to advice a topic to be moved or closed. If you feel the moderators have missed something, PM them. ..."

    I have no problem with Bells posting the PMs that she did. I only asked her to post all of our PMs in entirety not just some of them.
    The whole situation between her and I would have been more evident then. Did you note that I had asked for this?

    I will not discuss "other women" for I don't have their permission to do so.
    All you were asked is to start fresh here. Not repeat the same mistakes you have made on all the previous forums you were banned from.

    Whatever else you believe you said to her, no one corroborated your story. But she had everyone corroborate hers. Again, it's not everyone else. It's you. All the women you sexually harassed, they all corroborated her accusation against you. No one spoke for you there for a reason, just as no one defended you on the other sites that banned you.

    This is a new forum. Don't try and drag your other threads from all the other forums you were banned from and start them up here. A lot of us also post on those other forums and we don't want to have to experience that rubbish again.

    We don't want to join in your experiment to prove god via youtube. Start a blog or something. Just leave that rubbish out of this forum. You've plagued enough forums with it, leave this one alone.

    So fresh start, mate. Move on.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I think its clear to everyone that Robbitybob1 was banned for behaving badly at another forum. While I don't approve of the behavior he is accused of, nor have I bothered to acquaint myself with the happenings regarding the behavior over at sciforums, I think Kalster did well to remind us all that this is not sciforums. This is TSF. If Robbitybob1 or anyone else does something inappropriate here, we should just report it and move on.

    Constantly dragging this out and berating him about what he did at the other forums is as much harassment as is the behavior he was accused of.

    Can't everyone just drop it and move on?

    Kalster did suggest that you two put each other on mutual ignore. Maybe, you should both follow that advice.
    You are absolutely right.

    My apologies to everyone.

    Bowing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    In the Forum Guidelines it clearly states that you shouldn't try and influence the moderators through posts.
    In section 1. ".... Do not make a post or threat about it. It is not your duty as a member to remind moderators of their duties, or to advice a topic to be moved or closed. If you feel the moderators have missed something, PM them. ..."

    I have no problem with Bells posting the PMs that she did. I only asked her to post all of our PMs in entirety not just some of them.
    The whole situation between her and I would have been more evident then. Did you note that I had asked for this?

    I will not discuss "other women" for I don't have their permission to do so.
    All you were asked is to start fresh here. Not repeat the same mistakes you have made on all the previous forums you were banned from.

    Whatever else you believe you said to her, no one corroborated your story. But she had everyone corroborate hers. Again, it's not everyone else. It's you. All the women you sexually harassed, they all corroborated her accusation against you. No one spoke for you there for a reason, just as no one defended you on the other sites that banned you.

    This is a new forum. Don't try and drag your other threads from all the other forums you were banned from and start them up here. A lot of us also post on those other forums and we don't want to have to experience that rubbish again.

    We don't want to join in your experiment to prove god via youtube. Start a blog or something. Just leave that rubbish out of this forum. You've plagued enough forums with it, leave this one alone.

    So fresh start, mate. Move on.
    It is not as if the same thread titles aren't repeated on here as well as on Sciforums. (I noticed wegs had a thread titled "Is trust earned or learned" both on here and there and no one complained?) Even though the title maybe the same the content will be different. Beautiful Christians Songs will be entirely different, for there are different people responding at both sites.

    I think we have discussed the Sciforums episode on here enough. I am finished on the topic. I want to start a fresh, but will you let me? Let it go.

    Prove God via YouTube? I have never heard of such a strange idea!

    You can ignore me if you want to, that is your prerogative. No one will force you to read "Beautiful Christian Songs" thread. Don't like it, don't read it, simple.
    Kalster has given some good advice so let's take it: Give me a second chance.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I think its clear to everyone that Robbitybob1 was banned for behaving badly at another forum. While I don't approve of the behavior he is accused of, nor have I bothered to acquaint myself with the happenings regarding the behavior over at sciforums, I think Kalster did well to remind us all that this is not sciforums. This is TSF. If Robbitybob1 or anyone else does something inappropriate here, we should just report it and move on.

    Constantly dragging this out and berating him about what he did at the other forums is as much harassment as is the behavior he was accused of.

    Can't everyone just drop it and move on?

    Kalster did suggest that you two put each other on mutual ignore. Maybe, you should both follow that advice.
    Well said. He will have to stand on his merits in this forum.
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    You have still not given us a proper explanation of what it is you are trying to do with a "Beautiful Christians Songs" thread. I asked you in my first post in that thread to please explain exactly what you are trying to do. I was not about to OK it yet. Can you explain properly please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    No there was no common element that I can put my finger on.
    You?

    The purpose of the Beautiful Christian Songs thread was to detail the religious experiences I have had and my attempt to prove God is real. It is an on-going thing so the work is still in progress. I'll explain it as I go.
    You claimed it was a scientific experiment. If so, you need to lay out the methodology and the way in which the results would be judged in advance. In other words, you need to make a prediction. Just posting your dreams (and I can't think of anything less interesting or meaningful than someone's dreams) and then one day saying "and therefore god exists" is not science.

    If you want to post your turgid dreams, just create a blog or something.

    I also think the thread title was dishonest. Can you explain why you deliberately chose a title that appears to have nothing to do with what you intended to post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    You have still not given us a proper explanation of what it is you are trying to do with a "Beautiful Christians Songs" thread. I asked you in my first post in that thread to please explain exactly what you are trying to do. I was not about to OK it yet. Can you explain properly please?
    Forum: Scientific Study of Religion
    "The outward act or form by which men indicate their recognition of the existence of a god or of gods having power over their destiny, to whom obedience, service, and honor are due; the feeling or expression of human love, fear, or awe of some superhuman and overruling power, whether by profession of belief, by observance of rites and ceremonies, or by the conduct of life."


    That is the sentence that defines this section of the forum, and because of that I thought the Thread would go well in here for the thread will emphasize "the science of religion" "by the conduct of life".
    Something about my life, has resulted in God revealing Self to me in the form of a revelation. It did not predominantly come about by observance of rites or ceremonies.
    The "outward act" will be me telling the story of my life, in the hope that the reason might become apparent why I "recognize the existence of a god having power over destiny". " A god to whom obedience, service, and honor are due; the feeling or expression of human love, fear, or awe of some superhuman and overruling power."


    I have a story to tell that will make almost everyone, but hopefully not everyone, say "you are lying" when in fact I am telling the truth about the experiences I have had. It will therefore be a bizarre story, one that is hard to believe, but also one that has not stopped. For it will also serve the purpose of trying to locate a particular person, a person whom I do not know as yet, but one who will enable me to continue the story. (It will become apparent why I need to find this person.)
    Maybe the thread doesn't need songs in it, but when I write about a particular topic the combination of message and song seemed to encourage me to continue on in the face of adversity, for all along I will be getting abuse and ridicule but I will have to carry on as if walking through the "Valley of Death". I will never get angry but laugh at my oppressors, so it will seem like a riot, but I will be navigating my way through the jungle, like as if I am playing a game of chess, so in the end I can say to my opponents "Checkmate"!
    But at the same time they will be trying to checkmate me.


    Can that be done? It is not an easy task.

    (Sorry about the font, it was mixed after the cut and pastes, and I struggled to even it up again.)

     

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    Half-baked, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I have a story to tell that will make almost everyone, but hopefully not everyone, say "you are lying" when in fact I am telling the truth about the experiences I have had.
    Why would anyone care about your stories and dreams. This is a science forum. You might be better of on some sort of amateur dream-analysis, or self help, or even just religious forum.

    Why waste your time here, when you are not discussing science, you are not taking a scientific approach and nobody cares.

    I will never get angry but laugh at my oppressors
    Ah, I see. You like playing the victim. Great. Just what we need.
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    Half-baked, perhaps.
    hey you can't even put butter on this potato anymore ....it's like not going anywhere fast!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    I have a story to tell that will make almost everyone, but hopefully not everyone, say "you are lying" when in fact I am telling the truth about the experiences I have had.
    Why would anyone care about your stories and dreams. This is a science forum. You might be better of on some sort of amateur dream-analysis, or self help, or even just religious forum.

    Why waste your time here, when you are not discussing science, you are not taking a scientific approach and nobody cares.

    I will never get angry but laugh at my oppressors
    Ah, I see. You like playing the victim. Great. Just what we need.
    It is the Science of Religion forum, not strictly science but the science of religion. It will be interesting to see what that means, and I'll look at the other threads in this subsection and see how the science of religion is progressed. For I am a scientist and Christian so using that as a start I will learn how to do it. I'm not an expert but I'll learn as I go.

    I'm not the victim ....

    Let's see if we get permission first. Permission to rumble.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Half-baked, perhaps.
    hey you can't even put butter on this potato anymore ....it's like not going anywhere fast!
    Sounds a bit fattening .... but I do like roast potatoes, parsnips, pumpkin and particularly roast yams. Yummy!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    It is the Science of Religion forum, not strictly science but the science of religion.
    But you are very obviously not taking a scientific approach.

    I am a scientist
    Really?

    I'm not the victim
    And yet you think you are being oppressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    It is the Science of Religion forum, not strictly science but the science of religion.
    But you are very obviously not taking a scientific approach.

    I am a scientist

    Really?

    I'm not the victim
    And yet you think you are being oppressed.
    Well what about you? Are you a scientist? An atheist or a theist?
    You are oppressing me. One is enough.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    It is the Science of Religion forum, not strictly science but the science of religion. It will be interesting to see what that means, and I'll look at the other threads in this subsection and see how the science of religion is progressed. For I am a scientist and Christian so using that as a start I will learn how to do it. I'm not an expert but I'll learn as I go.

    I'm not the victim ....

    Let's see if we get permission first. Permission to rumble.
    Your dreams and you talking to god in your dreams and giving musical interpretations with youtube videos don't classify as science.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    It is the Science of Religion forum, not strictly science but the science of religion. It will be interesting to see what that means, and I'll look at the other threads in this subsection and see how the science of religion is progressed. For I am a scientist and Christian so using that as a start I will learn how to do it. I'm not an expert but I'll learn as I go.

    I'm not the victim ....

    Let's see if we get permission first. Permission to rumble.
    Your dreams and you talking to god in your dreams and giving musical interpretations with youtube videos don't classify as science.
    I thought we'd signed a peace treaty!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I thought we'd signed a peace treaty!
    I don't sign imaginary treaties.

    Well what about you? Are you a scientist? An atheist or a theist?
    You are oppressing me. One is enough.
    OMG will you stop already!

    This is a science forum. Not a 'come and read about my dreams' forum. If you need to meet a certain someone, then join a dating site. Or post your woo woo rubbish about your dreams and revelations on your own personal facebook page. Just stop doing it on science forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I thought we'd signed a peace treaty!
    I don't sign imaginary treaties.

    Well what about you? Are you a scientist? An atheist or a theist?
    You are oppressing me. One is enough.
    OMG will you stop already!

    This is a science forum. Not a 'come and read about my dreams' forum. If you need to meet a certain someone, then join a dating site. Or post your woo woo rubbish about your dreams and revelations on your own personal facebook page. Just stop doing it on science forums.
    We agreed to "STOP" arguing with each other. This thread is an introduction to me thread. "Hello Science Forum Member" I can't remember giving it that name or where it is but is this science?

    OK it is in the "Introductions" section. Well you are all getting quite an introduction alright!
    But it is about time telling me something about yourselves!
    Have you got an introduction thread I could look at?
     

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    You are oppressing me.
    So asking you to explain the methodology of your proposed experiment (and pointing out that if you don't then it ain't science) is oppression?

    If you think that level of gentle questioning is oppression then I guess my job for the last 30 years has been cruel and unusual punishment. I would never get away with signing off a project on the basis of a dream or a song. I am required to produce detailed plans and rigorous data to support them.
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    You have still not given us a proper explanation of what it is you are trying to do with a "Beautiful Christians Songs" thread. I asked you in my first post in that thread to please explain exactly what you are trying to do. I was not about to OK it yet. Can you explain properly please?
    Forum: Scientific Study of Religion
    "The outward act or form by which men indicate their recognition of the existence of a god or of gods having power over their destiny, to whom obedience, service, and honor are due; the feeling or expression of human love, fear, or awe of some superhuman and overruling power, whether by profession of belief, by observance of rites and ceremonies, or by the conduct of life."


    That is the sentence that defines this section of the forum, and because of that I thought the Thread would go well in here for the thread will emphasize "the science of religion" "by the conduct of life".
    Something about my life, has resulted in God revealing Self to me in the form of a revelation. It did not predominantly come about by observance of rites or ceremonies.
    The "outward act" will be me telling the story of my life, in the hope that the reason might become apparent why I "recognize the existence of a god having power over destiny". " A god to whom obedience, service, and honor are due; the feeling or expression of human love, fear, or awe of some superhuman and overruling power."


    I have a story to tell that will make almost everyone, but hopefully not everyone, say "you are lying" when in fact I am telling the truth about the experiences I have had. It will therefore be a bizarre story, one that is hard to believe, but also one that has not stopped. For it will also serve the purpose of trying to locate a particular person, a person whom I do not know as yet, but one who will enable me to continue the story. (It will become apparent why I need to find this person.)
    Maybe the thread doesn't need songs in it, but when I write about a particular topic the combination of message and song seemed to encourage me to continue on in the face of adversity, for all along I will be getting abuse and ridicule but I will have to carry on as if walking through the "Valley of Death". I will never get angry but laugh at my oppressors, so it will seem like a riot, but I will be navigating my way through the jungle, like as if I am playing a game of chess, so in the end I can say to my opponents "Checkmate"!
    But at the same time they will be trying to checkmate me.


    Can that be done? It is not an easy task.

    (Sorry about the font, it was mixed after the cut and pastes, and I struggled to even it up again.)

    Thanks Rob

    However, you still have not explained the scientific part in all of this. You have not given sufficient explanation of how you want to go about this. How exactly do you intend to prove the existence of God?

    As it stands, it just looks like you are wanting to testify for your faith and in the process appears to be wanting to find a mate.

    Was this mate promised to you in a dream? Because this might pose a problem right from the start. There are very few women here and I can assure you, they will not appreciate any advances by you here. I can see this going bad fast, after which I will have no choice but to ban you.

    Further, there is no need to be posting the songs right in the thread. If you find encouragement from them, why not simply listen to them privately?

    Leaving out the songs and you trying to find a mate, all it leaves is for you to start a thread detailing why you believe in God and inviting comment. As you rightly expect, this will necessarily illicit a direct dissection of your beliefs. Words like "delusion", "confirmation bias", "wishful thinking" and "unscientific" WILL be thrown around. You call this "walking through the valley of death", but all it will do is leave nobody at all convinced and in fact you'll lose all credibility very quickly.


    So in the end, why bother? Like strange asked, why come to a science forum where you'll find almost no support?

    Finally, in what way are you a scientist?
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    "Gullibility kills" - Carl Sagan
    "All people know the same truth. Our lives consist of how we chose to distort it." - Harry Block
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    You are oppressing me.
    So asking you to explain the methodology of your proposed experiment (and pointing out that if you don't then it ain't science) is oppression?

    If you think that level of gentle questioning is oppression then I guess my job for the last 30 years has been cruel and unusual punishment. I would never get away with signing off a project on the basis of a dream or a song. I am required to produce detailed plans and rigorous data to support them.
    We will design the experiment once we get permission from Kalster to go ahead. Jumping the gun otherwise.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    We will design the experiment once we get permission from Kalster to go ahead. Jumping the gun otherwise.
    It is you who have things backwards. So, clearly, you have no training in science or engineering. Do you think the scientists and engineers who built the LHC (for example) said, "give us 10 billion Euros and then we will tell you what we plan to do with it."

    And could you explain why you think it is "oppression" to ask you to explain the methodology of your proposed experiment?
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    We will design the experiment once we get permission from Kalster to go ahead. Jumping the gun otherwise.
    It is you who have things backwards. So, clearly, you have no training in science or engineering. Do you think the scientists and engineers who built the LHC (for example) said, "give us 10 billion Euros and then we will tell you what we plan to do with it."

    And could you explain why you think it is "oppression" to ask you to explain the methodology of your proposed experiment?
    Not now sorry.
     

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    Do you recollect anything from your childhood from a specific dream?
     

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    Do you recollect anything from your childhood from a specific dream?
    When i talk to my friend Carol I realize I have a really poor memory of my childhood, and I can't say any specific dream seems to relate to childhood, but as I write this there was a reoccurring dream series about Anna and Elizabeth Moore, who were my first "girl friends" when I was just 5 years old. They were twins and somehow I was challenged which one I liked the most. The dreams of them persisted till I went and looked them up. Elizabeth had died young 24 years old, at but had a child, and Anna married a doctor and had 4 children. She remembered me 35 years after playing in the school yard.

    There were dreams of a settlement at the junction of the two rivers, but as far as I know there was never such a place but it was like a ghost town and abandoned but I would go there in my dreams. That attachment to that area was extraordinary for if I were to go down there I would just break down and cry.

    I would drop of to sleep with a recurring dream of peacefulness that would turn into utter chaos. Flying dreams were really prolific too, but they didn't really relate to reality, but they felt so real I would wonder if they were really possible.
     

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    Do you still think it is God trying to contact you?
    That is a funny way of asking a question. For God is suppose to be the capable one, and me the mere man. God would have no trouble doing anything, it is us who have the trouble, we have the trouble of contacting God. It could be like having the phone on your desk but you don't use it to ring anyone. It takes an effort on your part.
    Is God trying to contact you?
    Are you picking up the phone?
    "Hello B/S here; OMG it's you!"
    God: "Yes I have been waiting for your call"
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    So, tell me about the time you did pick up the phone when God called.
     

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    So, tell me about the time you did pick up the phone when God called.
    It was Earth Day 1990 and I was staying at my sister's place, and during the night the phone rang in my dream and there was a lady talking to me in a foreign language, it sounded like Russian.
    In the end the voice changed and it said to me "As they tried to take the Christ out of Jesus, so they'll take the Mickey out of Michael."
    God only knows what all that means.
    Now my sister and brother in law had a son Michael and the Russians had a President Michel so was that a prophecy about either of those two?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    so was that a prophecy about either of those two?
    No. It was just the usual random crap your brain makes up in the middle of the night.

    You were staying with a family with a Michael in it and you dreamt about the name Michael. I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked. </sarcasm>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    so was that a prophecy about either of those two?
    No. It was just the usual random crap your brain makes up in the middle of the night.

    You were staying with a family with a Michael in it and you dreamt about the name Michael. I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked. </sarcasm>
    I still wonder if it was prophetic for it is 23 years later now. Michael married a lady whose parents are missionaries, and Michael has turned out quite staunch Christian too. Will he be martyred one day? It still could happen.
    But that is the question I wanted to explore are there such things as prophetic dreams, or is it just random? For you say random and I say prophetic but is there a way of determining which type it was?
     

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    So, you have no concrete to say, only whimsical fanatasies.

    Rob, c'mon, you're better than this. Aren't you?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    I still wonder if it was prophetic for it is 23 years later now.
    Of course you do. You have already established that you will believe pretty much anything.

    Michael married a lady whose parents are missionaries, and Michael has turned out quite staunch Christian too.
    Gosh a Christian knows another Christian who marries another Christian. What an extraordinary coincidence. I can hardly believe it.

    Will he be martyred one day? It still could happen.
    I suppose. Although that seems less likely. Speculating about something that is almost certain not to happen is not a prophecy.

    But that is the question I wanted to explore are there such things as prophetic dreams, or is it just random?
    There is zero evidence of prophetic dreams. There is lots of evidence of confirmation bias and manufactured memories.
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    A casual scroll through this thread demonstrates that this thread is not going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    A casual scroll through this thread demonstrates that this thread is not going anywhere.
    Where does any introduction go? It is not meant to go anywhere. Did you do an introductory thread to begin with? It is a nightmare trying to find these sort of things. Was there 20,000 introductory threads?
     

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    A casual scroll through this thread demonstrates that this thread is not going anywhere.
    Where does any introduction go? It is not meant to go anywhere. Did you do an introductory thread to begin with? It is a nightmare trying to find these sort of things. Was there 20,000 introductory threads?

    Although introductions are best suited in the Introductions section (hence the name),
    it is generally not suited as a place to advocate for one's ideas (regardless of the amount of evidence).

    Yes, I have made an introductory thread: Greetings from Europe

    A quick glance at the top of this sub-forum reveals that there are approximately 1800 threads in this particular section.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    So, tell me about the time you did pick up the phone when God called.
    It was Earth Day 1990 and I was staying at my sister's place, and during the night the phone rang in my dream and there was a lady talking to me in a foreign language, it sounded like Russian.
    In the end the voice changed and it said to me "As they tried to take the Christ out of Jesus, so they'll take the Mickey out of Michael."
    God only knows what all that means.
    Now my sister and brother in law had a son Michael and the Russians had a President Michel so was that a prophecy about either of those two?
    It could have been about michael jackson. That's the problem with assuming dreams are prophetic in nature. Any dream can be interpreted to fit any scenario. I have a cousin named Michael. I am sure at some point he was made fun of after 1990. Then we had MikePotter here on the forum and he caught all sorts of hell for his actions here. Do you have any idea how many Michaels there are in the world? I can assure you that all of them were made fun of at least once since 1990. Just as everyone else has been, that's human nature.

    Also, "Taking the mickey out of" someone has nothing to do with martyrdom. It is simply teasing or embarrassing someone.

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    1. Informal A roasted potato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    A casual scroll through this thread demonstrates that this thread is not going anywhere.
    Where does any introduction go? It is not meant to go anywhere. Did you do an introductory thread to begin with? It is a nightmare trying to find these sort of things. Was there 20,000 introductory threads?

    Although introductions are best suited in the Introductions section (hence the name), it is not a place to advocate for one's ideas (regardless of the amount of evidence).
    Yes, I have made an introductory thread: Greetings from Europe
    A quick glance at the top of this sub-forum reveals that are approximately 1800 threads in this particular section.
    Yes I went and found it too. Prolific poster and you share a similar interest, we might get along OK.

    Thanks (maybe its 20,000 members and 1800 introductions so only about 10% introduce themselves properly.)
    Greetings to you Kristof.
     

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    So, tell me about the time you did pick up the phone when God called.
    It was Earth Day 1990 and I was staying at my sister's place, and during the night the phone rang in my dream and there was a lady talking to me in a foreign language, it sounded like Russian.
    In the end the voice changed and it said to me "As they tried to take the Christ out of Jesus, so they'll take the Mickey out of Michael."
    God only knows what all that means.
    Now my sister and brother in law had a son Michael and the Russians had a President Michel so was that a prophecy about either of those two?
    It could have been about michael jackson. That's the problem with assuming dreams are prophetic in nature. Any dream can be interpreted to fit any scenario. I have a cousin named Michael. I am sure at some point he was made fun of after 1990. Then we had MikePotter here on the forum and he caught all sorts of hell for his actions here. Do you have any idea how many Michaels there are in the world? I can assure you that all of them were made fun of at least once since 1990. Just as everyone else has been, that's human nature.
    There is that aspect too, and I hadn't considered that broad nature of the problem.
     

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    Yes I went and found it too. Prolific poster and you share a similar interest, we might get along OK.

    Which similar interest are you referring to?
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    Houston TSF, we have a problemnother loon...
    Did you introduce yourself PHDemon before you began pulling funny faces at me?
    What is your introductory thread called? Where is it?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    So, tell me about the time you did pick up the phone when God called.
    It was Earth Day 1990 and I was staying at my sister's place, and during the night the phone rang in my dream and there was a lady talking to me in a foreign language, it sounded like Russian.
    In the end the voice changed and it said to me "As they tried to take the Christ out of Jesus, so they'll take the Mickey out of Michael."
    God only knows what all that means.
    Now my sister and brother in law had a son Michael and the Russians had a President Michel so was that a prophecy about either of those two?
    It could have been about michael jackson. That's the problem with assuming dreams are prophetic in nature. Any dream can be interpreted to fit any scenario. I have a cousin named Michael. I am sure at some point he was made fun of after 1990. Then we had MikePotter here on the forum and he caught all sorts of hell for his actions here. Do you have any idea how many Michaels there are in the world? I can assure you that all of them were made fun of at least once since 1990. Just as everyone else has been, that's human nature.
    There is that aspect too, and I hadn't considered that broad nature of the problem.
    Micky is also a nickname for Michael. Just as Christ is a nickname for Jesus, for some people. You are making things way too complicated than they have to be and looking for deeper meaning where there is none. This just an example of you complaining to yourself in your sleep, using irrational basis for argument.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Also, "Taking the mickey out of" someone has nothing to do with martyrdom.
    If you think being asked questions is "oppression" then I suppose it isn't unreasonable to think that being teased is martyrdom. A persecutory delusion can be pretty powerful.
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    Yes I went and found it too. Prolific poster and you share a similar interest, we might get along OK.

    Which similar interest are you referring to?
    As I was scrolling back to find your introduction just noticed the topics you wrote posts to. Our ideas might be different but the topics seemed to be ones that would interest me too., but at a very cursory level.
     

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    Also, "Taking the mickey out of" someone has nothing to do with martyrdom.
    If you think being asked questions is "oppression" then I suppose it isn't unreasonable to think that being teased is martyrdom. A persecutory delusion can be pretty powerful.
    good point, gotta consider the perspective of my audience.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    I hadn't considered that broad nature of the problem.
    Why doesn't that surprise me. Further evidence that your claim to be a scientist was a lie.
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    Also, "Taking the mickey out of" someone has nothing to do with martyrdom.
    If you think being asked questions is "oppression" then I suppose it isn't unreasonable to think that being teased is martyrdom. A persecutory delusion can be pretty powerful.
    But how did they try and take the Christ out of Jesus?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    Yes I went and found it too. Prolific poster and you share a similar interest, we might get along OK.

    Which similar interest are you referring to?
    As I was scrolling back to find your introduction just noticed the topics you wrote posts to. Our ideas might be different but the topics seemed to be ones that would interest me too., but at a very cursory level.

    I suppose you are referring to my interests in antibiotics, abiogenesis, microbiology, biochemistry, astronomy and advancements in medicine?

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    Did you introduce yourself PHDemon before you began pulling funny faces at me?
    What is your introductory thread called? Where is it?


    http://www.thescienceforum.com/introductions/34515-another-better-late-than-never.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
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    Also, "Taking the mickey out of" someone has nothing to do with martyrdom.
    If you think being asked questions is "oppression" then I suppose it isn't unreasonable to think that being teased is martyrdom. A persecutory delusion can be pretty powerful.
    But how did they try and take the Christ out of Jesus?
    Perhaps that is your subconscious description and frustration with people who say Jesus was just a man, and not divine or the son or messiah (christ means messiah) of any god. Or those who say Jesus never existed at all.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    I hadn't considered that broad nature of the problem.
    Why doesn't that surprise me. Further evidence that your claim to be a scientist was a lie.
    You'll just have to believe me on that one.
    I'll tell Kalster what I do and he can confirm it. But thereafter it will be just between us two.
     

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    Also, "Taking the mickey out of" someone has nothing to do with martyrdom.
    If you think being asked questions is "oppression" then I suppose it isn't unreasonable to think that being teased is martyrdom. A persecutory delusion can be pretty powerful.
    But how did they try and take the Christ out of Jesus?
    Perhaps that is your subconscious description and frustration with people who say Jesus was just a man, and not divine or the son or messiah (christ means messiah) of any god. Or those who say Jesus never existed at all.
    To me they tried to take the Christ out of Jesus by crucifying him, which to me is martyrdom. Your other suggestions never enter my mind.
    But I do see your point.
     

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    They teased him mercilessly?
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    "Ner ner ner your mum's a virgin!"
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    But how did they try and take the Christ out of Jesus?
    They teased him mercilessly?
    "Ner ner ner your mum's a virgin!"
    And what's worse for you your dad is too.
    Sorry misunderstood your goading! lol
     

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    Yes I went and found it too. Prolific poster and you share a similar interest, we might get along OK.

    Which similar interest are you referring to?
    As I was scrolling back to find your introduction just noticed the topics you wrote posts to. Our ideas might be different but the topics seemed to be ones that would interest me too., but at a very cursory level.

    I suppose you are referring to my interests in antibiotics, abiogenesis, microbiology, biochemistry, astronomy and advancements in medicine?

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    Houston TSF, we have a problemnother loon...
    Did you introduce yourself PHDemon before you began pulling funny faces at me?
    What is your introductory thread called? Where is it?


    http://www.thescienceforum.com/introductions/34515-another-better-late-than-never.html
    Oh now I see you were answering for someone else!

    Kristof: "I suppose you are referring to my interests in antibiotics, abiogenesis, microbiology, biochemistry, astronomy and advancements in medicine?"

    That is a great set of subjects, especially abiogenesis, I'll be keen to read what you say about that.
    Did you have a favorite thread on that subject?
    Did you ever look at my Life started first on Mercury threads over on PF?
     

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    Houston TSF, we have a problemnother loon...
    Did you introduce yourself PHDemon before you began pulling funny faces at me?
    What is your introductory thread called? Where is it?
    It's here:

    http://www.thescienceforum.com/intro...han-never.html

    You're still a loon though...
    "Thanks for that. You are more knowable on a lot of areas than I am as your "areas of expertise are kinetics, thermodynamics, spectroscopy, atmospheric chemistry and aerosol science". But they are in fields I have no input for what could I contribute?"

    But a nice loon at least!
     

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    Perhaps that is your subconscious description and frustration with people who say Jesus was just a man, and not divine or the son or messiah (christ means messiah) of any god. Or those who say Jesus never existed at all.
    He can't understand that sometimes a dream is just a dream. But as you and others here are discovering, he sees his dreams as being prophecies. And he chases after it relentlessly.

    Lets hope that he doesn't dream about anyone here. Because if he does, then he will pursue that person relentlessly, thinking she is the one.

    This isn't an experiment. He is trying to coin it as an experiment so that he can sneak it through the moderators here. The reality is that it's a dream journal and he wants to try to use it to meet a special someone and he hopes she is posting here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1
    I still wonder if it was prophetic for it is 23 years later now. Michael married a lady whose parents are missionaries, and Michael has turned out quite staunch Christian too. Will he be martyred one day? It still could happen.
    But that is the question I wanted to explore are there such things as prophetic dreams, or is it just random? For you say random and I say prophetic but is there a way of determining which type it was?
    You want it to be prophetic because you want to be special. You want to be special enough for your god to speak to you in dreams. Early Hebrews and Christians used to claim the same thing. Ancient Chinese and Australian Aboriginal cultures also put a lot of emphasis on dreams.

    A couple of thousand years ago, people thought their god spoke to them in their dreams. You read the bible, you have a dream, you think God is speaking to you and you are therefore special and like the so called prophets in the bible you read, you feel you must spread the word, so that all can read about your dreams and listen to songs that represent how you feel. Because you feel special.

    You are not.

    You heard the name Michael and you had a dream with a Michael in it. Hardly unusual. Your brain will process what you have experienced, thoughts, smells, tastes, what you have heard and seen and you will have dreams and yes, sometimes you will hear voices in your dreams. It's not god.

    It's your brain trying to process and cleanse itself while you sleep.
     

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    Perhaps that is your subconscious description and frustration with people who say Jesus was just a man, and not divine or the son or messiah (christ means messiah) of any god. Or those who say Jesus never existed at all.
    He can't understand that sometimes a dream is just a dream. But as you and others here are discovering, he sees his dreams as being prophecies. And he chases after it relentlessly.

    Lets hope that he doesn't dream about anyone here. Because if he does, then he will pursue that person relentlessly, thinking she is the one.

    This isn't an experiment. He is trying to coin it as an experiment so that he can sneak it through the moderators here. The reality is that it's a dream journal and he wants to try to use it to meet a special someone and he hopes she is posting here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1
    I still wonder if it was prophetic for it is 23 years later now. Michael married a lady whose parents are missionaries, and Michael has turned out quite staunch Christian too. Will he be martyred one day? It still could happen.
    But that is the question I wanted to explore are there such things as prophetic dreams, or is it just random? For you say random and I say prophetic but is there a way of determining which type it was?
    You want it to be prophetic because you want to be special. You want to be special enough for your god to speak to you in dreams. Early Hebrews and Christians used to claim the same thing. Ancient Chinese and Australian Aboriginal cultures also put a lot of emphasis on dreams.

    A couple of thousand years ago, people thought their god spoke to them in their dreams. You read the bible, you have a dream, you think God is speaking to you and you are therefore special and like the so called prophets in the bible you read, you feel you must spread the word, so that all can read about your dreams and listen to songs that represent how you feel. Because you feel special.

    You are not.

    You heard the name Michael and you had a dream with a Michael in it. Hardly unusual. Your brain will process what you have experienced, thoughts, smells, tastes, what you have heard and seen and you will have dreams and yes, sometimes you will hear voices in your dreams. It's not god.

    It's your brain trying to process and cleanse itself while you sleep.
    Thanks Tranquille.
    Just a couple of points - when I say I want to find someone, that someone did not have to be female. There was a special attribute they would have. I will wait before I mention what it was.
    Whether it is or isn't God will be the subject of the experiment, it will need to be designed and the results interpreted before we jump to conclusions.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post

    Thanks Tranquille.
    Just a couple of points - when I say I want to find someone, that someone did not have to be female. There was a special attribute they would have. I will wait before I mention what it was.
    Whether it is or isn't God will be the subject of the experiment, it will need to be designed and the results interpreted before we jump to conclusions.
    You have already said you believe god speaks to you in dreams.

    Therefore, it is a foregone conclusion. You already know what you will claim the final response or analysis of your "experiment" will be. That God does exist and you believe the proof will be because you have prophecies and the dreams will be the way that you can prove that to the world.

    You have set no parameters for this "experiment". It is just you talking about your dreams and proving God.

    You expect people to trust you, when you act in such a dishonest manner about this so called experiment to begin with, even the thread title was dishonest. Why should anyone here trust you?

    Perhaps you see yourself as a prophet?

    There is no experiment. An experiment will look at all and address all variables, which you have failed to address.

    Perhaps you can provide a breakdown of why your dreams is the pathway to god or discovering god and how this qualifies as science? What makes your dreams more special or different to everyone else so much so that you believe it is god speaking to you?

    What is the end date? When does the information gathering end and the analysis begin? Is there an end date? Or does that end date come when you meet someone who fulfills your supposed prophecy? The last time you had a prophecy, you stalked that person relentlessly and was banned for it. Is the same thing going to happen in this latest experiment here?

    I suggest not treating the people who post here like morons, feeding tidbits with large doses of what you think is suspense, trying to build it up to be something that it clearly is not.. You aren't in control here. So lay out the parameters, set the variables, give an end date, explain exactly how and why this classifies as science and how and why your dreams and your belief that your dreams are prophecies is scientific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
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    Thanks Tranquille.
    Just a couple of points - when I say I want to find someone, that someone did not have to be female. There was a special attribute they would have. I will wait before I mention what it was.
    Whether it is or isn't God will be the subject of the experiment, it will need to be designed and the results interpreted before we jump to conclusions.
    You have already said you believe god speaks to you in dreams.

    Therefore, it is a foregone conclusion. You already know what you will claim the final response or analysis of your "experiment" will be. That God does exist and you believe the proof will be because you have prophecies and the dreams will be the way that you can prove that to the world.

    You have set no parameters for this "experiment". It is just you talking about your dreams and proving God.

    You expect people to trust you, when you act in such a dishonest manner about this so called experiment to begin with, even the thread title was dishonest. Why should anyone here trust you?

    Perhaps you see yourself as a prophet?

    There is no experiment. An experiment will look at all and address all variables, which you have failed to address.

    Perhaps you can provide a breakdown of why your dreams is the pathway to god or discovering god and how this qualifies as science? What makes your dreams more special or different to everyone else so much so that you believe it is god speaking to you?

    What is the end date? When does the information gathering end and the analysis begin? Is there an end date? Or does that end date come when you meet someone who fulfills your supposed prophecy? The last time you had a prophecy, you stalked that person relentlessly and was banned for it. Is the same thing going to happen in this latest experiment here?

    I suggest not treating the people who post here like morons, feeding tidbits with large doses of what you think is suspense, trying to build it up to be something that it clearly is not.. You aren't in control here. So lay out the parameters, set the variables, give an end date, explain exactly how and why this classifies as science and how and why your dreams and your belief that your dreams are prophecies is scientific.
    I wonder.
    Will the definitive "proof" that it's god talking to him be that the voice tells him to go out and kill prostitutes?
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    That is worth consideration, it is just that I'm down with the flu and can't concentrate today but I'll go back over it later (a day or two).
    Well let's see how good you are. Who is .........?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
    There is no experiment. An experiment will look at all and address all variables, which you have failed to address.
    And he has already demonstrated a rather impressive inability to think of more than one explanation for a rather tedious and obvious coincidence. So any results from this "experiment" would obviously be made meaningless by an absence of controls, selection bias, confirmation bias and lack of quantitative data. (Robbittybob, you might want to look those terms up. They might be useful to you in your career as a "scientist".)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    There is no experiment. An experiment will look at all and address all variables, which you have failed to address.
    And he has already demonstrated a rather impressive inability to think of more than one explanation for a rather tedious and obvious coincidence. So any results from this "experiment" would obviously be made meaningless by an absence of controls, selection bias, confirmation bias and lack of quantitative data. (Robbittybob, you might want to look those terms up. They might be useful to you in your career as a "scientist".)
    It is quality criticism like this that will make any experiment ultimately statistically more meaningful. If you think "take the Mickey out of Micheal" includes all the Micheals alive and yet to be born in the near future, this would bring the odds down somewhat.
    But I am sure dreams are meant to be interpreted personally rather than globally. We will certainly discuss this aspect.
     

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    You know what this thread needs? Boobs.

    So are you saying my intended thread should be called "Beautiful Christian Boobs" not "Beautiful Christian Songs"?
     

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    Did you ever look at my Life started first on Mercury threads over on PF?
    Do you really want to go there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robittybob1 View Post
    It is quality criticism like this that will make any experiment ultimately statistically more meaningful. If you think "take the Mickey out of Micheal" includes all the Micheals alive and yet to be born in the near future, this would bring the odds down somewhat.
    But I am sure dreams are meant to be interpreted personally rather than globally. We will certainly discuss this aspect.
    There is no experiment.

    Certainly not a scientific experiment.

    You are approaching this as you have on the numerous occasions you have tried to pull this stunt.

    Any criticism will result in your pontificating some more about god and accusing anyone who criticizes you as atheists. You think the results will be more meaningful if people criticize it, so that at the end, you think you will be able to turn to them and say with certainty that you have proven god exists, just from your dreams alone.

    You aren't a prophet. You're just like the crazy guy who screams scripture in malls around the world.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
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    It is quality criticism like this that will make any experiment ultimately statistically more meaningful. If you think "take the Mickey out of Micheal" includes all the Micheals alive and yet to be born in the near future, this would bring the odds down somewhat.
    But I am sure dreams are meant to be interpreted personally rather than globally. We will certainly discuss this aspect.
    There is no experiment.

    Certainly not a scientific experiment.

    You are approaching this as you have on the numerous occasions you have tried to pull this stunt.

    Any criticism will result in your pontificating some more about god and accusing anyone who criticizes you as atheists. You think the results will be more meaningful if people criticize it, so that at the end, you think you will be able to turn to them and say with certainty that you have proven god exists, just from your dreams alone.

    You aren't a prophet. You're just like the crazy guy who screams scripture in malls around the world.
    Luckily Kalster survived the accident, and it will be interesting to see how much influence you pull over the other moderators.
    You seem to be involved with Sciforums and also here as a poster, but one with superhuman powers of future prediction and knowledge far beyond what you should have. Your whole post seems to smack of the prophetic, yet you say I'm not a prophet. For where did I say I was a prophet? Or are you continuing to bring stuff over from Sciforums over to here when you had said you would stop doing that.
    There seems to be real scientists here who could help in the design of a scientific experiment.
     

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    A casual scroll through this thread demonstrates that this thread is not going anywhere.
    I already acknowledged this in an earlier post.
     

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    but how did they try and take the christ out of jesus?
    they teased him mercilessly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tranquille View Post
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    Thanks Tranquille.
    Just a couple of points - when I say I want to find someone, that someone did not have to be female. There was a special attribute they would have. I will wait before I mention what it was.
    Whether it is or isn't God will be the subject of the experiment, it will need to be designed and the results interpreted before we jump to conclusions.
    You have already said you believe god speaks to you in dreams.

    Therefore, it is a foregone conclusion. You already know what you will claim the final response or analysis of your "experiment" will be. That God does exist and you believe the proof will be because you have prophecies and the dreams will be the way that you can prove that to the world.

    You have set no parameters for this "experiment". It is just you talking about your dreams and proving God.

    You expect people to trust you, when you act in such a dishonest manner about this so called experiment to begin with, even the thread title was dishonest. Why should anyone here trust you?

    Perhaps you see yourself as a prophet?

    There is no experiment. An experiment will look at all and address all variables, which you have failed to address.

    Perhaps you can provide a breakdown of why your dreams is the pathway to god or discovering god and how this qualifies as science? What makes your dreams more special or different to everyone else so much so that you believe it is god speaking to you?

    What is the end date? When does the information gathering end and the analysis begin? Is there an end date? Or does that end date come when you meet someone who fulfills your supposed prophecy? The last time you had a prophecy, you stalked that person relentlessly and was banned for it. Is the same thing going to happen in this latest experiment here?

    I suggest not treating the people who post here like morons, feeding tidbits with large doses of what you think is suspense, trying to build it up to be something that it clearly is not.. You aren't in control here. So lay out the parameters, set the variables, give an end date, explain exactly how and why this classifies as science and how and why your dreams and your belief that your dreams are prophecies is scientific.
    You have already said you believe god speaks to you in dreams.
    Well this will be the premise under consideration.

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    Perhaps you can provide a breakdown of why your dreams is the pathway to god or discovering god and how this qualifies as science? What makes your dreams more special or different to everyone else so much so that you believe it is god speaking to you?
    Well that was there in the original thread, and Carol was yet to add her part but couldn't do so for she had been so badly insulted by Bells. She logs on and sees her infraction notice for "being a sock puppet" and can't go further than that.

    What is the end date? When does the information gathering end and the analysis begin? Is there an end date? Or does that end date come when you meet someone who fulfills your supposed prophecy? The last time you had a prophecy, you stalked that person relentlessly and was banned for it. Is the same thing going to happen in this latest experiment here? [/QUOTE] there was the text revelation and I want to find someone who can accept that. That maybe the end point. All this talk of stalking is bizarre for even B/S has been treating me with decorum. So that leaves Bells and I didn't get banned for flirting with her, so who are you talking about? I was once given a suspension to "cool off" but as you know I can't access my PMs now so I can't refresh my memory of which banning you are talking about. Wegs never claimed to me or on the thread I was stalking her even though others butted in with that accusation and ruined her Trust thread. I think Bells was the Moderator on duty that day.
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    Yes I do but the thread is closed. Christof might since he is interested in Abiogenesis.
     

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    No. It's one of the worst. I'd rather see science discussion, not this drama queen nonsense.
    No one makes you read it. Is there nothing else happening? Just about a full time for me to reply to all the comments here.
     

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