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  1. #1 Ancient alien theory 
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    I am fascinated by this theory. I love archeoastronomy. I have some theories about the true uses of the Great Pyramid. Whose interested in hearing?


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    Maybe you should somewhere that isn't a SCIENCE forum.
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    No thanks. I like to believe that I'm special.
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    There is no "Ancient Alien Theory".
    There are, however, numerous "Ancient Alien Wild Guesses".

    I have some theories about the true uses of the Great Pyramid. Whose interested in hearing?
    That depends. How interested are you in having your "theories" shot down, systematically, rationally, and piecemeal?
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    For those that replied in the negative, is this supposed to hurt my feelings? Let's start the conversation this way, in the negative. So, let's talk about the Great Pyramid uses and Eastern Island, oh and Puma Punka.
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    Why not start the conversation with evidence for aliens...

    Just to be clear, the lack of complete information about the construction of those objects is not evidence for "ancient aliens". In case you don't understand why, here is an analogy:

    I received a parcel in the post this morning. I don't know who it is from or what is inside it. Therefore it must be from aliens and contain alien technology, correct?

    If you are going to provide a compelling argument, you need something better than "we don't know how they did it" or "the techniques was very advanced". You need positive evidence for the existence or intervention of aliens. If you have such evidence, it will be very exciting.
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    So, let's talk about the Great Pyramid uses and Eastern Island, oh and Puma Punka.
    Most of us would be mildly interested in some real archaeology from these areas.

    One thing that would put me right off would be working from the presumption that people exactly like us were too stupid, or primitive or uneducated or uncivilised to do anything so finely worked or accurately calculated or spectacularly engineered. People in Europe built cathedrals in the first few centuries of the current era - but they've had to be rebuilt for various (usually violent) reasons since then.

    Like this one. Cathedral of Trier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The structure is raised upon the foundations of Roman buildings of Augusta Treverorum . Following the conversion of the Emperor Constantine the Bishop Maxim of Trier (329-346) coordinated the construction of the grandest ensemble of ecclesiastical structures in the West outside Rome: on a groundplan four times the area of the present cathedral no less than four basilicas , a baptistery and outbuildings were constructed; the four piers of the crossing formed the nucleus of the present structure.
    The fourth century structure was left in ruins by the Franks and rebuilt. Normans destroyed the structure again in 882. Under Bishop Egbert the Dom was restored once more.
    So Pumapunku was built within a century or so of this originally gigantic cathedral complex. The Bishop of Trier was able to build this enormous complex with the dedicated work of ordinary people, stonemasons, sculptors, mosaicists, carpenters, artists, engineers and every other skilled and unskilled trade of the time. I see no reason why a similarly powerful Andean official/ priest/ monarch couldn't do the same or better on the other side of the world.

    That's the challenge.

    Firstly the archaeology and related scientific evidence.
    Secondly, a reason why some kind of alien (or other unknown) guiding intelligence is involved that doesn't rely on a notion that people of the time lacked the requisite skills or attributes, either intellectual, organisational or engineering, to carry out large projects.
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    Also, if aliens built (or helped build) some ancient structures, why are they built using exactly the same materials and (apparently) techniques that human structures are made from. Why no stainless steel, carbon nano-tubes, high-tech ceramics, electric lights?

    It almost looks as if the "ancient aliens" had exactly the same level of technology as contemporary humans...

    As for the pyramids, we have some detailed records of the living accommodation for the workers, salaries, food, health care, etc. We have no record of having to provide freshly cooked grax'l for the Pxultpl overlords. We also find that many of the workman left their names and short messages on the bits they worked on. We don't find any inscriptions saying, "made by Wofdkut son of Higflan of the tribe of Daaft on the planet Syzygy". I wonder why...
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    Was on another forum and the Great Wall of China was mentioned. On the other other side of the world.

    Parts of this were built in the 7th century BCE. Long, long before either the Christian or Andean structures mentioned here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erinstargazes View Post
    For those that replied in the negative, is this supposed to hurt my feelings?
    Here is the probable truth in answer to that question: the members who have posted here don't really give a damn about your feelings. Now that may seem rather harsh, but lets examine why it might be so.

    1. You are posting here as an anonymous person on an internet forum. You have a handful of posts to your credit. No one knows you. At this stage members do not subconsciously view you as human. Over time this would change. I have opinions and views about many of the regular posters on this site. Some I admire and respect greatly, some I find amusing, others a little neurotic, and so forth. And some I think are monumental prats.

    I suspect this same range of views will be held by other members about those they have come to know through their posts. Those whom they like they would be hesitant to 'hurt their feelings', because they now see them as people. You haven't graduated to that role yet.

    2. Most regular have studied the 'theories' you speak of and have reached the conclusion they are baloney. Some of us were once enthusiastic believers in the wonderful and the bizarre - ancient astronauts, Bernuda Triangle, telepathy and so forth. On top of that most of us have tried to explain why we think the ideas are baloney to an endless stream of 'believers'. It's difficult to accord each new person who comes along with the same tired old argument the recognition that they are new even if their arguments aren't.

    Consequently, we not care about hurting their feelings, we just wish this foolishness would end.


    So, as other's have suggested you'll need to bring something new to the table if you are not going to be targeted for serious debunking. We are interested in facts, not emotions - and we can, in fact, get quite emotional about that. (Humans! What can you do with them?)
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    This "topic" is the same as taking your computer to a repair shop and telling that you "have no idea what's wrong with it. It's never been opened and worked before." But when the tech opens it, there's no RAM in it. (Either you were lying, or didn't have all the info).

    Either way, it boils down to Drake's Equation.

    Find testable and verifiable evidence, then I MIGHT listen.
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