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    A group that were established in the year 1090 AD who's name was THE HASHASHEEN, which means either the people of Hasan or the users of Hasheesh (Cannibas Extract), They were assassins who either killed for an appropriate wage or killed to establish they're state and increase they'e political power. They're political power increased so much that even Saladin did'nt dare to invade them. During the Crusades they created fear in both the Muslim and Christian Hearts. They were known to demand things from various lords and if the lords did not oblige, they would tell him which day he'll die and at what time, and they did oblige.
    They're weapons of choice were poisoned daggers and/or bows, and they always killed in public to increase fear of them.
    The Islamic States were so frustrated with them and their semi-atheist Ideas (they're slogan was 'Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted') that they declared war on them and almost decimated them at the Year 1275 AD...Although it is said that they still exist to this day.
    If you read to this point there is a rewarding Twist: The Cult existed in two places at that time; IRAN AND SYRIA


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    .....an interesting subject. My impression was that they were defeated not by Islamic armies but by the Mongols so I just looked it up and my source agreed. Of course, by then the Mongols might have converted to Islam, but I doubt it. It was not their thing to convert to the religion of those they conquered except that they did it in India. After only a century in China, they were driven back out because they did not convert and thus became a hated enemy over the Chinese.

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    yes they were devestated by the mongols, the mongols destroyed their castles and theyre towns, but alot of the people survived, they escaped to eygpt and damascus...there they continued theyre rituals, then the arab kings got fed up and finished them off etc.
    my real motivation on this, is to show how a form of aetheisim (a popular one too) existed in such a religeous area.
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    Quote Originally Posted by BioHazard
    my real motivation on this, is to show how a form of aetheisim (a popular one too) existed in such a religeous area.
    Atheism? I wouldn't quite call it that. I read up on this a little bit and found out they were originally a sect of Shia Islam beginning in 1090 under Hassan-i Sabbah. It was in 1161 that Hasan II declared that a new millennium had started, and that his followers were freed from the Sharia, thereby also Islam. He allowed all exesses, and had his followers turn their backs on Mecca while praying. Later on they went back under Sharia law in the early 13th century under Jalal ad-Din. But even under Hassan II I don't think they would be called atheists. I don't think an atheist prays, even with his back to Mecca.

    Anyway, it was interesting reading about this group. A muslim leader who holes up in the mountains and trains his followers to commit suicide attacks. Hmm, does that remind you of anybody?

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    they did not commit suicide attacks, most of them escaped after a kill, and they prefered to be killed by their enemies than to commit suicide.

    Most of the talk about giving their backs to mecca was/is propaganda from the arab leaders, it was meant to let people hate them as it was/is a direct insult to islam.
    Also they claimed that the hashasheen had sex with their daughters, aunts, uncles, brothers etc. which is thought to be propaganda too.
    History is arguable I know.

    Thing is after hasan II declared that judgement day (He did Not say millenia, arabs dont really believe in those) has passed and they were in heaven, in heaven muslims dont have to pray.
    plus things just got more and more liberated.
    Till the Jalal ad-Din, his reign lasted 11 years.
    Then after him came two rulers who brought back the semi-aetheist ideas and also brought the mongols.
    "When man contemplates his future death, it is as if, by thinking of it, he renders it immediate. His defence is to deny it. He cannot deny that his body will die and rot - the evidence is too strong for that; so he solves the problem by the invention of the immortal soul" Desmond Morris
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    It would seem that the Assasins had brought up a sort of secular belief system even if it might not have been atheistic. I was unaware of that. In my reading of the various civilizations, I notice that at their peak of prosperity, they develop secular-type ideologies. In India, Buddhism was an example. In China as well. We developed Secular Humanism. And the Greek-Roman system had the Hellenic Age. We have our Global Community of Nations. There are so much phenomenon that repeats itself in every civilization that it is no wonder there is a history of viewing them as having a life cycle and as being a sort of organism.

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