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    Hi,

    I've joined this forum to hopefully blow off steam and keep my sanity. I work a very menial job, I have a bleak future which I accept however I love science and impatiently wait for the end of the day so I can get home and start reading, or watching videos, or learning arithmetic. While I find this extremely satisfying on a personal level, I have a very hard time keeping all of the new and exciting things I'm learning to myself, not because I want to "preach" for lack of a better word, or even teach people because I'm not qualified but even trying to discuss anything at a superficial level with people around me is at best frustrating. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's natural to want to share what you've learned.
    My interest anything intellectual has been hindered by having a long-term relationship for the past 6.5 years, which between a full-time job and a needy girlfriend leave very little time for intellectual development. Since ending the relationship, I've been able to dedicate a lot of time to my quest for knowledge but I'm now noticing the downside that nearly any opinion or even statement of fact I have to offer in day-to-day conversations are met with emotional outbursts from co-workers. Even when I start nearly every statement with "I'm not expert, but you might find this interesting..." or "I recently read that...." or "Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point but..." it is met with a statement like "science is not the end all be all, you only think it is because of your puny little brain, and the 10% of it that's being used, science doesn't know everything, and science is too absolute, if they figure everything out there will be no wonder left!! I don't trust anything, even science"
    I don't respond when people get emotional and blurt out such nonsense so I held back the 5 or so points of non-logic and irony of that statement that instantly came to mind, which finally brings me to my point, I feel very isolated and even oppressed by ignorance in my workplace, so I come here for solace and I believe that just reading all of you have logical debates about ideas based on empirical knowledge will be enough to keep me going through the 42.5 hours of the week spent in an intellectual stand still.


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    Hi, welcome to the forum.

    I hope you find what you are looking for.


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    Thank you, I've already made great progress, I just messaged a co-worker an article that exposed the internet hoax of giant humans which he has been talking about for the last few days. I found it after 5 minutes of digging in your forums, apparently it's old news but I've never heard of it. I knew it was crap but had to find solid proof to disprove it, which is ironic with the gullible, they see 1 picture and it's solidified in their minds, only extreme amounts of proof can ex-sponge it.
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    Heh, I remember that thread.
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    Welcome layman

    I don't know where you've been getting science information until now, but it might be worthwhile to get the latest info across all topics regardless of the interests of people on a forum like us.

    Here's a sample of today's topics on the front page of Science Daily: News & Articles in Science, Health, Environment & Technology

    Go there every so often and you can get yourself a nice bundle of new ideas to play with. Maybe even some new topics or questions to raise here if anything seems a bit odd.

    Have fun.
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    Recently for learning the technical building blocks I've been using Khan Academy for math, natural selection, cosmology, chemistry, and biology. I've read a few Richard Dawkins' books for evolution and evidence against god, and Lawrence Strauss' A Universe From Nothing which really initialized my interest in cosmology. Obviously the books are way over my head but I think I can appreciate a lot of the concepts without the technical background to really understand the fine details.
    Thank you for the suggestion, that looks like it will be the most cutting edge stuff.
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    Welcome to the forum, Layman.

    The points that you raise in your opening post are precisely the reason that forums are unlikely to disappear, despite the current interest in 'social sites' and media. I work grave yard shift with a small crew of 'loners' and because of my unusual hours, I have little opportunity for intellectual discourse or even conversing above a grade 8 level, lol, not that I have any academic credentials to my name.

    One thing I have observed is that very few people have the luxury of time to assimilate and share beyond the immediate aspects of their lives. Their job and/or relationships commandeer almost all of their time and many spend a considerable amount of time in transit as well.

    'Science' is a bogeyman to many, seemingly mysterious and difficult yet most concepts can also be discussed in 'layman's terms' (no pun intended, lol...) and everything is science when you examine it closely and a better understanding of many things in our daily lives can make circumstances much easier for us.

    I often think that many people are just plainly feeling overwhelmed and even a polite request for engagement in dialogue on a topic that may require them to invest some mental energy can be enough to send them into a defensive mode of disinterest or negative response.

    Just my observations and thoughts on the matter.
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    I think you've hit the nail on the head, many times over. Thank you for letting me know I'm not alone, somehow the idea that others are suffering too eases the pain lol
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    Welcome to the forum. I know what you mean it is almost impossible to interact in intelligent discussion almost anywhere in in the real world or on the internet. Your workplace and indeed maybe social circles will be the same no matter where you go or what you do, intelligence just isn't prevalent in society and it is most frustrating interacting with people; they haven't a clue nor want one. Probably not their fault they came to where they are but in the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

    I often think that many people are just plainly feeling overwhelmed and even a polite request for engagement in dialogue on a topic that may require them to invest some mental energy can be enough to send them into a defensive mode of disinterest or negative response.
    I agree; this happens all the time with me. It seems the more you know that makes them have to think or feel uncomfortable because their beliefs are questioned, the more they are to jump you and cut your throat with either ignorance, more disinformation and of course, the be all and end all of all intellectual dissent; ad hominem attacks.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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