June 7th, 2008, 08:10 AM
It seems that negroes have never invented anything. I've been looking everywhere for the information about their inventions and I couldn't find anything.
North Africans, Arabs, Europeans, Asians, Indians even Native Americans had their own inventions.
Meanwhile negroes invented nothing.
There's a much more interesting, and subtle, discussion here. While you're allowed to make your claim, I do question your motives.
Following a single google search
America's Hi-Tech "Invisible Man"
Frederick Jones contributed to the invention of the air conditioner unit and the automatic refrigeration system for long-haul trucks.
Sarah Boone contributed to the invention of the ironing board.
Jan Matzeliger contributed to the invention of the shoe-lasting machine (for attaching soles on shoes in Lynn, Mass. His invention revolutionized the shoe industry.
Alexander Miles contributed to the invention of major improvements to the elevator.
Dr. Charles Drew contributed to the invention of a way to store blood and then created the first blood bank.
M.A. Cherry contributed to the invention of the tricycle.
Ernest E. Just was the first biologist to receive the Springarn Medal. He received distinction in his field
through his research on egg fertilization and the functioning of cells.
Harold D. West was the first person to synthesize the amino acid threonine in the laboratory.
Dr. William Hinton devised a test to determine syphilis.
Andrew Bryan was the first African American pastor, ordained in 1788.
Constance B. Motley was the first African American female appointed as a Federal Judge in 1966.
Barbara Watson Federal was the first African American and first female to serve as Asst. Secretary of State.
She held her post in 1974.
Bernice Gaines Hughes was the first African American female to obtain the rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Armed Forces.
Alonzo Pietro (known as "il Negro") was one of Columbus' navigators on his first voyage to America in 1492.
Granville T Woods
* Steam Boiler Furnace
* Electric Railway
* Automatic Air Brake
* Telephone Transmitter
* Electromechanical Brake
* Railway Telegrapy
* Induction Telegraph System
* Overhead Conducting System for Electrified Railway
* Tunnel Construction for Electric Railway
* Galvanic Battery
It seems not only have you not looked everywhere, I doubt you looked ANYWHERE if you are going to claim a fallacy like that, once again, i too question your motives.
78 more from a google with the search term "black inventor"
http://inventors.about.com/library/blblackinventors.htm
June 7th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Meanwhile,the dog barks, but the caravan passes.Originally Posted by Siemowit
Africans have not historically had the same access to education as a lot of other ethnicities, so the fact they should have invented anything at all is incredibly impressive.
It will be interesting to see what happens as more and more black kids are making it into college. Oh.... and they invented Jazz, too. Probably the single one greatest musical invention ever.
June 9th, 2008, 04:25 AM
What have you invented, Semiwit?
June 9th, 2008, 10:33 AM
Semiwit! HA! Good one!!What have you invented, Semiwit?
I didn't notice he tweaked that, how sly he can be, and cruel.
I have never considered condemnation of the stilted mindset that indulges in stereotypical racism to be cruel. Nor do I think mockery is inappropriate in such circumstances.
I still have to say what I always say about stereo-types. They're not always wrong, bad, or illogical. There's a stereo-typical belief of insurance adjusters that any given person with 4 traffic tickets on their record is more likely to get into an accident than a similar person with no tickets. I wouldn't overturn them on that.
Similarly, health insurance adjusters will discriminate against you on the basis of age and gender. One could probably find a statistical correlation with race as well, but that is a societal taboo.
It's all about what you're trying to accomplish. If you're trying to motivate people to do smart things for their health, then it's better to just factor in things like smoking. If you're just trying to determine your honest costs, you might as well factor in everything.
I similarly see little problem with the store keeper who eyeballs the Hispanic kid who walks into his/her store dressed like a hoodlum. If he/she is trying to motivate that kid to be an upstanding citizen, he/she is failing. If he/she is merely looking after his/her own profitability, he/she is probably doing about the smartest thing he/she can do, because that kid is statistically more likely to rob them.
Granted. But in this case, making such a sweeping generalization that one particular race 'has never invented anything', is simply absurd.
Which begs the question:It seems that negroes have never invented anything. I've been looking everywhere for the information about their inventions and I couldn't find anything.
Did you look with your eyes shut?
Or do you just have half a brain?
Nor do I. I'm just saying that even though sometimes you can seem cruel, it is akin to the situation you approach, and thus your response.I have never considered condemnation of the stilted mindset that indulges in stereotypical racism to be cruel. Nor do I think mockery is inappropriate in such circumstances.
PS I had to spend about 5 minutes decoding your sentences, its harder than enigma! I've still got gaps in your meaning so I'm going to stop digging my hole.
I blame Baroness Thatcher - she made it possible for us to drop the idea that ornate sentences were also worth using in school.
Nowadays only Public School youngsters use language like that and us oldsters feel isolated, and are made to feel elitist for using the sonorous syllables of our youth.
Seriously, what was there to decode? You are a native English speaker. There were no long, unfamiliar words - the longest was stereotypical, and since that is what we are discussing it could hardly have been a problem. There was no complex grammar. I thought it was infinitely more intelligible than the sentence free, abbreviated, grammar-excluded monstrosities that 'grace' some posts on this forum. So, seriously, what was difficult about it?
June 21st, 2008, 04:03 AM
ROFL! Bravo! Linguistic subtlety at its most brilliant! What is this 1950?
I beg to differ. I suggest that if you were to seek locations where the educated congregate you might yet witness the unadulterated use of the English language.I blame Baroness Thatcher - she made it possible for us to drop the idea that ornate sentences were also worth using in school.
Nowadays only Public School youngsters use language like that and us oldsters feel isolated, and are made to feel elitist for using the sonorous syllables of our youth.
That aside, I take further issue with the statementEveryone knows that Nordic Death Metal is superior to jazz (lowercase j is deliberate), and to quote Jimmy Rabitte (The Commitments) "jazz is musical w*nk*ng". By the way, the use of the word "probably" doesn't get you off the hook! :-DOh.... and they invented Jazz, too. Probably the single one greatest musical invention ever.
Are we going to reject this entire thread merely because it's racist? Racism may be sociologically destructive, but that doesn't mean that some uses of it aren't epistemologically correct.
There's some mention on the Africa thread that African ideas on boolean logic might have been the spark that lead it to become formalized as a mathematical concept in Europe. That would sort of tie them into the computer age.
June 26th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Seems the Klan publication titled, "What Negros have achieved" is a bit short on information and citations, Siemowit. Perhaps you could do similar research in a book titled, "Hitler's guide to Black History."
By the way, Barack Obama invented hope.
Elijah McCoy
was an Afro-Canadian inventor and engineer and is known for his many US patents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_McCoy
this topic is just unvalid. I mean, in the last maybe 40 years they haven't done much. But in how many thaousand years, I'm sure they invented stuffs such as huts and weapons.
Anyways, my ScoootIIsh beer fellow made the remark some while ago.
We were all immigrated from 'Negro land' from bottom start.
We just had less sun for a while and grew in a different cultures.
Everyone is an inventor in many senses. We just don't all have effects on the world by inventing stuffs.
\\\ Why see things all dark...\\\ for example!
One things, "Negros" don't have back there in Africa.
Time, they don't have phreaking time and this is soo cool. They tell you let's meet in 1 hour and they meet 5 hours laters. Look how stressed and roboticised we've become with time. We should burn the guy who created wactches.
I wish I could wake up on Sunrise and go to work after a peaceful breakfast that won't kill me because I ate too fast... I might be late to work... work until I feel I've done enough.. and go to sleep on Sunset.
Well, you could always move there and live in a mud hut. Personally, I would be very pissed if I wasted half a day waiting for somebody to show up for a meeting.
But Harold, isn't that because we are culturally and economically attuned to punctuality. It doesn't mean our way is better, just different.
I didn't say it was better. Some people might like living in mud huts. I think clocks do help make our industrial society run, though.But Harold, isn't that because we are culturally and economically attuned to punctuality. It doesn't mean our way is better, just different.
Controlled fire. The wheel. Housing. Early civilization. The djembe, used by hippies the world over. Blues, rock and rap music. Off the top of my head.
It helps what? Helps us being more productive?I didn't say it was better. Some people might like living in mud huts. I think clocks do help make our industrial society run, though.But Harold, isn't that because we are culturally and economically attuned to punctuality. It doesn't mean our way is better, just different.
More money?
I mean, safety such as planes of other stuffs are coming with time.
I'm not turning hippie either.
But when I don't work, I just hide my watch and mobile and spend a lovely day without the stress of time passing too fast.
It doesn't take much imagination, really. Think about an assembly line where the workers show up at odd hours of the day. How about shopping at a store where you don't know when it's open. As for the inventor of the watch, the guy you want to burn would be John Harrison who invented the marine clock in 1730. Very important for determination of a ship's longitude.
I wish I will never work in an assembly line first.
Harold you are in the Matrix and too serious about it.
That's all I'm saying.
I agree with commun sens that time is necessary.
But...
Production - Numbers - $$$ -
I will never hope for someone to just work syncronized like a Robot.
Like in assemblys as you speak of. Biiipp go to brake biiiippp go to work biiiipppp go to eat biiiiipppp go to work... what a nice human life.
Well, Timel, as you seem to reject most of the achievements of civilization, I'll use an idea from your own signature line: keeping exact time helps pilots live in a world of perfection, rather than not at all.
Imagine a busy airport where the folks at the control tower only know that:
MA223 is due to depart when the sun is about hottest,
LO141 should arrive when the shadows get a bit longer,
....... etc etc .........
AF119 will be here by the time the cock crows.
(not to mention that planes tend to be built on the very assembly lines you loathe).
.read previous posts
I mean, safety such as planes of other stuffs are coming with time.
I'm not turning hippie either.
But when I don't work, I just hide my watch and mobile and spend a lovely day without the stress of time passing too fast
Time1, i live in africa. You'll get fired from your job very quickly if you show up four hours late. I don't know where you got your information. As for mud huts... I saw some of those at a zulu tourist place about fifteen years ago. Only mud huts i've seen. Lots of shacks in poverty-stricken areas, but no mud huts.
One of my fellow buddys went to Tanzania.
Time wise it was a described.
And Huts was more a joke I guess. I sounded funny actualy!
TimeL
Aaah, tanzania. We refer to people who are habitually late as 'living on tanzanian time'. I've met people from various parts of africa who are all ok in this regard, but your friend's right: tanzanians do have a serious problem with time.
Yeah. It's important to remember that you can't glob all of Afrika into one group. Some countries like Botswana are actually very well run places you might not mind living. Sudan, Somalia, and Nigeria on the other hand..... not so much.
It helps what? Helps us being more productive?I didn't say it was better. Some people might like living in mud huts. I think clocks do help make our industrial society run, though.But Harold, isn't that because we are culturally and economically attuned to punctuality. It doesn't mean our way is better, just different.
More money?
I mean, safety such as planes of other stuffs are coming with time.
I'm not turning hippie either.
But when I don't work, I just hide my watch and mobile and spend a lovely day without the stress of time passing too fast.
The basis of all millitary victory or defeat in the modern world is productivity. (Except against insurgencies, which depend on having skillful leaders, unlike Donald Rumsfeld)
If you want to be pushed around for the rest of your life, go ahead and let your factories wither and die. We live in a technological era where it is absolutely impossible to win a war if you can't manufacture your own guns, tanks, and helicopters. (Or at least rockets to kill the other guy's tanks/helicopters/etc)
And if you want nukes, so you don't have to fight at all, then you're even more in need of some level of industrialization, because they're not easy to make.
January 4th, 2009, 02:35 PM
Do you think slaves had time to invent anything other than a plan to survive during slavery? In the US and Europe, during the Industrial Revolution slavery was still in place.
Why would they need to? White men were willing to do it all for shiny white and yellow rocks and sometimes for pieces of paper or the teeth and horn of dead animals. They built cities instead, like New York.
January 14th, 2009, 11:38 AM
I doubt the patent office would have taken a slave's application very seriously. So, basically, the only way a slave could get their new idea/invention out of their brain and into the real world would be to tell their master about it. (Who would probably claim credit.)Do you think slaves had time to invent anything other than a plan to survive during slavery? In the US and Europe, during the Industrial Revolution slavery was still in place.
It would be really funny if it turned out that Eli Whitney didn't really invent the cotton gin, wouldn't it?
<Story Telling Mode>
I mean, think about it: who would have more reason to want to invent a thing like that, or dream it up than some guy who's having to pick seeds out of a ball of cotton all day long, and likely to be whipped if he misses just one.
So then one day this Harvard Grad is looking into the matter on your plantation.... and you know.... you're thinking maybe you might earn some points with the boss if you add some input.... and a few years later you realize he just made millions off of it. .... and you're still a slave.
That would be so ironic.
</Story Telling Mode>
stereotypes are great timesaver. *claps....once*
A lot of African American individuals
were not given credit for their inventions.
American textbooks
are called "egocentric"
meaning they tend to emphasize
the achievements of individuals
with a particular nationality (their own)
What sources did you attempt to look at?
There are thousands of inventions
they've created
and probably thousands more
they, the human population, has yet to create
Look at Kobe Bryant & LeBron James & Michael Jordan...
can one not say they have "invented"
moves unknown and unheard of
in the highest league of basketball?
Yeah. Though he wasn't black, Nikola Tesla is a wonderful example of a guy who gets the shaft in a lot of technology history books, because he wasn't of American origin.
Edison, on the other hand, gets credit for just about anything you could ever give a guy credit for. Ben Franklin is all but considered to have discovered electricity single handedly.
I wonder if other nations are that ego centric too?
It's really tough on the Belgians.
It's really tough on the Belgians.
This is the false logic that allows REAL criminals to take advantage of REAL IGNORANCE
get it... false logic = real ignorance
you might be wise to look after your store, but you would be wiser to do so constantly.
Prejudices are wrong because
A: What you think about someone effects how you interact with them
B: How you interact with someone effects their behavior
Your thoughts about people influence their behavior. Statistics are an objective view, but when it comes down to living in the ghetto, not that I know from experience, but it is obvious that like all social atmospheres there is pressure to fall into suit. The social consciousness of a group influences the individuals in the group. It is easy to also say "The social consciousness of a group is determined by the members of a group" but this is seperating the group from it's external influences. Individuals in a group are also members of various groups, the group is a part of a much larger community, and ultimately the social consciousness is effected by everyone in the world to some degree.
Be curious about people and their differences, some are simply not aware of any other way to act and so they fit into comfortable stereotypes. If you are at the same level as them, then you should learn before you speak, but if you are above that mindset then you should keep a constant eye open to rid the world of it.
This is a good point, but the time it might save you by using them will be spent by other to rid the world of such barriers.
Sociology is like physics in some ways. You have a theoretical circumstance, a mass of particles or people all influencing each other. All you can use are statistics to weigh possibilities, and there is no time, no forward and no backward.
The key to it all is NO TIME! When it comes to the evolution of society, there is no such thing as time, you can save yourself time, but someone else will displace you. What does this have to do with you and your choices? You are a stereotype too, we are all influenced by stereotypes, but we also change stereotypes being different than people expect. A black "hood" looking kid that doesn't steal or do drugs and is a sophisticated pacifist changes stereotypes, but he is more likely to be dragged down by stereotypes the way we use them. A white kid who dresses like a morman who is very polite and steals from people after giving long talks about jesus, doesn't change stereotypes, he USES them to save time and take advantage of peoples ignorance.
There is your time saver, you are supporting con artists, you are standing up for oppression in all it's forms. Saving yourself the time it would take to think for yourself.
Some forums have a system of Reputation Points, where you can receive points (rep) for a post you think is especially good. If we had such a system I would definitely be awarding rep for marcusclayman's last post. Instead I'll just have to say, "Here, here."
March 22nd, 2009, 04:46 AM
Ha ha ha - The spear, the knife, the dwelling place, everything man made has it's origins in africa prior to the migration.
Of more recent times, the native african, has been held under the thumb, his country has been raped by pretty much all the european powers, denied education hardly surprising they weren't first to land on the moon.
I think you have done nothing more than show you are a racist of the worst kind.
I have never considered condemnation of the stilted mindset that indulges in stereotypical racism to be cruel. Nor do I think mockery is inappropriate in such circumstances.
Ophiolite doesn't find it cruel for the stubborn minded to be steroype racist... And he thinks its appropriate to throw a joke in those circumstances...
I've obviously got to be over 50 to understand that...
Yeah, I think it comes with experience.I've obviously got to be over 50 to understand that...
April 6th, 2009, 11:47 PM
My personal favorite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver
Sincerely,
William McCormick
April 7th, 2009, 12:39 AM
What have you invented, Semiwit?
Do you have to stoop to name calling? I would not give a bigot if he is a bigot the benefit of taking me down a notch to attack him. Just looking out for you.
Black individuals need no defense. If you are really brave when you see a black person under attack, just wake the people up that are attacking them. You will see they are not really bad people, just asleep looking for someone to blame, for their failed nation.
I was in a Burger King many years ago. And two black guys, were having some fun with the white girl at the counter. The place was crowded everyone was going to be late or have to force down their lunch as it was. So they see these two lone black guys in the place and figure this is the problem. Not the law makers.
It started with a few snide remarks. Then two more people joined in. I am not an amazingly brave person, so I figured what the heck lets just escalate this thing to where it is going. I said really loud, with a southern hick kind of tone. "Well Hell Lets take them out back and shoot them" Well you could have heard a pin drop in there. Ha-ha. One women put here head down and said something like, "no no this is wrong". The other guys realized that it was not really themselves acting like that.
My point is I cannot defend black people, because they do not need a defense because they are black. But I can show white people where they are going. But I cannot battle a bigot. He is sick. Name calling does not work on sick people.
Those that claim racism, or attack racists are often racists themselves. What a minority needs is an up and coming country, because in a dying nation, the minority loses, by all historical information we have. It is not racism that leads to a Holocaust. It is people in panic, clawing for more. Minorities lose in that climate in the end.
So if you are defending minorities, and not calling for a total recall of the failed law makers, you are a hypocrite by all historical information. Because racism is a result/reaction, not an action.
Those that scream racism are hiding and profiting from a failed nation. Like Al Sharpton, Jessy Jackson. The KKK.
Our President is being setup to take a fall. Much like Jewish people in Germany were setup to take a fall, do things for certain interest groups, and create hatred amongst Germans.
Jews from Russia, when they got into the courts were acting like an official in Russia would, not as a German would.
This served the purpose of some groups that wanted trouble between Jews and Germans. After a few, Jewish judges ignorant to German ways, made poor rulings not in the spirit of the old world German town. It angered a lot of Germans. From there is was all down hill.
To be honest many Germans liked the hard court system, created by the Russian, rather uncaring judicial methods. But in reality the Germans that liked the hard court system, were not good Germans in the spirit of old Germany. They wanted their share even if Jewish judges were the only way to get it.
When things got worse things like that made it easy to send the Jews during a time of war and poverty to the workhouses and eventually the gas chambers and ovens.
The Jews were also making laws and rules for the community. In the spirit of their birth nation. They saw the Germans with so much. And figured why not share. The truth was the average German was already pushed to the limit, and losing what he had. It really became a thing where the Jews wanted what the Germans had worked for. So it is never racism. Ever. Racism is the alarm clock. And we are really late.
Vernon Jones would be in agreement with me. He thought many of his own people were bigots.
Sincerely,
William McCormick
This is a fundamental problem in philosophy. Often times the best strategy for an individual is not the best strategy for a society.This is the false logic that allows REAL criminals to take advantage of REAL IGNORANCE
get it... false logic = real ignorance
you might be wise to look after your store, but you would be wiser to do so constantly.
Prejudices are wrong because
A: What you think about someone effects how you interact with them
B: How you interact with someone effects their behavior
Your thoughts about people influence their behavior. Statistics are an objective view, but when it comes down to living in the ghetto, not that I know from experience, but it is obvious that like all social atmospheres there is pressure to fall into suit. The social consciousness of a group influences the individuals in the group. It is easy to also say "The social consciousness of a group is determined by the members of a group" but this is seperating the group from it's external influences. Individuals in a group are also members of various groups, the group is a part of a much larger community, and ultimately the social consciousness is effected by everyone in the world to some degree.
Be curious about people and their differences, some are simply not aware of any other way to act and so they fit into comfortable stereotypes. If you are at the same level as them, then you should learn before you speak, but if you are above that mindset then you should keep a constant eye open to rid the world of it.
The single shop keeper, looking only at their own store, and only at their own lifetime, will save themselves a lot of grief by using stereo types. The random probability of any given white kid stealing vs. the random probability of any given hispanic kid stealing are very different probabilities. Over time, the odds will bear out.
However.... on the societal level.... if all the shop keepers treat all the hispanic kids who enter their shops like criminals, then a lot of those hispanic kids are going to become disenfranchised. What do they have to gain by obeying the law if they're going to get treated like criminals either way?
The trick is to convince all those shop keepers to cooperate with each other, and look at things the way they will play out on a collective level instead of a personal level. That's a big trick.
Conversely: If Mexicans worked really really hard at being exceptionally honest, to the point where they were stealing less on average than the white people around them, that stereo type would die. (And probably be replaced with a positive stereo type) Any mexican who complains about the inability of store keepers to cooperate for the common good, is a tea pot calling the kettle black.
In reality the assertion that "white shopkeepers are always going to treat me like a criminal" is just as much a stereo type as the assertion that "I need to watch those mexican kids in my store more closely than white kids." It assumes that every shop keeper is alike.
there you have it, well said kojax
Yeah that is the motto which my parents live by. They are mexican and have their own sense of time. I get onto them from time to time about this and they reply(jokingly) that i have been americanised.
Siemowit, you are too haughty to say this.
Of cause they made much fewer inventions in the modern history.
But didn't they make great inventions in the ancient time?
You should respect them instead of saying these words.
July 26th, 2009, 12:24 PM
I think this is the core of racism. It's really cultural-ism, wanting everybody to be on the same set of rules. And... the irony is..... everyone *should* be on the same set of rules. You can't have different sets of laws governing the same city, town, or state, because people will take advantage of that.Yeah that is the motto which my parents live by. They are mexican and have their own sense of time. I get onto them from time to time about this and they reply(jokingly) that i have been americanised.
I totally object to genetic racism, but I do not believe that there is a "right" to retain one's cultural values when crossing national borders. There can't be any such right, because too much of the rules we live by are cultural instead of legal. The only alternative to a reasonable level of cultural homogeneity would be for official laws to take over the place of culture in defining the specifics of how we live and interact with each other. I hope nobody wants that.
Here's a fine example of what I mean. You can't have two different property ethics in the same legal system. People will choose to follow whichever rule favors them and it just leads to anarchy and ambiguity. (Ambiguous laws can be a very dangerous thing.)
In a situation like this, the smaller group is effectively saying: "Change to our way of doing things, or endure anarchy." The larger group is effectively coming back and saying: "No. This is our country, and we don't want to change. How about you change instead?"
By trying to force an unwanted cultural change, the smaller group is committing an act of aggression against the larger group and is therefore in the wrong here, but it's really hard to come up with a good self-defensive strategy that doesn't involve some kind of group punishment or bigotry. That's a challenge I think people should be coming up with solutions for, instead of just criticizing the status quo.
Automatic traffic signals, leading to traffic lights, a type of gas mask, blood banks, first to perform open heart surgery, joint first to the north pole...
I know they're not all inventions per se, but even so.
Not to mention jazz, blues and ska.
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